# Weekly Rollup #3 *For the week ending February 24th* By [Modular Media 🧱🎬](https://paragraph.com/@modularmedia) · 2023-02-28 weekly rollup --- Welcome to Modular Media, a weekly newsletter covering news, updates, educational content, and more within the modular ecosystem. Subscribe to get issues sent directly to your email every Tuesday, and also, make sure to follow us on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/modularmedia_) for daily modular updates! You can check out our previous newsletter issue [here](https://paragraph.xyz/@modularmedia/weekly-rollup-2). 📣 News and Announcements ========================= Coinbase Announces Base ----------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1484586799921909764/A9yYenz3_normal.png)](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [Coinbase](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [@coinbase](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1628760201254903809) 1/ ![🔵](https://twemoji.maxcdn.com/v/14.0.2/72x72/1f535.png) We’re excited to announce [@BuildOnBase](https://twitter.com/BuildOnBase). Base is an Ethereum L2 that offers a secure, low-cost, developer-friendly way for anyone, anywhere, to build decentralized apps. Our goal with Base is to make onchain the next online and onboard 1B+ users into the cryptoeconomy. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1628752120533995520/pu/img/Wdfg_7Hx9C8POWX1.jpg) [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 11.6K](https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1628760201254903809)[ 9:14 AM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1628760201254903809) Last week, Coinbase announced the testnet launch of Base, an Ethereum L2 built using the OP Stack, which is a set of software tools used to build within the Optimism ecosystem. Not only is this the first publicly traded company to launch its own blockchain, but this announcement also helps validate the rollup thesis - we now have the biggest company in the entire space building its own L2 network! Just as Coinbase made it easy for users to buy crypto, they now want to make it seamless for their customers to get on-chain and take advantage of all the cool DeFi protocols. Their goal is to take people from a blockchain-centric focus, to a dapp-centric one. The users shouldn’t have to know which chain they're on, or what native gas token to use, they should just worry about whether or not they want to use the dapp. Here are some of the features Base will have to offer: * **Ethereum Security:** As mentioned earlier, Base is built using Optimism’s OP Stack, keeping them within the Ethereum ecosystem . * **Empowered by Coinbase:** Base will be completely open and permissionless, allowing any team to leverage the platform’s 100M+ customer base, along with their products and tools, such as Coinbase Wallet. * **Big features, small fees:** “full EVM equivalence at a fraction of the cost” * **Open source**: building everything open source On top of all this, Base will not have its own native gas token, instead, it’ll be using ETH. According to the team, they’re building Base on the OP Stack, “with the vision of creating a standard, modular, rollup agnostic [Superchain](http://optimism.io/superchain) powered by Optimism.”. Optimism’s Superchain aims to become a unified network, or “mesh”, of multiple interoperable L2 networks, all built using the OP Stack and all working together. In the coming weeks, the Base team will be sharing their road to mainnet, so make sure to follow them on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/BuildOnBase) if you want to stay in the loop. * * * Introducing Rollkit ------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1404854187721203715/zZp1s7c3_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg) [Celestia](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg) [@CelestiaOrg](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1628086046130049024) Introducing Rollkit, a modular framework for rollups. Neutral and independent from Celestia, Rollkit serves as a community-led public good that empowers developers with the freedom to deploy throughout the modular stack and accelerate innovation. [ ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1628085844170129409/w5vAoUiE?format=jpg&name=600x600) blog.celestia.org Introducing Rollkit: a modular rollup framework ----------------------------------------------- Neutral and independent from Celestia, Rollkit serves as a community-led public good that empowers developers with the freedom to deploy throughout the modular stack and accelerate innovation. ](https://t.co/C6vqOjeCdL) [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 225](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1628086046130049024)[ 12:35 PM • Feb 21, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1628086046130049024) Last week, the Celestia team introduced Rollkit, a modular rollup framework that enables developers to pick and choose between different features in order to build their own custom rollup. Rollkit (previously Rollmint) has been in development by the Celestia team since 2021 but has now been introduced as its own neutral project, independent from Celestia. Think of the Cosmos stack, which consists of the Tendermint consensus engine, an app layer, and ABCI, which is a tool used to convert dapps written in different programming languages into one that is compatible with Tendermint. Rollkit replaces Tendermint. Specifically, Rollkit is a sequencer node that is used to publish data to Celestia. So the rollups built with Rollkit will take care of their execution, and then use the rollkit sequencer to communicate with the DA layer. And since Rollkit and Celestia are independent from one another, you can tell this sequencer node which DA layer to connect to, whether you want that to be Celestia or a different solution. With Rollkit, developers will have the power to choose and switch between different execution environments, sequencers, proof schemes, and rollup types.  ![](https://storage.googleapis.com/papyrus_images/05256e1390cce77fab9130b8c27263e3.jpg) Image [Source](https://blog.celestia.org/introducing-rollkit-a-modular-rollup-framework/) It’s important to note however that not all of these features have been added yet. According to the team, “Rollkit is in an early stage of development and many features remain to be built to reach this vision. In its [current state](https://rollkit.dev/docs/rollkit-stack/), Rollkit rollups are [sovereign rollups](https://blog.celestia.org/sovereign-rollup-chains/) with single sequencers, with support for a pessimistic mode and a [work-in-progress optimistic](https://github.com/rollkit/rollkit/blob/manav/state_fraud_proofs_adr/docs/lazy-adr/adr-009-state-fraud-proofs.md) mode.” For anyone wanting to see a PoC, @dferrersan, a Celestia engineer recently ran a sovereign rollup that uses the FuelVM as an execution environment by leveraging Rollkit. You can read all about that [here](https://mobile.twitter.com/dferrersan/status/1628791919429165059). You can also check out the full article to learn more about Rollkit, and for any developers interested in experimenting today, you can start building with Rollkit on Celestia’s Mocha testnet. * * * Eclipse x Polygon: Introducing Polygon SVM ------------------------------------------ [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1626643141519642625/WLqoO9pu_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND) [Eclipse (@ ETHDENVER)](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND) [@EclipseFND](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND/status/1628849328726118402) Eclipse & [@0xPolygon](https://twitter.com/0xPolygon) are launching Polygon SVM ![🎉](https://twemoji.maxcdn.com/v/14.0.2/72x72/1f389.png) A L2 blockchain capable of running all smart contracts and tooling compatible with Solana. dApps built for Solana can now easily migrate or go multichain to Polygon SVM [techcrunch.com/2023/02/23/pol…](https://t.co/AM3hxg4NNC) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FprV1KfaIAAuBWA.jpg) [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 525](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND/status/1628849328726118402)[ 3:08 PM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND/status/1628849328726118402) On February 23rd, Eclipse & Polygon announced Polygon SVM, an L2 blockchain that combines some of the strongest features from the Solana and Polygon networks. To recap, [Eclipse](https://www.eclipse.builders/) lets developers combine their favorite parts of different blockchains to create their own dedicated, custom rollup. So rather than having to build on top of a generalized rollup (dapps living together on the same chain), teams can instead have their own dedicated rollup. Eclipse enables builders to choose their preferred virtual machine (Ethereum VM or Solana VM), and preferred data availability layer (Celestia, Polygon Avail, Eigen DA), along with whatever other customizations they think are best for their specific rollup. This could be using the chain’s own native gas token, adding privacy features, MEV options, and more. _So what is Polygon SVM?_ Here’s a breakdown of the different modular components within this Polygon SVM stack: * **Settlement Layer:** Eclipse * **DA Layer:** Polygon Avail * **Execution Layer:** Teams can build their own execution environment on top of Polygon SVM, using Solana’s high throughput virtual machine Polygon SVM combines Solana’s [Sealevel](https://nitro-svm.gitbook.io/documentation/introduction/why-solana-vm/building-on-sealevel-vm) virtual machine, with [Polygon Avail](https://polygon.technology/blog/introducing-avail-by-polygon-a-robust-general-purpose-scalable-data-availability-layer-98bc9814c048), Polygon’s own data availability solution. Developers will be able to build their own custom rollup on top of Polygon SVM, allowing them to remain within the Polygon ecosystem (access to EVM tools & wallets, Polygon users, dapps, etc.), while leveraging the high throughput of Solana’s VM. Specifically, these rollups will use the Sealevel VM to execute transactions, then post the blocks of data to Polygon Avail. Of course, Eclipse remains as the settlement layer, responsible for bridging and passing proofs that are received from the execution layer. As of today, Eclipse has ten partnered projects that will be announcing their launch over the next several weeks. Polygon SVM was just the first of ten to be announced and is expected to launch on testnet during Q1, with mainnet release expected for this upcoming summer.  Make sure to follow Eclipse on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND) to stay up to date with all their future announcements. * * * Arbitrum Surpasses Ethereum Mainnet in Transactions Processed ------------------------------------------------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1490751860461953029/046qIxwT_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/arbitrum) [Arbitrum (💙,🧡)](https://twitter.com/arbitrum) [@arbitrum](https://twitter.com/arbitrum) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/arbitrum/status/1628410398058708992) For the first time ever, Arbitrum One processed more transactions than Ethereum This is a huge milestone achieved by our team and Arbinauts. We've come a long way as a community and we're grateful to have you along with us! Our mission to scale Ethereum continues! ![💙](https://twemoji.maxcdn.com/v/14.0.2/72x72/1f499.png)![🧡](https://twemoji.maxcdn.com/v/14.0.2/72x72/1f9e1.png) ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FplGQmjWIAIVyNX.jpg) [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 5,931](https://twitter.com/arbitrum/status/1628410398058708992)[ 10:04 AM • Feb 22, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/arbitrum/status/1628410398058708992) It was a huge week for the Arbitrum community, as for the first time ever, the Arbitrum network processed more transactions than Ethereum mainnet, becoming the first rollup to accomplish this feat.  On February 21st, Arbitrum processed slightly over 1.1M transactions within that 24-hour span, which was about 20,000 more than Ethereum mainnet. ![](https://storage.googleapis.com/papyrus_images/fc2fd56f21f7b445f7716daab57b5d75.jpg) [Source](https://arbiscan.io/chart/tx)  Aside from processed transactions, Arbitrum also saw a rise in the number of active addresses, a rise in bridged ETH, along with an increase in TVL throughout the year.  Many believe this rise in activity is due to the network’s upcoming airdrop, however, with popular dapps like Gains (GMX), along with strong commmuntites like that of TreasureDAO, one could make the assumption that a lot of this growth has been organic.  Arbitrum is an L2 optimistic rollup deployed on top of Ethereum. Projects & dapps can deploy on top of Arbitrum to take advantage of high speeds and lower fees, while still being able to benefit from Ethereum security. * * * More News & Updates ------------------- * [Attention developers](https://twitter.com/ArbitrumDevs/status/1628465540481048576), Arbitrum just released a new version of their SDK (3.1.0) * [Fuel Labs will be co-hosting](https://twitter.com/fuellabs_/status/1628407933984976898) a hackathon from March 10-29, including $125K in prizes * [Check out Fuel Labs’ latest edition](https://twitter.com/fuellabs_/status/1627715613690052608) of “Inside Fuel”, an article series that takes you through some of the biggest, recent developments within the Fuel ecosystem * [The BitDAO community just passed a proposal](https://twitter.com/BitDAO_Official/status/1627700359530708992) to provide funding to Mantle, to help them continue to develop their network over the following months * [Risc Zero recently released](https://twitter.com/RiscZero/status/1628046965324873728) a repo and a whitepaper highlighting details of their proof system. You can check out the details about that in this thread. * [Ethereum’s KZG](https://twitter.com/DCbuild3r/status/1628381302658326529) Summoning Ceremony surpassed 50K contributions * [Saga announces](https://twitter.com/Sagaxyz__/status/1628779560408842241) a strategic partnership with Onenet, a video game distribution & showcase platform * [Here’s an in-depth thread](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1628810684074192896) going over Celestia, the first modular network * EigenLayer, a protocol that is re-distributing Ethereum security, [just released](https://twitter.com/eigenlayer/status/1627887300448485376) the first public version of their whitepaper - we’ll have a summary about this done for you soon! * Arkham, a data & insights platform, [officially integrates the Polygon network](https://twitter.com/0xPolygon/status/1627731011177181184) * [Timeswap launches v2](https://twitter.com/TimeswapLabs/status/1627688667954446336) on Polygon mainnet - [here](https://twitter.com/TimeswapLabs/status/1627688673314742273) is what this new version adds. * Looks like [Compound v3 is coming to Polygon](https://twitter.com/Luyaoyuan1/status/1626806831275446272) mainnet * [Polygon zkEVM testnet upgrade](https://twitter.com/0xPolygonZK/status/1629154557220487169) is coming next week, featuring support for Etherscan, and FFLONK (universal trusted setup) * [Next week](https://twitter.com/StarkWareLtd/status/1628380338182291458), StarkNet will upgrade StarkNet Goerli to SHARP 4.0 * [Here’s an article](https://twitter.com/CptArtur/status/1628342495318020098) covering android app development for StarkWare, developed by the Crypto Mansion team, who build tools for the StarNet community * [A StarkNet builder](https://twitter.com/dimahledba/status/1627640192554213376) just released a PoC of a substrate based StarkNet sequencer * [zkSync announces](https://twitter.com/zksync/status/1628429441725767680) collaboration with Sygnum Bank, a crypto-native regulated bank * [Check out the details](https://twitter.com/zksync/status/1626710343044198400) for zkSyncs upcoming hackathon, featuring a $25K prize pool - running from now until March 19th * [Check out the Scroll team's latest](https://twitter.com/Scroll_ZKP/status/1629284717001588742) “Weekly Update” thread, this week featuring an Aave deployment * * * 📚 Discussions and Education ============================ Coinbase Rollup Good or Bad? ---------------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1554130973935030274/wHWuxuTT_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/lightclients) [ً](https://twitter.com/lightclients) [@lightclients](https://twitter.com/lightclients) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/lightclients/status/1628788473799868416) This coinbase L2 play doesn't make much sense to me; it further fragments the ecosystem. Good bridges are hard, and now there is another destination to bridge to. UX is also hard. Now there is another option in wallet drop downs. I'd love to see more unification! [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 78](https://twitter.com/lightclients/status/1628788473799868416)[ 11:06 AM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/lightclients/status/1628788473799868416) Most people in the Ethereum community seem excited over the Coinbase announcement, but Ethereum developer @lightclients challenges the idea that Base is good for the ecosystem. Their main points are: * A separate rollup means extra bridge and UX complexity * Bridges and UX are hard enough already * Why not just use Optimism mainnet? The points are reasonable, as no one will argue that bridges and UX are easy. If Coinbase simply used Optimism mainnet, these would be non-issues. Here’s what the OP Labs team thinks: * [There are good reasons](https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1628802274964250625?s=20) to run a separate rollup, citing common appchain arguments like custom gas and token economics. * Because Base is part of the [Superchain](https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1628791657209405443?s=20), [they will benefit from](https://twitter.com/liamihorne/status/1628791182498078722?s=20) unified bridge designs and mitigate bridge complexity. It also makes sense for Base to customize UX around their distribution channel and users - so this complexity is worth it. [Ryan Berckmans also weighs in](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758405216374784?s=20) with a comprehensive take on why Base makes sense and how we’ll solve the design challenges. He starts by emphasizing something we at Modular Media believe whole heartedly - one chain CANNOT do it all: [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1517698378259480577/OyjdGW3D_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans) [Ryan Berckmans - ryanb.eth🦇🔊](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans) [@ryanberckmans](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758413571416064) Everyone knows that we're living in a multichain world. A takeaway from the modular chain thesis is that no single chain, regardless of scalability tradeoffs, can hope to satisfy even a sliver of the growing global demand for blockspace. [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 20](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758413571416064)[ 9:07 AM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758413571416064) If you buy this notion, the conversation shifts to how we’ll solve the bridging and UX challenges (vs. whether we should try). He touches specifically on the bridging topic. In the [OP Twitter Space](https://twitter.com/optimismfnd/status/1629132788430430208?s=46&t=Sa-kQ8xUY_X1giqluqQhAA), Coinbase makes clear they will be progressively decentralizing the sequencer. But let’s assume they don’t. [Ryan explains](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758460476305410?s=20) why a centralized Base would still be valuable and capable of trust-minimized bridging to separate rollups like Optimism mainnet and even StarkNet - [using an NFT bridge example](https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1628758466050551809?s=20). Takeaway: Coinbase rollup good 👍 Question: Is this the start of a larger trend? 👀 [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1592980982260441090/IvmHt-TV_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [Nick White](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [@nickwh8te](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1628862615161307136) I 'member in 2018/19 when "enterprise blockchains" were hyped None got built and enterprise chains became a laughingstock, a symbol for failed blockchain use cases Modular blockchains might unironically bring them back [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 27](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1628862615161307136)[ 4:01 PM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1628862615161307136) * * * Did Cosmos Miss its Window? --------------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1623028953706557440/aiczcJho_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/pythianism) [Vance Spencer](https://twitter.com/pythianism) [@pythianism](https://twitter.com/pythianism) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/pythianism/status/1628785720495337473) Base is the start of the app-chain narrative, built on ethereum tbh increasingly seems like cosmos has missed its window still doesn't even have stablecoins [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 554](https://twitter.com/pythianism/status/1628785720495337473)[ 10:55 AM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/pythianism/status/1628785720495337473) Everyone knows that Cosmos pioneered the appchain narrative. The question is - did Ethereum hijack it? Will all appchains be built as Ethereum rollups? [Vance from Framework Ventures](https://twitter.com/pythianism) thinks so, but others disagree. Let’s review different takes. [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1484294455402319876/X4dtFe8f_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/0xshake) [shakeshack.ibc](https://twitter.com/0xshake) [@0xshake](https://twitter.com/0xshake) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/0xshake/status/1629090536786214913) There’s some wild speculation that Eth L2s are now eating the app chain thesis. This view confuses scaling for innovation. The design space for Eth L2s is limited as whereas the design space for app chains is infinite. App chains == Innovation. Eth L2s == scaling. [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1484586799921909764/A9yYenz3_normal.png)](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [Coinbase](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [@coinbase](https://twitter.com/coinbase) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1628760201254903809) 1/ ![🔵](https://twemoji.maxcdn.com/v/14.0.2/72x72/1f535.png) We’re excited to announce [@BuildOnBase](https://twitter.com/BuildOnBase). Base is an Ethereum L2 that offers a secure, low-cost, developer-friendly way for anyone, anywhere, to build decentralized apps. Our goal with Base is to make onchain the next online and onboard 1B+ users into the cryptoeconomy. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1628752120533995520/pu/img/Wdfg_7Hx9C8POWX1.jpg) [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 50](https://twitter.com/0xshake/status/1629090536786214913)[ 7:07 AM • Feb 24, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/0xshake/status/1629090536786214913) @0xshake is part of Polymer Labs, pioneering ZK-IBC for Cosmos appchains, so it’s unsurprising that they disagree with the idea of Ethereum dominance. Their meme is appchains = innovation, L2s = scaling. If that’s the case, it certainly doesn’t sound like Ethereum L2s will eat everything. We need innovation! This meme might not be all that accurate, though. Innovation is possible at L2. For example L2s can use different execution environments - [Toghrul from Scroll explains](https://twitter.com/toghrulmaharram/status/1629173645133201411?s=20) how this works. But does @0xshake have a point? Are there limitations to L2 innovation? Yes. As usual, it’s a spectrum. And there are even points along that spectrum in between Ethereum L2s and Cosmos L1s: * Ethereum L2s * Sovereign rollups on Celestia * Middleware on EigenLayer * Cosmos L1s [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1582495998911324162/PKpTSzGs_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca) [Dougie DeLuca](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca) [@DougieDeLuca](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca/status/1628818163470065667) app-chains will be the narrative everywhere, Cosmos is just the first (and thus far the best) to do it. across Celestia, Ethereum, Cosmos, EigenLayer, etc. they'll be widespread and likely highly interconnected. Ethereum will likely remain dominant but not the only player. [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 21](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca/status/1628818163470065667)[ 1:04 PM • Feb 23, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/DougieDeLuca/status/1628818163470065667) Which designs will win the majority of use cases? TBD (sorry). * * * Can ZK Provers Keep Up? ----------------------- [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1626708518698127361/EmBuqBoT_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko) [toly 🇺🇸](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko) [@aeyakovenko](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629195630055948289) ZK L2s will not be scalability solutions. Real time loads have long sequential state dependencies. For a ZKP to keep up with the tip of the chain prover time + validation time has to be lower than real time execution. This can only be true for loads that are intermittent. Real… [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 369](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629195630055948289)[ 2:04 PM • Feb 24, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629195630055948289) Anatoly expresses skepticism over ZK L2s, saying they aren’t performant enough to be scalability solutions. What does he mean? Where is this coming from? [Solana’s goal](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1596586283182469120?s=46&t=Sa-kQ8xUY_X1giqluqQhAA) is to synchronize global state at the speed of light, and Anatoly maps everything to that goal. [His argument is](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629197126873022465?s=20) that it’s impossible for a ZK prover to be as fast as real-time execution, and therefore it’ll always lag behind chain finality and [be unhelpful](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629334075206156289?s=20). [Let's assume he is technically right](https://twitter.com/aeyakovenko/status/1629255040086212608?s=20). [Practically, he’s still definitely wrong](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1629259086985326593?s=20). The ZK gigabrains are on the same page and make this clear: * [Preston from Sovereign Labs](https://twitter.com/prestonevans__/status/1629267279476322307?s=20) * [Alex from zkSync](https://twitter.com/gluk64/status/1629518773903572993?s=20) * [Polynya](https://twitter.com/apolynya/status/1629320455139250177?s=20) Basically, it doesn’t matter if one ZK prover lags behind execution. You can solve the problem by having many ZK rollups running in parallel. And ZK provers might have even more tricks up their sleeves 🤯 [![User Avatar](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1592980982260441090/IvmHt-TV_normal.jpg)](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [Nick White](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [@nickwh8te](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) [![Twitter Logo](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/logo.png)](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1629267956101177345) Aha, so you can prove faster than execution. Prove each state transition in parallel and then recurse them up? [![Like Icon](https://paragraph.xyz/editor/twitter/heart.png) 7](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1629267956101177345)[ 6:52 PM • Feb 24, 2023 ](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te/status/1629267956101177345) * * * More Discussions & Education ---------------------------- * [OP Labs hosts](https://twitter.com/optimismFND/status/1629132788430430208?s=20) a Twitter Space discussion about building Base on the OP Stack with [@jessepollak](https://twitter.com/jessepollak) * [@kelvinfitcher explains](https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1628791657209405443?s=20) Optimism’s vision for the Superchain * [@jessepollak clarifies](https://twitter.com/jessepollak/status/1629122338443624448?s=20) that Base will let users pay fees in whatever token they want * [@jon\_charb writes](https://twitter.com/jon_charb/status/1627302900899672064?s=20) an article outlining better ways to think about blockchain profitability * [Bankless releases](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6oDgoS7rsYaUkqBZ2J6zHz?si=6geaRcqhQl2ETCmiPW2iyQ) a podcast episode with [@job\_charb](https://twitter.com/jon_charb), discussing his article 👆 * [@yezhang shares](https://twitter.com/yezhang1998/status/1627713360967139329?s=20) lessons learned from building the Scroll zkEVM * [@zooko shares](https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1627736666260533250?s=20) his thoughts on Scroll’s zkEVM work 👆 * [@jiayaoqi illustrates](https://twitter.com/jiayaoqi/status/1629055441052508160?s=20) the past few years of building AltLayer and scaling blockchains * [AltLayer hosts](https://twitter.com/alt_layer/status/1627552060550914049?s=20) a discussion about all things Layer 2 with [@dberenzon](https://twitter.com/dberenzon) * [@Cryptocito hosts](https://twitter.com/Cryptocito/status/1627621104956194816?s=20) a discussion about the endgame for shared security with [@nickwh8te](https://twitter.com/nickwh8te) and [@sunnya97](https://twitter.com/sunnya97) * [Bell Curve releases](https://open.spotify.com/episode/5ArR6KQ4JlNVEOX6pGicwi?si=jHY6DQA1QdSDi65vdoT4wA) a podcast episode on rollapp stacks with Sovereign Labs and Slush * [@gluk64 explains](https://twitter.com/gluk64/status/1628709411668602882?s=20) the rollup security trilemma and how zkSync solves it * [@LeThang137 summarizes](https://twitter.com/LeThang137/status/1628085832031809537?s=20) the shared security discussion 👆 * [@seppwurscht summarizes](https://twitter.com/seppwurscht/status/1628041971167117314?s=46&t=1buAYE0NzIhaRqAfVg8RgQ) Mesh Data Availability, a concept introduced by @sunnya97 in the shared security discussion 👆👆 * [Celestia hosts](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1627756169975705600?s=20) a Twitter Space discussion about MEV in the modular stack with builders from Skip Protocol, Duality and Astria * [@stonecoldpat0 writes](https://twitter.com/stonecoldpat0/status/1628054575893647360?s=20) an article explaining the tiers of transaction finality for rollups * [@eclecticcapital writes](https://twitter.com/eclecticcapital/status/1629178723554721792?s=20) an article exploring MEV in the Solana and Cosmos ecosystems * [@toghrulmaharram joins](https://twitter.com/toghrulmaharram/status/1628084222077415425?s=20) Solana’s Validated podcast to discuss rollup and ZK proofs * [Celestia depicts](https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg/status/1628086071832752128?s=20) Rollkit’s long-term vision * [Eclipse explains](https://twitter.com/EclipseFND/status/1628116949371850752?s=20) sovereign rollups in simple terms * [Hyperplane explains](https://twitter.com/Hyperlane_xyz/status/1628509531738198017?s=20) synergies between them and EigenLayer * [@toghrulmaharram explains](https://twitter.com/toghrulmaharram/status/1628157227314958337?s=46&t=JB_H_7xxgtOjSa3wE1NrGA) DA trust assumptions and why there’s low risk of DA failure * [Saga hosts](https://twitter.com/Sagaxyz__/status/1628221104815853568?s=20) a Twitter Space discussion about building web3 games on dedicated blockspace * [@sreeramkannan clarifies](https://twitter.com/sreeramkannan/status/1628558406469718016?s=20) that EigenLayer is highly complementary to rollups * [@0xSalazar explains](https://twitter.com/0xSalazar/status/1628813087204642820?s=20) how zkEVMs interact with base layer Ethereum in simple terms * [@toghrulmaharram distinguishes](https://twitter.com/toghrulmaharram/status/1628883787785375746?s=20) between sovereign rollups and L2s * [@arjunbhuptani explains](https://twitter.com/arjunbhuptani/status/1629084931677904896?s=20) the differences between L1<>L1 and L2<>L2 bridging * [@terencechain shares](https://twitter.com/terencechain/status/1628095926127702017?s=20) notes from the EIP-4844 implementer call * [@NoahCitron explains](https://twitter.com/NoahCitron/status/1627801274581233666?s=20) that if an optimistic rollup doesn’t need withdrawals (likely many use cases), it also doesn’t need a fraud proof mechanism and can still inherit DA benefits * [@nosleepjon explains](https://twitter.com/nosleepjon/status/1628827265730576385?s=20) how Hyperplane fits into Optimism’s Superchain vision * [@WestieCapital explains](https://twitter.com/westiecapital/status/1628898365344739328?s=46&t=Sa-kQ8xUY_X1giqluqQhAA) how Danksharding allows synchronous composability between the L1 and ZK rollups, so liquidity is not fragmented * [@toghrulmaharram explains](https://twitter.com/toghrulmaharram/status/1627820775238426626?s=46&t=Sa-kQ8xUY_X1giqluqQhAA) that it’s not possible to use two chains for rollup settlement * * * **That's all for this week! 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