1. He trades a lot... https://drakula.app/post/9baf7e61-130e-4864-b3d7-6e441df29cc6?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

2. Why not FarCats, Fufu Prophet? https://drakula.app/post/755ef3f5-3b90-4eb8-bb8c-9b455e6c2659?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

3. artlu is too cringe for christin and king https://drakula.app/post/5e167f19-bd42-43d7-a1b8-3a4a11c7102d?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

4. BArt-Head was so ashamed https://drakula.app/post/7cd70fc1-442b-4387-ab49-36c6c310e36d?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

5. DWR or V always have this over me https://drakula.app/post/fb11c6cc-0ab9-4dc4-a00b-578e55bebfd4?invite=Nhbkqw&mintReferral=0x8D46349D6c41098b5f2a84E82250041E83731a51

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[free ChatGPT summary] This episode discusses various aspects of mental health, including personal experiences and expert insights on coping strategies. The episode aims to provide listeners with practical advice and encouragement for managing mental well-being.

[biologically organic, free-range summary] @artlu announces his departure from Farcaster, reflecting on his journey and regrets, while discussing the show's future. He also shares his story about early struggles with shadowbanning and the lengths to which he had to go through to get unbanned, hoping this will not happen to others on the platform. We are joined by special guests @king and @fufuprophet.eth, and celebrate the bittersweet finale of The BCBHShow.

Sponsor this spot for 0.1 ETH (90 seconds for 0.05 ETH).

BeavChris

 Hello, we might be live. 

BArt-Head

GM!

BeavChris

Gm gm, we're streaming on Unlonely, minting on Base via Zora, blogging on Paragraph, sharing clips on Drakula, presence managed by SeemoreTV, and today we have our special guests for the finale.

We have Bahahaha, who is @king, 

King

Hey y'all! 

BeavChris

Who is joining us today. And we also have Fufu Prophet. 

Fufu Prophet

Hi hi. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I think it is both your first time being on some kind of onchain media and being recorded, right? So it's a very special occasion. 

Fufu Prophet

Something like that. Yeah. Actually I did participate in a pizza, what do you call it? The yearly thing? The Bitcoin pizza thing. Yeah. During Covid I saw, I opened up a popup Neapolitan Pizza store, an online store, and I joined the worldwide event and I gave out free pizzas to the neighborhood. 

BeavChris

That's cool. Oh, that is so cool. 

Fufu Prophet

And I was on like the Twitter space about the people who joined the event and everything like that. Yeah. So maybe this is my second time. 

BeavChris

Gosh sadly, we have no free pizza today. 

Fufu Prophet

Not today. 

BeavChris

Yeah. However, we also have a great sponsor, which we'll tell you about more very soon. Our sponsor today is Interface. One of our favorite apps from wijuwiju.eth and annoushka.eth, our favorite people. 

King

I love Interface.

Fufu Prophet

I love Interface. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So, um, As we have uh, clickbaited, though it's true, this is our finale episode. And so Art will tell you more about his final decisions and hopefully not bum us out too much. And, yeah, so Art, take us away on the most diva farewell tour on Farcaster. 

King

He'll be back. He'll be back. 

Fufu Prophet

He'll be back tomorrow. 

King

Yeah. Next week. 

BArt-Head

Thank you all for joining. It's season two, episode six. We started season two, episode five, sharing some of my best memories of Farcaster, and I wanted to end on a note of my biggest regret on Farcaster and as a farewell, I'm very happy. I have these friends, King and Fufu, who are some of our super friends, super fans of the show and I'm excited to have them on stream to share with the rest of our fans in our community that we've built over two seasons.

It's not for nothing that we got here, but yeah, straight to it. I am leaving Farcaster. I've decided it's no longer the place for me. And my biggest regret is something that happened a while ago, and I haven't really shared it or addressed it or dealt with it. So thank you for joining this long, extended farewell and therapy session.

But very briefly, what happened was back in the bear market, I had just joined Farcaster. I was working at a Web3 startup. Some of our biggest customers were already on Farcaster. I was excited. I get to interact with them on a non business level. And also to see different things that they were trying.

Our product was still in private beta, so we didn't really, all of us joined, but we didn't really talk about our product. We weren't shilling. We were just trying to make connections and friends, probably anticipating that at some point we would do a launch and have 500 signups immediately through Farcaster.

BeavChris

Oh, what was this project? 

King

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Oh, I was at a startup called Starlight. And 

BeavChris

oh, the Balaji one Is a Balaji startup. Is that the one 

BArt-Head

It was? Not, not seeded by Balaji, but it was seeded by several pretty big names and it's no longer around and I'm no longer there. So we all came to Farcaster and we didn't really have that much to offer except for making friends, supporting people, trying things out.

So one of the things I did was, I downloaded Interface and it was Awesome. Because I could snoop on people's addresses without doing too much work

King

I love Interface.

BArt-Head

Like you just set. Yeah, you just set a watch for these addresses. And as soon as something happens, you get a little notification on your phone. It's semi public.

So watching, the other person knows that some address is watching them and can figure out who it is. But it's not intrusive and it's not a privacy stealing in any way. And so that was one of the products I watched and I was watching like different accounts on Farcaster as well as people in the crypto space.

One of them was Vitalik. One of the first things I do on any social network is see what Vitalik is doing. He was my first follow on Farcaster. And I set up super notifications so that whenever he says something, Warpcast should let me know that he said something on Farcaster. And on Interface, I followed his account because, if vitalik.eth is moving funds, that's a possibly market moving event. And I found out that, really cool, he posts on his blog every couple of weeks. But through Interface, I got a heads up of maybe eight hours before anyone on Twitter knew what he was talking about. Because Vitalik is very particular, everything he does is onchain and provable because he's concerned about spoofs. So he will do a little bit of onchain action with his ENS to show that he's linking it to a,

King

IPFS URL.

BArt-Head

To his blog post so you can confirm it's actually him. So he updates and Interface tells me, Vitalik is posting something. So like he's, if he happens to be in Asia, in the middle of the night, I get a ping on my phone and I can, if I want, be ahead of everybody else in Europe and the U.S. in knowing what he is talking about and anticipating what the reaction might be. So that was really fascinating. And I started following some other people, including 0xen, who is the artist behind the FarCats project, as well as many other things. And he was a very active early user on, in the early days on Farcaster.

FarCats, I discovered was a really cool project and I was late to it because a lot of people on Farcaster already had it. So I didn't have any. But I thought I'm going to look for the right opportunity to mint it or buy it. And in the bear market, gwei had been falling and gas was like sorry, gas had been falling and it was like 11 or 12 gwei.

And things were really dead. If you guys think Farcaster gets dead, things were really dead, in, a year and a half ago or two years ago. And 0xen said on Farcaster, hey gas is really low. Respond to my thread and I will give you a FarCat. 

BeavChris

What? 

BArt-Head

And I see this. I did not see this at all. I didn't like, I wasn't paying attention.

Like I wasn't on Farc, I wasn't on Warpcast. I think at that time, I was only on desktop. There was a desktop app, not even 

King

Was, did FarCat come before Degen? I was actually not paying attention. 

Fufu Prophet

Yeah.

BeavChris

Yeah. I think 

Fufu Prophet

Way before. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So are you saying that Interface gave you a good investment opportunity because you were able to hop on

BArt-Head

Absolutely! I knew this from the start because wijuwiju is like the most active user on Interface and dogfooding it. And you could see different memecoins, sh1tcoins, apes, YOLOs, of wijuwiju if you choose to follow. 

Fufu Prophet

He trades a lot of sh1tcoins.

BArt-Head

We all know and it's, it's really cool because it's proof that if you're a founder and you actually use your product you can find the features that are useful.

King

I started using this strategy today with Interface. 

BArt-Head

Yes. Yeah for certain accounts, so but 0xen was moving lots of FarCats and I saw who they were moving to and it was like people that I followed and hoped would follow me back on Farcaster and they were very low FIDs, very large followings at the time, like 200 followers or 150 followers.

I don't know, Fufu, do you remember, did you get a FarCat at that time? 

Fufu Prophet

I did not. I'm a dog, dog person. I didn't need any FarCats.

BArt-Head

You’re a dog person!

Fufu Prophet

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

He was giving them out and different people were getting them. I was like, Oh, this person got another one. This person has three now. And they're getting them for, I don't remember if it was free or if 0xen was saying, Hey send me a very low amount and I'll send you a FarCat. I think it was free. 

Fufu Prophet

Yeah. There were a lot of opportunities where it was free. 

BArt-Head

He was giving 'em out for free. He was like, gas is so low, let me give them out to whoever's around. This is proof that you are here. And that to me is another really interesting thing about the FarCats holding community.

So I replied to the thread. I think the thread had 30 replies before me. I was like, Hey, me, here's my address. And, and crickets, like nothing. So I was like, oh, and then I saw other people, maybe like he went for a poop or he went to take a dump, he took his phone down. Maybe he went to sleep. I don't know.

So I was waiting. And then I saw he was sending FarCats, like on Interface, he was sending FarCats to other people. Like, man, this kind of sucks. I read the thread and other people say, Hey, here's my address. It was like, great. So thank you for, for supporting the project. Here's a FarCat. It was like, wee, everyone's happy.

So I, what do I do? So I respond again, maybe you missed this. Here's my address, like nothing. And around this time, I had suspected that I had been shadow banned and there was no talk, there was no talk about shadow bans. It was maybe some people were whispering or joking about it. I heard some, I heard the word shadow ban.

And they were jokes. People were joking about it. It's ah ha. There's no way there's a shadow ban. We're in web three. This is Read Write Own. This is crypto based. Vitalik is here. How can he support a place where there's shadow bans? And I had suspected that maybe I had been shadow banned because this was not the first little game that people had played where I had tried to participate. And Nobody was interacting with me, and

BeavChris

I didn't realize this was a supervillain like, origin story this whole time. 

BArt-Head

Yes, the origin story! 

Fufu Prophet

Was there a mute function at that time? 

BArt-Head

No. There was a report function. 

Fufu Prophet

Oh yeah report. 

BeavChris

Dawufi's spamming skill issue in the chat. Like, so, so what happened? 

 BArt-Head

Yeah so, so I was thinking there's no way I was shadow banned, but maybe. It's such a small group. I had annoyed someone because maybe I can be annoying sometimes. Unlikely, but it's possible and 

BeavChris

No way 

Fufu Prophet

Unlikely.

King

No way. Art being annoying? No!

BArt-Head

And at this time I was very like, I was a good soldier, representative of my company like it was, I was casting just to engage, To be a reply guy, to, to be the useful soldier Conversational Liquidity Provider [Ed. note: he said something different in the stream] that the network needed.

King

Were you spamming or shilling something? 

BArt-Head

Zero spam, zero shills. What I was doing was, I was liking a lot of casts. And I was replying to a lot of casts to the point where I was uncomfortable, but I thought, Hey, like it's important to reply. And people like Ted were saying, just cast more, just reply. We welcome it. But I thought well, maybe I, I stepped, you know, I went over the line and some people got annoyed and I thought there was either just a group of cool kids that said, you know, this guy, let's just, let's just all be quiet when he walks in the room and maybe he'll walk away. 

King

This guy's not cool enough.

BArt-Head

I thought maybe it's a skill issue. And I thought well, or um, maybe I was shadow banned for lots of reports because uh, my jokes are not funny, again, skill issue and my social skills are undeveloped and inappropriate for this particular group of knuckleheads [Ed. note: he said something different in the stream]. And I thought well, you know, I want a FarCat!

So I, I messaged 0xen. Privately. I said, hey, dude, do you see my messages? And they're like, no answers. And so I went on Telegram, I found him on Twitter. I messaged with Twitter. I found him on Telegram. I messaged with Telegram. 

BeavChris

This is really your simping era. I've totally missed this. 

BArt-Head

I found him on XMTP. 

BeavChris

Oh god. 

BArt-Head

Like, hey man, like, I want a FarCat. 

King

I want this FarCat. 

BArt-Head

And it was free and I really dug the project already. It was like on my list of stuff. And finally, you know what I did? I bought a FarCat, like I spent money, and I shared it in the thread as if it was the one that he gave me. 

BeavChris

Oh god, that's so sad.

King

Oh, come on!

BArt-Head

Everyone was like, hey, I'm part of the club, here's my FarCat. I was like, hey, I'm part of the club, here's my FarCat. And then at the bottom, cause I'm all about full disclosure. By the way, I minted it.

King

He's a good lawyer.

BArt-Head

And, and then 0xen replied to me, yeah, I see your messages. And then I was like no, no, no, no, no.

What I really mean is, DO YOU SEE MY MESSAGES? AM I SHADOW BANNED? He's like, yeah, I see your messages. I said, am I shadow banned? He didn't like, he didn't know what I was talking about or he chose not to. And then he sent me a FarCat. So I got two. I bought one and I got one for free by participating in this little game 

And I was like, oh, cool. I have two now.

And it was my first verification that something was off with my account and there were all kinds of questions in my mind. Is it a skill issue? Am I annoying? Am I, do I deserve to be here? Should this be the place for me? And at the same time, there were mixed messages like, Farcaster Is Open For Everyone. We are going permissionless, if you guys remember. All of us, I had an active badge by the way, I had an active badge and I was shadow banned at the same time. 

BeavChris

Wait, so I'm a bit confused, but like right now there's no proof of your shadowbanning in your story, if 0xen says that he can see your messages. So there is no proof that you were ever shadowbanned. 

BArt-Head

Okay so I'll keep going. At the time, nobody knew the shape of the shadowban, and people were afraid to speak about it because they might get shadowbanned. Everyone thought we're like one of the first 500 people here. Why F it up by rocking the boat? This is going to be great. Who's, who's going to speak up 

King

Talking about shadowbans 

BArt-Head

By the way, who gets shadow banned? only the annoying mooks [Ed. note: he said something different in the stream] so you know, we're better off without them, but there are all these messages about Farcaster is open for everyone and we're about to go permissionless, Let's get the network ready.

If you guys remember they gave out invites. Each of us got 10 people that we could invite, and some people got a hundred people to invite, which were like, you don't have to be a friend of Dan anymore. You don't have to be in that little group. I got invites.

Fufu Prophet

Oh, that's where I first met you, right? 

King

Oh, you invited

Fufu Prophet

I did a gate keeping, 

No, no, no. 

Um, We interacted on uh, Warpcast. Right. I gate, yeah. Yeah. We did some gatekeeping NFTs. And then you asked me like, uh, yeah. [Ed. note: when Fufu met Artlu 😍]

Farcaster

frdysk 🐕 on Warpcast

I tried to tokengate my warpcast invites to filter airdrop farmers, lets hope they're not airdrop high roller farmers. 2 has been minted and both has been invited. https://highlight.xyz/mint/64cca3177c564a697f9720f6

BArt-Head

I'm sure. 

Fufu Prophet

Hold on. 

BArt-Head

That's probably, yeah, around, that's probably when we first interacted, but I made a DeForm app. This is before DeForm was a big deal. I think they, DeForm had their first partnership with Coinbase already, but it was not like as persistent across the ecosystem as it is now.

I made a DeForm survey and posted it on Twitter. I said, Hey, if you, and I think I posted on Telegram too, if you want an invite to Farcaster, fill this out. I have this many, I will give them out in order, like no gatekeeping, just first come first serve. Just give me, I think your Twitter handle or sorry, give me your email address and your wallet address, and I'll enter them into the form so you get an invite

And. Oh, so I got them and I said, if I, when I get more, I'll get more. And I got so many messages, like nice begging messages. Please give me, please like really nice personal, but begging messages. I really want in. And I gave them out and then I ran out. It's like, sorry. I responded to every single person.

I'm sorry. I'm out. But when I get some. You are number 12 on the list of 30 and I'm going to get more. And then I went through and I gave out more and I posted on Twitter. 

King

Where did those people come from? Where did you post the DeForm link, on Twitter? 

BArt-Head

I put it on Twitter. So whoever has access to the internet via Twitter, I thought would be welcome on Web3 social.

And in reality, a lot of them came from Indonesia. A lot of them. Some of them came from Iran. Some of them came from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan. Like I met people. I met people all over the world. Some people came from Africa. I don't, yeah, some people came from America. 

BeavChris

So you’re like, it's like that immigration game where you're like the one sitting in the little booth. Like turning people's asylum applications away or something. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I was responding to every single person on Telegram. And they're like, so many of them were like, dude, I'm a farmer. What are you doing? 

Like, why are you spending so much effort? And then I was like, welcome, please come join us. And, and meanwhile I was shadow banned and people were not seeing my messages, but if you had followed me, like Fufu, I think you had followed me. And so you were still seeing that I was active. 

BeavChris

I still don't get, how do you know you were shadow banned at that point?

BArt-Head

So, So I, I just started getting more and more, collecting more and more proof that some people could see me and some people could not see me. And then I discovered because someone had shared it or something that you can go in private browsing onto Warpcast.com and see that there's a game going on and then your cast does not show up there.

BeavChris

Oh, yeah, I think that still works.

BArt-Head

And I saw, Oh, I've been shadow banned. That's the, there are certain things that have to work because they have to work, and that still works. So I realized, Oh, I was shadowbanned. 

And people were asking me, like Justin who sponsored us last week, he's, like, Hey um, I don't understand why your casts are not getting the same engagement that some of the other people who joined around the same time are. Like we, we had a bunch of us that were relatively new and we were on Ildi Ghostlinkz, his weekly newsletter of frequent casters [Ed. note: https://warpcast.com/~/channel/outcasters Look ma, the algo is currently showing just. my. cast in the channel!]. And that was one way of getting followers was to just cast a lot to show up on Ildi's list of valuable contributors to the network. And I was on there and the other people who were on there were getting so many more followers and, people would go look for me, but they would not find me.

And Justin was like, I don't understand why you're not getting as much engagement. And I was so ashamed. Like I couldn't tell him that I was shadowbanned. I was like feeling it's because it's my skill issue. I think I'm not funny. I'm not interesting. I have very little. 

BeavChris

KMac just called you the Cesar Chavez of FC. So 

BArt-Head

So my biggest regret is at the time I questioned whether I was funny or valuable or interesting or worthwhile. And so I didn't tell people. And I think I asked KMac, Hey, 'cause he was in Purple and he was loud. He like, he was a guy who would not be afraid to like, say sh1t. And I think I asked him like, 

King

Good old KMac! 

BArt-Head

Are you getting my casts? And he was like, yeah, I am getting your casts. Keep going. I was like, cool! I got encouraged. I reached out to various people, am I doing something wrong? And they're like no, keep, you're doing, you're great, man. And so then I thought, I'm an old dude. I've been around.

I've worked at a company with 100,000 people and have known how to navigate. This is a startup with 10 people. How can they possibly figure out how to keep me out? So I made a friend who was one of the new joiners in the Warpcast team. I made a friend with him. I was like, I followed him. No one knew that he had joined or no one cared.

King

Who is this? 

BArt-Head

I'm gonna keep it quiet because he helped me out.

King

It's classified. 

BArt-Head

He's got a name that unfortunately, a lot of people would not follow because his name is not, it's clearly not an American name. And so I made a friend, I was, I was helping him out and I was uh, also asking him questions, engaging with him.

King

Okay, it's Ran Domero. 

BArt-Head

And trying to, yeah, it could be, so it could be Ran Domero now. So I was um, I was both helping him with things that he was talking about and also asking him for help with my issues with Farchiver and then I was like, all right, I've hooked him. This is the same thing you do in a big company. 

You make friends like, with the people at your level or below, and then see if they'll try to help you. And I was like, Hey can you just check my account? I think there's something wrong. Cause first, can you, I said, can you check other people's account? I'm running Farchiver. I'm finding all these issues with hubs, networks, not syncing with each other. 

Is it the hubs or is it me? It's most likely me. I'm an idiot. I'm just a baby. Please help me out. And he did. He was like, no, it's your problem. It's not our problem. Okay, cool. Thank you, sir. Can you check my account out, please?  

King

You called him a sir? 

BeavChris

Like S-E-R, ser?

BArt-Head

I'm sure I called him sir. I'm sure. I'm sure I did every, I tried everything I could to butter up uh, and be ingratiating and friendly. And then finally, he confirmed, yes you're marked as a spammer. 

BeavChris

Aww. 

BArt-Head

But it's clearly wrong. He, he himself said, but it's clearly wrong. 

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

I can't fix it, but let me get it fixed for you. 

King

I don't get it. They, they had a filter already back then for spammers. I thought that was like a recent thing. 

BArt-Head

You thought so, huh? 

King

Yeah, because I thought back then they had a select number of people who would be favored on the feed, but the rest just, they're not spammers, they're just not preferred on the feed. That's what I thought was the mechanics of the feed back then. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. When I joined, that's what was told to us as well. And they said, oh, there is a very small number of people who are nerfed and then there was a kind of a shadow, if you will, space of 

Fufu Prophet

Wasn't there like a Dune query for that, right? 

BArt-Head

I never saw and at that time, I don't believe there were Indicators, if there was any way to, to identify it at that time. So I don't remember one. If you saw one, then I would have liked to have seen it, but no. My understanding was, 

King

I understood that the feed was like, it had this bias towards the Faristocracy, so I just spammed the feed with whatever I had in mind, just kept casting because I know nobody cared anyway. Okay. So that's how I got started. 

BArt-Head

How's that working out for you? 

King

I don't know, I don't care too much, but people seem to be liking my posts. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, so I like that both you and many other accounts that came after me have been able to do that. And have been able to, to spam the feed and not get blocked or not give up. And I re-... and so to wrap up, through back channels, this person went to the only two human beings that could take me off the spam list and they took me off. 

And there has never been any communication between me and any, either of those two about. It's like a, I know what you did and you know that you did it to me, but we're not going to talk about it. 

King

You're a legend. 

BArt-Head

And then uh, either DWR or V took me off of the spammer list and they always have this over me that at one point they put me on the spammer list and they took me off.

There was zero way I could get off the spammer list without a human intervening and making a determination as to my worth. So my takeaway is anybody who is, who thinks they are not a spammer, but has been marked as a spammer. It is not an algo that explains why you are still there. It is a combination of human judgment, indifference, and scale. 

It is not that some algorithm is poorly written and you haven't figured it out. What you haven't figured out is how to work a system.

Now at this time, I had in my tagline that I was uncensorable, and in reality, I was uncensorable because two human beings chose not to censor me. It's not like there was anything innate in the system or the construction or the technology that kept me from being censored. And so my biggest regret is that I haven't been able to share this out of a mixture of, shame, disappointment, some optimism of, Hey, I can be the change I want to be. And things are getting better. 

I see King thriving and I think maybe it's okay. In reality, there are, human beings who are one tenth the skill of King at sh1t who should be on Farcaster and they have a really hard time. King can fend for himself or manage avoiding the spam list, but there's many people who are less skilled, who still have value to add and or do not have the particular mental illness that we, the four of us on screen have. 

King

Thanks, guys!

BeavChris

So I guess what we're trying to say is that if Art chooses to leave us, King, you are actually carrying, I don't know, like the sword with your sh1tposting, like you represent everyone else at this point. 

King

I'm sad that Art is leaving. 

BeavChris

Yeah, 

BArt-Head

So I've given up. I think this will not change. And the different product decisions since then have reinforced this idea that Warpcast is being built as a status as a service network, which requires keeping people out in order to maintain its value. 

And it's clearly being built protocol second product first, which is a product for normies who by definition do not care about things like decentralization, free speech. They just want something that's

King

high quality signal. 

BArt-Head

It's either entertaining or makes them money. And if becoming entertaining and making them money means compromising on values of decentralization, of course, for normies. 

And, I joined Farcaster with some hope of building a space where this kind of evil could not be possible. You can't be evil in this way, but it's clearly possible. And 

BeavChris

I'm pretty ignorant about this, but isn't what Cassie is building closer ethos wise. I don't know. I feel like I have Q experts in the house here.

BArt-Head

I'll let the Q experts speak. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

King

Oh, Cassie. 

BeavChris

You are the Q expert, King. 

King

I'm not. I'm not. I just made my nodes. Qulibrium, Cassie's building a decentralized internet and she said some time ago that yes, you can, she's working, the Q company is working on making Farcaster data work on Quillibrium. So if you're building Farcaster applications you can do it on Quillibrium as well. Yeah, that would be exciting to see. I actually haven't made up my mind how it would work or how I as a builder would build on it. Because 2.0 is yet to be released and it's going to be released in two days or so.

Cassie's put a new date. She's doing some tests for mainnet right now before actually releasing it, the full product and then I can do some building on it. Right now, I'm just running a node and I can't really do any building yet because I know it's going to change and not until the full product is released.

I'm going to try it out. We'll see. I think it's very exciting. 

BeavChris

So like, when I see these occasional Cassie ragecasts, 

King

I support her, I love her. 

BeavChris

Guns and butter. Isn't, I always think, Oh, isn't this what Art wants? In terms of uncensorable, blah, blah, blah. 

King

Have you 

BArt-Head

it is 100 percent what I want.

BeavChris

Yeah. So

BArt-Head

It's ironic to me that Cassie is, finds Coinbase to be insufficiently values aligned. And has landed at Warpcast. It's very ironic to me. 

BeavChris

We all need day jobs. 

King

Cassie's fully heads down on Quillibrium. She's brilliant when it comes to dev. It's so good. So good. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and sometimes you gotta be in the belly of the beast to figure out the new way. 

BArt-Head

That's one reason why I've stayed so long. Is, I wanted to be the change that I want to see. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I get that.

BeavChris

Fufu, what are your thoughts on this extremely long vulnerable share? 

Fufu Prophet

Have you tried Nostr, Art? 

BArt-Head

Nostr is one of the things that I will try. What do you think of Nostr? 

Fufu Prophet

I don't know. I didn't get any traction from it, so I lost touch about six months ago. I tried to use it. It's all about zapping, Lightning, and it's too techy for me. It's all dev talks. I'm not a dev, so you are a dev, you might connect over there.

BeavChris

You will find your people over there. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I read about it yesterday because Lyn Alden put out a blog post about Nostr. And I look, I tried to find out what their DAU were. And my takeaway is, yeah, it's a very dev space. Things are even more decentralized than Farcaster protocol. And that's, that's been their challenge. They can't move as fast because it's so decentralized. Warpcast can move fast because they are sacrificing some decentralization. 

King

And what did they talk about? Are they talking Nostr development stuff? 

BArt-Head

They're just talking protocol level things, still working out because the protocol is meant to be super simple and censorship resistant all the way through. 

And on top of that, they have no money. So unlike Warpcast, which just raised a lot of money that everybody can see, Nostr is like every so often, eventually Jack Dorsey throws them some, a chunk of BTC. There's no airdrop coming. So they don't have the farmer incentive or the farmer problem. And that's also not

King

There’s no tipping?!

BArt-Head

They do have tipping. 

BeavChris

Oh!

BArt-Head

It's yeah. Sending money to incentivize quality content is entirely there through Zaps. And it's, you have to actually use real BTC. It's not, 

BeavChris

Oh gosh,

BArt-Head

it's not just ETH. But 

Fufu Prophets

People are still giving out free zaps, so it's still early. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. Okay. I got it. You reserve my username. I bet my name's already taken. 

Fufu Prophet

That means 

BArt-Head

It doesn't matter because it's on a private keypair. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. Okay. All right, yeah, let's all make our account now and add each other so we have a little gang going. 

BArt-Head

Your instinct of reserving an account is so centralized, Christin. What do you mean? What do you mean someone else can own your name? Or take it away from you? Or keep you from having it? What do you mean by that? Aren’t we in Web3?

BeavChris

This is whole like decentralization stuff. I really don't really understand. But okay. So you're moving to Nostr and I guess we 

BArt-Head

So I read about, I spent 10 minutes reading about it yesterday. That's it. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

What I really am looking forward to is going to Bunches. Which is a social network that Derek Brown, who is on Farcaster, built. It's all about sports. All sports all the time. And, anytime you get, it's a sports social network. 

BeavChris

What is it called? Bunches? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, like bunches of grapes. 

BeavChris

Oh okay. 

King

How do they moderate the casts there? The posts there? 

BArt-Head

It's really well developed. It is really well developed. And the cool thing to me is every single online sports internet forum that I have ever been involved with has tons of politics, and opinions and men helping men or men bashing on men

King

Grrrr.

BArt-Head

All like the whole spectrum of interactions is there and it's, it starts off as sports, but you make real deep connections.

BeavChris

I like how like women's sports are just like completely ignored in this entire conversation. 

BArt-Head

Actually, a lot of the groups that I have been involved in the past, have had like maybe 70-30 or 80-20 polarization for women's basketball. So there's

BeavChris

Oh yeah, that sounds about right. And will that be e-sports?

Maybe I can get into that. This is one thing where I'm like, I don't think I understand normal sports, but maybe e sports, or I guess except for like powerlifting or something, but that's too specific. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. And there's maybe, so there's maybe 80-20 polarization for women's basketball, And there's probably 70-30 or 60-40 polarization the other way for women's soccer, because the U.S. women are so good that they get a lot of fans.

BeavChris

Okay. It sounds like you're, I don't know, maybe Lunchbreak as well, you're just like looking for all these Farcaster social graph-esque alternatives as well. So you're not technically leaving Farcaster, you're leaving Warpcast. 

BArt-Head

Bunches has nothing to do with 

BeavChris

Oh, didn't you say the found? 

BArt-Head

Like I know the founder through Farcaster. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. 

BArt-Head

It's a totally different network. Lunchbreak is a way to aggregate your connections across X, LinkedIn, Instagram, Farcaster. So it's, and it's a game where you buy people's seats and you have some utility that's attached to it. So it's not a social network. And then Nostr is just a, 

BeavChris

Oh, and then the alpha for Lunchbreak is that there might be something new in August. 

BArt-Head

August 16th.

Fufu Prophet

As in I can log in? As in by August, I can log in now? 

BeavChris

I know, poor FuFu has been having like all sorts of issues. Did you message Boro directly? 

Fufu Prophet

Yeah, twice on different times and he said he's going to fix it, but I don't know. 

BeavChris

Maybe it's the same issue as the other thing that we discovered with your account. Okay. I will also bug him. 

King

Are you part of the Lunchbreak team, Art? 

BArt-Head

Absolutely not. I'm entirely someone who Borodutch has paid to sponsor on this show.

BeavChris

Oh God, yeah. Lunchbreak has sponsored our previous episodes. 

King

Okay, I love Lunchbreak. 

BeavChris

But I just chatted with May recently, who is on the Lunchbreak team, so it is fresh on my mind. 

King

Yeah, I don't know much about Lunchbreak, but you said it now, what it's about. 

BArt-Head

We should talk about Interface a little bit more.

BeavChris

I think it's similar to Scoop or, you know, these sorts of social fi things [Ed. note: Lunchbreak]. I think that's the direction they're heading in. But yes but because our sponsor this episode is Interface. We will talk more about them for sure. So I think now is maybe a good time to have our official ad read.

For me, Interface has been a great app to, actually doing the CastOut games where there were lots of mechanics where Nounish Prof had hidden trophies and things like that. And I had to really stalk everyone's accounts to figure out what is going on. So I think like, you know, very much like Art, or even someone like me, who's not actively trading crypto, if I want to really know what's happening, like socially like, you know, the, the Farcaster feed is great, but you know, money is where real things are happening.

So you can see what everyone is trading and you can know what's going on in the space just by having an interface account. And yes, I still continue to stalk Nounish Prof's trades just to see. 

BArt-Head

What I really like seeing is there are people who are loud about being degens and you can follow them and see how much their onchain activity reflects their social activity. And there are people who are very quiet about being degens, and you may also discover that their onchain activity is very different from their persona, outward facing or curated. And it's interesting to see the differential. And on top of that, what I really like is Wijuwiju and Annoushka use the product.

So there's often new little features that you think, Oh, somebody just thought it would be nice to listen to the podcast without leaving Interface. And now we can listen to the podcast in Interface. That's a really cool thing to see the composability continue to get built out. Thank you. 

King

That's cool.

BeavChris

Exactly. So I like to call it like the Spotify for onchain media, just because if you try to listen to our show on Zora itself, it might be a frustrating experience. Whereas in Interface, it just feels a lot more native and natural. So yes, and The Nounish Prof also mentioned about how media shows in interface.

So yeah, so please do check it out. Like, you know, Annoushka and Wijuwiju are totally Farcaster native and happy to answer your questions. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, thank you so much to Interface for sponsoring us. I also want to just thank again our previous sponsors for the show. There's two seasons. Part of it was these two viewers only. But now we have, now we have many, many viewers.

I am sad to be leaving but I am grateful for all the attention as well as sponsorship and money that have been coming through our hands. We've tried to deal with it transparently, everything is going through our wallet. 

King

But you're the, going to create an alt account, right, Art? 

BeavChris

Yeah! 

BArt-Head

My plan is no. I have shared in a cast. Somebody asked about my alt accounts. So I shared in a cast all of my accounts. And, people can trace those wallets and the activities in those wallets. And see if they ever create a new one. My plan is no. Things of course change, as in crypto they do change. I'm sure my friends will continue to interact with me on different media.

My preferred one, by the way, is through my GitHub, but Telegram is okay as well. 

King

Okay, exactly. 

BeavChris

How, wait, how do people interact with you through GitHub? 

King

Pull request. 

BArt-Head

I Y K Y K. 

BeavChris

And are you comfortable with me sharing your Telegram handle? 

BArt-Head

Oh, sorry I want to say, if you want to reach me, but you don't know how, because I put my telegram handle everywhere. If you want to reach me, but you don't know how, ask Christin and she will be my filter. And 

BeavChris

I don't like how I've actually become your intern in the whole process.

BArt-Head

This is called permission-less internship. And 

BeavChris

Like, the intern has been artlu all along. I'm not doing all the grunt work of uploading clips or whatever. It's been Art. 

Fufu Prophet

Everybody knows that.

BeavChris

One week when he was on vacation. Um, Exactly. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. The intern account is a shared wallet. So both. BeavChris and BArt-Head have, I don't know what it's called, but communal ownership of the Ethereum key. 

BeavChris

Oh right, yeah. 

BArt-Head

My guess is only one of the two knows how to use it. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

One more thing, if BeavChris doesn't answer you, then you may reach out to Stellabelle, but she may tell you to use Session to reach me. And so I have Session as well. 

BeavChris

What is Session? 

Fufu Prophet

You have Session as well? What's your, I use session. 

BArt-Head

I'll send it to you separately. Session is an anonymous messenger. 

BeavChris

Oh, is this a new hot messenger we should all be using? After Signal? 

BArt-Head

No, Christin, you should not be using it at all. It's not hot at all. 

BeavChris

Why? 

Fufu Prophet

It's low key. 

BeavChris

Why gatekeep? 

BArt-Head

There's a very small group of Farcasters on Session.

BeavChris

Uh-huh 

BArt-Head

Yeah it's nice. It's protected by cryptography. There's no blockchain as far as I could tell. 

BeavChris

Oh, so you're in group chats there. I'm already excluded from like the Chinese Farcaster WeChat, so I don't even know what else there is out there. 

Fufu Prophet

There's a Chinese Farcaster WeChat? 

BeavChris

Yeah, I think so? It has been mentioned, and I was asked to be invited, and I was never ever invited. 

BArt-Head

I will not say whether, actually, I don't have WeChat, so I'm not in that group. But I will say if I was a Chinese Farcastoororor, and Christin came to ask to be invited, I probably would not. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and Naomi's saying that there's also Line Messenger. I'm sure there's these like Farcaster cabals on every single platform now beyond Farcaster. 

King

You guys are all over the place. I only have WhatsApp and Farcaster, that's it. 

BeavChris

Oh, so disciplined. 

King

I have Twitter too, for the meme coin. 

BeavChris

Yeah. Oh, actually Art, you do have an X account, and in the chat people were mentioning speaking of centralization, I know that you want to be there, but I'm like, isn't that the exact opposite?

BArt-Head

Yeah, everybody look at my X account. It's just about projects that I support. 

BeavChris

So are you going to be active on there? Because that would be the closest equivalent to Farcaster, right? 

BArt-Head

X. I have an X account. Like I have a Facebook account. I have a LinkedIn account. I use it for different purposes.

BeavChris

Yeah, but. We all have LinkedIn accounts, but are we on LinkedIn? 

BArt-Head

I'm not building anything on X. Like I, I was building various little toys on Farcaster. 

BeavChris

Oh, so where are you going to be building? I guess GitHub is the best way to stalk you then. That is true. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So Nostr, I read about it for 10 minutes yesterday. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right. I guess.

BArt-Head

I'm not going to build on Quilibrium based on my experience with Farcaster. 

King

So you're just going to drop all the Farcaster toys you've been building? 

BArt-Head

So the Farcast, my Farcaster toys are built to last 'cause they all collectively cost less per month than the $DEGEN that I've collected. I can finance them for a very long time. So it, as long as they're useful to people, I'll keep them up. I did make one small change to the lite client. So I wrote a pretty lengthy seven minute read about the lite client and how to use it to get from lite client to various actual alt clients. [Ed. note: [cast] and [blog]]

And I am sunsetting the community curation feature of The BCBH Show. Originally I thought it would be interesting to find out what other members of The BCBH Show community thought would be worthy of upvotes and downvotes. I thought a community circle could be useful for finding like-minded content.

Right now there are some bigger experiments going on specifically in the $DEGEN space, where the $DEGEN project is trying to live up to their aspirational goals on their website of surfacing good content. So you can tell that the team is doing things like Jacek said, he's doing an Ask Me Anything. And if you reply in a big long thread, he will sort by the ones that receive the most $DEGEN tips. And so tipping, using an airdrop allocation that is, up to 10K, but maybe less. The question is, can that produce an interesting signal that elevates out of noise using a little element of skin in the game, right, because you have to lock your degen to get a tip allocation, without spending your own. So you're spending other people's money still. And that's interesting. And Liang with Degencast, which is an open source project has just published a paragraph post about the future of curation via Degencast. 

Which has an element of bonding curves and staking on particular casts. So you can use $DEGEN to express your view that certain casts are worthy of engagement or interest or eyeballs. And the market can elevate and reward people who identify the worthwhile casts. And then there's a big project launching, which is called Moxie, which has mechanisms to try to pay for curation, elevate content that the community finds valuable.

So there's many experiments in, along these directions. And I think the community curation, we can set aside, sunset and, pick up later. But 

BeavChris

But didn't you make a Y0b version of the client or something? 

BArt-Head

Oh yeah. So Y0bcaster is another little one of the toys. I built three toys for alt clients.

There's one, which is a lite client, The BCBH Show Lite Client 🌟. There's one, which is a cast action, which just redirects from one. If you're in the feed, and you want to see this particular cast in another client, there's a cast action. And then there's Y0bcaster, which is just a link page, which says, there's so many clients to juggle. 

So I'm going to show you eight clients and you select the ones you want to see, and you're going to get four big stupid buttons. One button is Warpcast. So if you want to know how to get to Warpcast, press this button. If you want to get to the Lite client and you can't remember the URL, click this button.

It also has some native mobile links. So it will open the native clients, which is really useful for me. And if you want to see this, if you want to go to Recaster, you go there and it just coalesces the different clients. And I just named it Y0bcaster as a joke. This thing also has a Sign In With Farcaster.

So if you sign in with Farcaster, you get all your decentralized bookmarks shown on that same screen. But if you don't, it's just a, it's just a webpage with four buttons.

BeavChris

I guess that's a very long winded way to say that the, they still exist. 

Fufu Prophet

Is the fart action button still there? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, the farts action is still there. The leaderboard is still live. [Ed. note: here]

BeavChris

Oh, you can still fart on people. 

BArt-Head

Yes. So you can fart on people. This again was built to live forever. So you can fart on people. It goes to a leaderboard. The data is very cheap to maintain. The servers are very cheap to maintain. Also, there are these shields. So there's a handful of shields floating around. If you try to fart on someone who holds a shield, The fart bounces back on you and nobody knows who has a shield. There is no centralized shield grantor.

Like I was the shield grantor, but then I've decentralized this. So now the people who hold the Wise King NFT. This is unrelated to a certain King. It's the Wise King NFT. People who hold the Wise King NFT have the ability to move shields from one account to another. And the the inspiration for this was King Arthur and his knights of the round table. 

Everybody sits around a circular table. By the way, Dedegen is following a similar path. 

BeavChris

Yeah well, we'll certainly miss you in this little roundtable. 

BArt-Head

So thank you for your friendship, support, and attention. And tips. 

King

if I have to say to you, I'll just put it on the feed. I'm gonna add you on my feed. It's @ art. I have something to say. And then you can check it out while logged out from warpcast. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, unless you've been shadowbanned. 

King

Yeah. 

BeavChris

So sad. Yeah. And there's still one more airdrop that's coming. But it's been slow because I've been slow for all our fans out there as a little commemorative NFT of sorts done in collaboration with Miguel.

We really enjoyed all of you here. Hopefully, I joke about not being Art's like assistant, but of course, reach out to me if you want to find Art. On the various platforms we've mentioned today and and I will still be here. So there will be something new coming up soon.

It's me and Cameron and we have a new show called Skill Issue. So I thought it's really funny. 

Fufu Prophet

Oh, 

King

Yeah. 

BeavChris

So we'll have a lot of the same. Here's the thing, Cameron and Art are actually really similar in the way they are secretly raging in the corner like men in need therapy kind of way about various things happening on Farcaster.

So in that way, they're very similar. However, we're taking it more in the, into a evergreen mindset kind of direction. So it'll be more of a pre recording and we can watch together thing instead of a live stream. But hopefully we can give you the same flavor with a little bit of a Cameron twist.

But, I already made a distracted boyfriend meme with me like, looking at Cameron and then Art looking back at me, so that Art couldn't make this meme before me. But yeah, certainly, I think I hope I speak for all of us Art, if you ever change your mind, It's okay.

Okay. Don't feel like you have to hold to your principle and would not make fun of you for coming back. 

BArt-Head

I'm sure you will make fun of me for coming back. Yeah. 100%. 

BeavChris

Only in endless telegram messages. Yes. 

Fufu Prophet

You'll be back. I know it. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I can see in the chat. Lots of love there. Yeah, thank you. 

BArt-Head

It's all 🫶 .

BeavChris

So, Yeah. So thank you so much for joining us, King and Fufu today. We'll wrap it up right now because we're on the hour. So Art, I'll let you read the outro. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us. We are streaming permissionlessly on Unlonely. Brian, please like my casts so they don't go into the quiet shadow banned realm in the Unlonely channel. 

Our episodes are. Yeah, our episodes are on, minted on Base via Zora, our blog posts are on Paragraph, we have short form video on Drakula, and our online presence is managed by SeemoreTV. We thank all of our fans for joining us and all of our supporters for your support over these two seasons, and uh, goodbye! 

Fufu Prophet

Bye bye! 

King

Bai! 

BeavChris

Bye! 

No one:

KMacb in the Unlonely chat:

I know it's late, I know you're weary
And I know your plans don't include me
Still, here we are, both of us lonely
Longing for shelter from all that we see
Why should we worry? No one will care girl
Look at the stars now, so far away

We've got tonight
Who needs tomorrow?
We've got tonight, babe
Why don't you stay?

Deep in my soul, I've been so lonely
All of my hopes fading away
I've longed for love, Like everyone else does
I know I'll keep searching after today

So there it is girl, We've got it all now
And here we are, babe
What do you say?

We've got tonight
Who needs tomorrow?
We've got tonight, babe
Why don't we stay?

I know it's late and I know you're weary
I know your plans don't include me (still here we are)
Both of us lonely
Both of us lonely

We've got tonight, Who needs tomorrow?
Let's make it last, Let's find a way
Turn out the light, Come take my hand now
We've got tonight, babe
Why don't we stay?

We've got tonight, babe
Why don't we stay?

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BeavChris

 Hello, we might be live. GM. GM. As usual, we have our nobody's here yet banter. I will miss this a lot as this is our penultimate episode. I hope that's the correct word for like second to last. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, welcome to the second to last episode of The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show. We are on season two, episode five. 

BeavChris

We're streaming on Unlonely. We're minting on Zora on the base chain, blogging on Paragraph with the help of Descript and ChatGPT and sometimes Claude Sonnet when I get tired of ChatGPT. Sharing clips on Drakula and our presence is managed by Seemore.TV. And now we also have our calendar reminders from Matthew at events. Caster. 

BArt-Head

I got some dms or dcs from eventsbot. 

BeavChris

Oh. Good. You should be. I think it really shows though right now 'cause you can see all the events that are going on live like for everybody. And I think yesterday they were like, just if you can spend all day here on Farcaster , it's like Disneyland.

Yeah. So what trouble have you gotten into? Oh, we have people in the chat. Oh, welcome. Welcome. We're just starting the show, and I want to preface this by saying that indeed the show notes is full of notes from Art, BArt-Head, as he has quite a lot to say and I will, as usual, interject and call him out as necessary.

And of course, you in the chat audience are always welcome to call everybody out. Yeah, 

BArt-Head

Welcome. Thank you so much to everyone for joining us and chatting with us. I had a lot on my mind. Oh, 

BeavChris

I'm sorry. I have to interject right now because I realized we forgot that I mentioned something really important.

Our sponsor for this episode is quietly sitting in the green room as we're neglecting him. Quidli is sponsoring this episode today. And Justin, who is the founder, co-founder of Quidli will be joining us to chat about the product. And of course, like many of you may be the recipient of a little bonus today. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, top of the stream, I'll mention we just did two Quidli drops, one in ETH. If you have been following our channel on Warpcast and you have minted our episodes on Base, Zora, and Paragraph, you received some ETH in your wallet about 30 minutes ago. And if you follow our channel and have locked some $DEGEN in the Degen Vault, you received some $DEGEN in your wallet this morning.

And this is a, a nice new feature that Quidli has released, which allows you to gate your drops by NFT holdings as well as ERC-20 holdings. That helps us to target our drops a little bit more precisely. We looked at our channel, there are some 230 or 245 followers on our channel. We're not sure how many have, have actually watched our show and we have real money.

So this real money, we want more of it to go to our real fans than to people who have maybe clicked one time out of curiosity. And Quidli offers some really easy ways to mix and match different requirements. For example, and this makes me almost want to gag or puke, you can and you can send ETH, $DEGEN, any token to people based on filtering on the Power Badge.

BeavChris

Oh 

BArt-Head

and that is a choice that that Quidli have made to offer you the ability to gate your drops by Power Badge. You can also 

BeavChris

We didn't do that, right? I thought we were super ironic and we did that. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, this time we did not do that. And I will never do that. If you do, that's your own permissionless keys to our crypto. 

BeavChris

Oh my God. Don't be so hilarious. If after all this in the end, you're like, Oh yeah, we also drop stuff only to power badge holders. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. I can't tell who's real, who's not. So I have to rely on the power badge to tell. Oh, fortunately I have a brain and I have different ways to do that. So we chose to split some of our drops to our minters, some of our drops to our, our supporters who also happen to be $DEGEN supporters. And, we're happy to share the contracts or, are all on chain. The transactions are there and they're reported by different bots. So there's really basically, nothing to hide.

BeavChris

Like, where did, okay, as someone who's been receiving, I don't know why I'm getting random optimism coming into my wallet. It's really confusing. Who actually dropped, is it from your account or from the BCBH Show ENS? 

BArt-Head

Yeah the ETH on base came from the BCBH show. The intern actually did the clicking. 

But, the $DEGEN came from my account, so that's not, that's coming from fafo.artlu.eth. And It should, I'm not sure if it arrives from the Quidli contract or from me. So it depends on your wallet, if it reads through the contract interaction to find out where the source of it was, or if it, if the transaction just shows that it came from the Quidli smart contract. 

BeavChris

And 

BArt-Head

Just to share with people, to distribute to over a hundred addresses, amounts of value that's $250. It cost about $2 across two transactions. And I had to make no SQL calls. I had to write zero code. I just had to copy paste some details into the Quidli frame. And let that smart contract handle the full distribution in an efficient way.

That's a, that's quite powerful. And it shows that Quidli has been building for a while and Justin can tell us about this, but they're leveraging a lot of this to, to this infrastructure, to interact with the Farcaster ecosystem. But Quidli is multi chain, multi account and able to handle lots of different things as Christin, you've discovered some Telegram integrations too. 

BeavChris

Yes, I was as you said, sneakily onboarded by Justin into Quidli's telegram function. This is really powerful. And again, like we can talk about more about all these different ways you can use Quidli in our sponsor segment. 

BArt-Head

Yeah but this week I actually wanted to spend most of our time with our audience sharing with you guys some of my most positive memories of my Farcaster experience and my biggest hopes for the ecosystem.

But to start out this week, we do go a little bit into what trouble we've gotten into. And I've been thinking a lot, about why people, WTF people come to Farcaster. And one of the really important reasons is to get paid. And this was true even before Degen and even before tipping. Degen and these meme coins, are paying each other in a little bit of, a little bit of a circle jerk, but we're also paying each other from the market, from future expectations in a little bit of a pump and dump. 

And I don't like participating in circle jerks or pump and dumps. And there was another reason why people participate in Farcaster, even if they don't care about any of that. And that's the reason that people participate in various crypto projects and look very closely at the, the fundraising details and the backing of these projects, which is that this so-, decentralized social network and protocol and client are being built very strongly by a team, deep connections within the crypto industry, as well as a quite a large war chest of funds that they've raised from VCs. And, anybody in the world, especially outside of America will look at it and say, Oh, crypto project with a lot of money. They're going to want to expand their user base beyond the U.S. into the world and in doing so they will do some airdrops or issue some tokens and I want some tokens or I want some airdrops. So there are plenty of airdrop farmers on Warpcast in various forms and they pursue projects with lots of money. So Warpcast has lots of money. It has tons of money.

It's also backed by some of the key names of VCs and investors within the crypto space. So, recently with the political situation in the U.S., specifically around the crypto industry, I noted that the crypto industry and regulations in crypto are changing. And outside of just crypto, but related to politics, it's become much more likely that the U S will become more crypto friendly. 

And that's something that a lot of us are cheering on. And the secondary impact of that is that there will be ETFs, for example, that probably 

BeavChris

recently an Ethereum ETF, right? 

BArt-Head

I think it's either five or nine of them are going to come out soon. And there's going to be various forms, including right after the ETFs come out, there's going to be Solana ETFs or ETFs with Bitcoin, ETH and Solana.

BeavChris

And 

BArt-Head

they're going to stretch the limits of, they're already planning it, but they're going to stretch the limits of what is a security because it's in crypto's, the crypto industry's interests for certain things not to be considered as securities and be available to the public. At the same time, 

BeavChris

Is this true of both if either Republican or Democratic candidate wins?

BArt-Head

So there are dynamics of power and fundraising and the need to win elections and the likelihood. So nobody knows what the future will hold, but the likelihood is that the Democrats that are, who are currently behind will need to move their positioning closer to the crypto industry and we can see signs like Kamala Harris is speaking at the BTC event, I believe, or I'm not sure if this is true or not, but it's being floated.

And if she does, it will be a, it will be interesting that she will not listen to Israel, but she is very receptive to listening to BTC heads. So there will be things that happen and this is generally around BTC and ETH, but it is extremely important to the crypto industry to have token based fundraising mechanisms be approved and be working for US investors. 

And so at some point in the next four years, possibly eight years, the crypto industry will decide that they need a poster child to try a token based distribution and fundraise. So let's think, are there well connected, highly reputable founders with successful projects who have not raised a token yet, who have not issued a token yet or distributed token yet. Who would be a very useful case to, to test the system and also open the floodgates for all the other projects that these VCs have invested in. 

BeavChris

I feel like, I feel the need to be like NFA, right now. 

Our predictions and they have not come true consistently. Please. So 

BArt-Head

this is my analysis personally. 

And I want to actually, this is a good time. I posted this, or I casted this on Farcaster. And I said the likelihood of a token, of a Warpcast token, has increased in my mind about, five times over the last couple of weeks, the likelihood of such a thing. 

BeavChris

Really? Oh, we're all joking 

BArt-Head

finger in the air because Warpcast isn't, they just raised a Series A, they will need to raise another round and their investors are not here to give them money for the longterm. Their investors are here to make a return. 

BeavChris

And 

BArt-Head

within the investors portfolios, I've gone through and looked at which ones are going to be very interesting to release a token to the general public. 

And there's several that you can circle. One that's obvious that people talk about often is WorldCoin with Sam Altman. Now they do have a token, it's out already. So they will be, 

BeavChris

that's a creepy eye coin, isn't it? 

BArt-Head

They do have an eye scanning orb. There are plenty of people on Farcaster who support the project and have, have maybe looked deeper into the technology behind it than the pure creepiness of it and have decided that actually it's, it's stronger than creepy. But there's also plenty of people in Farcaster and also in the general public that find it creepy.

So if that's too creepy, let's find some people who are less creepy, but still. 

BeavChris

As, 

BArt-Head

With sterling reputations and connections and history of executing properly. So you circle the teams and you circle the projects and, um, how do you get friendly 

BeavChris

with 

BArt-Head

the people who are distributing the token so that you get some.

There are different methods that you might do. So I posted this, or I casted this on Farcaster, saying that the likelihood of a token has increased over the past couple of weeks. And in my mind, it's about 5x higher than it used to be. So in reality 

BeavChris

What should one do? Do you, do, should we like, shit post more? Should we behave and get in line and do more streaks? Like, how do you make sure you don't get left out? 

BArt-Head

Yeah I think if you think that there will be a token drop, you should not be in the group of users who have put their blood, sweat and tears into growing the network who get banned or kicked out of such an allocation. 

And, you got to make sure you're in the right in-group and you're on the right side of the decision makers. And it's up to you to figure out who's the decision makers, and there are different projects, but you could become a fan of people who are trying to build alt clients, but if the airdrop is coming, not to the alt client users, but to the Warpcast users, that would change your decision making.

Now, I do want to clarify that there was a reply, there was one reply to my cast. Not many people saying, oh yeah, you're right, or not many people thinking, saying, no, you're wrong. I think it's 

BeavChris

because number one, even I'm like, have I seen that cast? And number two, was it written in such a cryptic way that no one understood it? 

BArt-Head

I wrote it very clearly. 

BeavChris

Oh, 

BArt-Head

okay. I said, the likelihood of a Warpcast Token Drop will be high. And, by the way, it will not be sent to Farcaster users. 

BeavChris

Oh, dang. That is scary that I did not see your cast. 

BArt-Head

You didn't see it, but someone did. And someone with a pretty wide distribution did see it and reply to it. So anybody who's following dwr.eth will see that he replied to my cast and I'll read out his response. 

BeavChris

Wow, that is scary. That I did not see at all then. Wow. 

BArt-Head

His response is there is no special incentive now or in the future for using Warpcast. So this was signed by dwr.eth. It's protected by all the crypto that protects our accounts on Farcaster or on Warpcast. 

He's verified his account with his ENS. So for someone to spoof such a cast would require you to have access to his ENS and that's protected. 

BeavChris

Yeah, that's real. 

BArt-Head

So this is from the real DWR, not from. 

BeavChris

Randomarrow. 

BArt-Head

Ran Domero, or not from dwp. eth, or randomerror. eth. This is from the real dwr.eth. So you can listen to either me or dwr. 

BeavChris

I say, Here's the thing, did he say warpcast and not farcaster? 

BArt-Head

He said warp, there is no special incentive now or in the future for using warpcast. 

BeavChris

So having worked in industries where people like me have to craft these sentences, then that leaves room for the tokens or whatever for using the protocol. 

Sure, you can lawyer read that statement. I don't think DWR is a lawyer, and I don't think he intends to, to make a very careful, carefully scripted statement. He intends, I think he intends to give a message that there's no incentive coming. I can see the clouds and predict that things are happening.

And he actually is the decision maker. So he has some say. He's one of two co-founders and he answers to investors. So my view is that the investor's needs are very heavy to have some team have a successful token distribution, and it behooves you to bet on those teams, on those different things in the sense of participating in the crypto industry's growth specifically in the United States, to the norm, to the crowd of normies, which, you know we mostly all hope for outside of some crazy punk

BeavChris

So I'm confused. So you're saying that there is no token now. 

BArt-Head

I'm saying currently there is no token, but, and DWR says there's no special incentive now or in the future for using Warpcast. I still think that the investors will push the Warpcast team to issue a token 

BeavChris

and 

BArt-Head

they will have to make a determination at that point, what to do, how to do it and how to pursue their own, personal advantage and what they're working for. Their own personal goals, their North star, et cetera. So because of the changes in the world around us, participating in Warpcast is, is a more positive way than before to. Get a little bit of hope for a future airdrop or a future token that may or may not come. 

BeavChris

I hope the audience doesn't feel like they just listened to 10 minutes of nothing burger.

BArt-Head

So my takeaway is that as we cheer for ETFs, the likelihood of a Warpcast token or a Farcaster token, whatever you want to call it, has increased in a similar way, in the same direction. The magnitude's maybe not the same.

BeavChris

I think okay, the reason why I'm, like, agreeing with this is because Kekkers has said something similar many times.

If you actually follow her Twitter accounts, of course, she says it very eloquently snarkily as usual. But I think she also thinks that there's this, my, in order to grow this place. We may not have a choice. So maybe in a way it's good that we're dipping right now. So for something interesting to happen so along the same lines 

BArt-Head

Investors have said the same thing like on the record, some Warpcast investors have said It is likely that there will be a token at some point. I'll point out too in traditional finance, People make claims about their plans all the time and they change them. Like, circumstances change. So there's, things change all the time. 

BeavChris

Speaking of things changing, I think maybe it's a good time for us to pull our sad in the green room, Justin onto the stage. Yeah, so let me do that. I hope I gave you plenty of heads up. Just welcome. Welcome. You are live. 

Justin

Can you hear me? 

BeavChris

I need to figure out where to put you. Yes. 

BArt-Head

Hi Justin, I can hear you. 

Justin

Sorry. I was playing framedl. Shout out ds8. 

BeavChris

So here's the thing. When someone's in the green room in StreamYard, I can see their face and I was like I can't tell whether Justin's falling asleep or really focused on something. So I'm glad you clarified that it was framedl though. 

Justin

I think it's Pro, so I'm not giving away anything. The second letter was Y, and I don't know what second letter Y works. What the hell is going on? I'm sorry, I don't have the wigs or anything. I do have a TLDR hat on right now at the moment. 

BeavChris

Very nice. Well, Yeah for sure. Welcome. Yeah, I think now is a great little segment to talk more about the Quidli drop, so Art take it away since you were the one pressing the buttons though. I've used it myself for one of our earlier channel raindrop thing. Do you call it raindrop or just a quidli drop? I wanna make sure I'm using the right terminology. 

Justin

Oh, I dunno if it's been accepted terminology, but we were trying to coin frame drop for a while, . 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. All right. All right. Frame drop from Quidli. And it was very easy to use. 

Justin

Oh, thank you. Oh, by the way, Art, um, it is a smart contract and it's more of a pass through. So it does go through the smart contract. But it's, we don't control that, obviously. 

BArt-Head

Cool. Yeah I think the wallets, some wallets will actually look through and tell you where it came from. And then some, most wallets will say it came from a smart contract. 

Justin

And it's still coming from you technically, but in the details you can see that it passes through our smart contract. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, it's cool. We used Quidli Frame Drop, I guess on the day that you announced it, for The BCBH Show. And we just dropped some, yeah, some $DEGEN that I wish we had back. 

BeavChris

Hey, 

BArt-Head

we dropped it on our channel followers back when the channel was half as big as before. And I think most of those followers did not know that we gave them money and they never said, yeah, I would say most of them, they never said thank you. And I think maybe most of them didn't even notice it. 

BeavChris

So here's an example of engineer versus marketer brain, because I had so many debates with art about this, where I was like, if you sneak some money into people's wallet without telling them a billion times, no one's going to know they received anything. Like most of the joy of these receiving these things, it's the notification, not the actual money. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. We're doing this now ourselves. By casting about it very often to the point where we might get flagged as spam, but that's okay because it's called marketing, not spam. But we did two drops today, one in ETH to our channel followers who have minted our episodes.

So that was a nice kind of combination filter. And then we did another drop, which like Justin, you can tell us that if we're the first to do this, we, we gated it on the channel followers who have locked $DEGEN in the Degen Vault and that was more people than the people who minted our episode.

So that allowed us to reach more people, but it did require them to, to lock some $DEGEN in order to receive some of this. 

Justin

Yeah, to my, it's for all intents and purposes, permissionless. Still on the front end, we need to enable the token, but the contract itself is permissionless. To my knowledge, I haven't dug through the contract this morning after you did it, but I don't think anyone else has used the LDEGEN before. Shout out $DEGEN community, when we're Jacek. Yassik? Jacek? Is, how did we say? 

BArt-Head

I'm saying Jacek. 

Justin

Okay, and then Wake. And there's like another guy now, right?

BArt-Head

Cadillion. 

Justin

Was he always there? I've only noticed him recently. I know who Cadillion is actually, but I didn't know that he was part of the Degen team. Shout out Orange DAO. 

BArt-Head

Oh yeah, he came from Orange. Maybe, we, Justin, you and I figured out how to do this. Because when you lock your $DEGEN in the $DEGEN vault, they actually give you an LDEGEN token, and that's an ERC 20.

So all we had to do is find the contract address and paste it into the Quidli frame as an ERC 20. So really shout out to permissionlessness, shout out to composability and shout out to on chain activities related to the $DEGEN ecosystem. 

Justin

I think it also says a lot about building openly, or at least collaborating openly. Because when Art first asked us to do this, about locked degen. We were like, oh, how could we like do a callback to the locked contract? Like how would we be able to know that it would stake? How could we make that connection? but then we like It was such a more simpler solution. We were trying to over engineer this solution and then Art was like, but yeah It's its own token.

You get back a token when you lock it up. And yeah, we didn't even have to do anything extra. We just pulled the smart contract address like normal for any ERC-20 filter that's always been available for the past few weeks. And yeah, that's simplified the entire, otherwise we were just like, how the hell are we gonna, it's going to take some time to be able to pull like a locked contract up in here.

But so yeah, openly, I think working together is also a shoutout. 

BArt-Head

Can you tell us a little bit more about Quidli? What we see is a frame and a really beautiful website. And what I see also is some of the, the user flows being very well thought out for specifically for a frame drop process. But Quidli clearly does more than frame drops. You've been working on it way before there was $DEGEN or frames. 

Justin

Yeah, I feel like in this portion, for people watching it, there should be like a The paid promotion thing somewhere here because obviously we sponsored, there's a, an organic tell us about, but yeah. We have, I always like when other people explain what we do because I think they have a better grasp and explain it much simpler than I do.

It turns out, like I was talking to Jacob yesterday and he was like, give me a one liner for what you did. And I sent him something and he was like, this sucks. And he came up with something much better without even, working on our product, talking to our users and stuff like that. But I guess the dumb, my way of explaining it is it's a web3 middle layer for like social and collaboration apps.

Yeah, it's a bit deeper than Farcaster. I didn't really show what I did on Farcaster prior to launching our frame because Yeah, 

BeavChris

You are all norm core and you only post norm core things. And it was actually really hard to figure out that you are a web 3 builder. 

Justin

Yeah. 

BeavChris

Justin unmasked. 

Justin

Yeah. This could all be a psyop. This isn't even just no, but yeah, we basically enable, I think $DEGEN tipping, but you can do it from Discord, you can do it from Slack, you can do it from Telegram and GitHub. So Farcaster was a great experiment because it was one of the first more fully non custodial, permissionless, decentralized, whatever buzzword you want to use, integrations we built.

And it's great to have a more crypto native web3 audience to build exclusively for on Farcaster because on our other integrations, we're always like straddling the line between like more normies and just like clear airdrop farmers and stuff like that. And so there always is more compromises in the architecture, which I think is a good thing.

I don't say that negatively, but maybe for some hardcore blockchain people, that's horrifying. It needs to be decentralized, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, we have a whole suite of integrations. Our most popular one is actually Discord particularly with non EVM L1s that just need a little extra utility in, in the Software they're using to coordinate and collaborate and stuff like that.

But yeah, increasingly we want to take the, the artlu, the crypto mullet approach. Whatever app in the front blockchain crypto web3 in the back, which I think is the more we believe is the more feasible path forward to better adoption, like Farcaster or Warpcast or maybe art doesn't think so.

BeavChris

Yeah, I really love how even in the telegram demo you showed me, it was so easy. You invite a bot and then you can set any emoji to mean any currency. So you send me a poop emoji and it meant one USDC and I was so excited to be pooped on. So I think there are lots of ways you can play around with the Quidli if you want. Especially if you are running a community to be able to reward and incentivize like community members in all sorts of ways. 

Justin

That's been like the major use case so far. We are more interested in like payments across the social graphs. Like not just a Farcaster social graph, but every kind of coordination collaboration app has a social graph.

It's a form of social graph, but yeah the use cases that have been grokked more immediately by users so far are like, yeah, community incentives and stuff like that. So if you go to our landing page, that's why people are always like, Oh, you're like a community tipping tool, but actually we're more like a social finance payments tool.

And it just happens to be that the biggest use cases today are community payments. 

BeavChris

So what's your ideal use case then? 

Justin

Oh, wow. That's a tough question. I didn't expect that from a paid segment. Um, I think longer term, the ideal use case is more complicated programmatic workflows where you can, start doing where you can do longer if- then scenarios where like completion of this or some degree of completion then determines the payout.

But I think those kinds of things, particularly for crypto with smart contracts, people talk about it like yeah, it's just on the cusp, it's going to happen, but it just requires a lot of integration and a lot of standardization of different behaviors and flows. And so it'll take a little longer, I think especially if you try to harmonize all the different tasks, software tools, level of completion results that, that can happen in any kind of given scenario. But yeah, ideally, that, those are the kind of payment workflows we'd like to do. But today, I'd say, 

Honestly, the, maybe this sounds like a cop out answer, but, any use of it is always exciting for us. We like seeing serious use cases like, Oh, you hold our NFT, like you qualify for the drop kind of thing. 

And even like dumb use cases like, Oh, you're holding this shitcoin. That's funny to me, please , I embrace, I know Art had this serious, Is that, does that qualify as a soliloquy?

He had a very serious discussion about anti, or I don't know if it's anti, but anti shitcoins. But yeah, for me, I like the Pandora's box that tokenization opens up and people can do, obviously it sucks with the whole scam part of it, but it's just interesting the different things that people can build. 

BeavChris

Yeah, so definitely reach out to Justin if you have any interesting, complex interactions that you want to do with your community members or folks, other folks as well. Thank you so much, Justin. I'm gonna, I'm gonna boot you off now very politely. 

Justin

Oh, but one thing I'd also like to note is that I've met both of you in real life, while neither of you have ever met each other in real life.

BeavChris

Oh, that is true! 

Justin

I just think that's very funny. 

BeavChris

That is very funny. I feel like you're the best at that. Globetrotting and meeting a lot of these, of actually, folks in the chat. Many of you've met. I've seen the photos and been jealous before. So thanks for being our Farcaster ambassador in your spare time.

Justin

Yeah. Yeah, please. No, my pleasure. And I hope Art doesn't leave. I know, I think the things he says are legitimate, but at the same time, Yeah, still it's fun and we can still hang out like this and not have to, I mean I always don't pay attention to the serious part of this app anyways. Like it's always just fun to F A F O.

Is it F A F O or F A F O? Do you say F A F O or should you just say fuck around find out? 

BArt-Head

I guess you could Fafo. 

BeavChris

Exactly. 

Justin

Yeah. Don't leave. Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Cool. Thank you for joining us, Justin. It's been our pleasure to have you on here. 

Justin

Yeah. Thanks for having me. I guess even though I paid for it. 

BArt-Head

Yes it's been our pleasure to take your money onchain through, by the way, it was mainnet!

You asked if you could pay us on mainnet, I said, all right 

BeavChris

Wow 

Justin

It should tell you how long I've been in crypto, like my, most of my shit. Most of my shit coining has been on mainnet. Gosh 

BeavChris

Thank you so much. And yeah, i'm gonna remove you from the stage for now and we'll see you around. 

Peace. All right. So now we're running on to the Bart has favorite things about his Warpcast experience, which by the way, when I saw the, though, that in the notes, I thought this is like one of those filler episodes in a sitcom, where they do like the flashbacks of various things in the past or something.

But yeah, can you do a relative lightning round of all your favorite things? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I wanted to make sure to give proper time on my farewell tour to the great things that I've loved and really deeply enjoyed on Farcaster and to highlight, to elevate and highlight some projects. because this week, especially with Justin here, I wanted to be positive and talk about shit coins and airdrops and making lots and lots of money.

And save the negatives or the regrets for next week. But I listed

BeavChris

Don’t trauma dump with our special guests next week, please. 

BArt-Head

The more people that trauma dump on the better. So I listed four things and, and I wanted to shout them out. Just coming into Farcaster and Warpcast and finding some really unique thinkers and human beings that have brought things into the world that, that would not have existed otherwise.

The first is FarCats, the NFT collection by 0xen. It was an early AI generated collection, very high effort. And there's a lot of lore around it. A lot of it written by Cameron, who's a great writer and lore collector. 

BeavChris

I didn't know that. 

BArt-Head

And 0xen like put a lot of thinking into it. He's shared different things on, on Farcaster about the background of it, as well as his unique artistic perspective on what it's doing.

But it, it was also thought of as a decentralized mascot for Farcaster. And much like cats, they go wherever they want. If you tell a cat, don't do this, the cat doesn't listen to you necessarily. And yeah, the FarCats are fucked up. If you look at some of them, they're really shocking.

And I, I just really love the artistic expression that went into it as well as the intention of making it a decentralized mascot for our community. The second, the favorite thing, so I have four, the second favorite thing is two podcasts that kind of opened the doors for us. One is called GMFarcaster.

That's Nounishprof and Adrienne. They went all in on Farcaster to launch a media business, where they both left their jobs to do this, and it really opened the gates for many of us to see what would be possible. The second one is BNFarcaster, Buenas Noches Farcaster. By Ray F and What's Good Al .Two guys who are also OGs in the Farcaster community, who speak Spanish, with a real flair and style on their podcast. The emphasis on BN Farcaster is very different from GM Farcaster. And it's very different from BCBH Show. I watched where they were going and deliberately tried to steer BCBH Show somewhere different because I just felt we could not do it with as much style as those two gentlemen. 

So GM Farcaster is on Unlonely and YouTube and Spotify. BN Farcaster is on YouTube and I believe Spotify. I'm not sure. And they have a channel, /bnfarcaster. It's a, it's lively. They have so many more views than us and it's quite impressive how, how they're building a Spanish speaking community, which even though a lot of their episodes are in English, which is really really 

BeavChris

Oh, I did not know that. Okay. Cause I was going to ask, like, how can we enjoy it? We don't speak Spanish. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. There's large portions of it that are in English, but the, sorry, large portions are in Spanish, but they flip back and forth into English plenty of times, especially with their guests. So the third thing I wanted to highlight was some, the rise of some viable alt clients to Farcaster.

Farquest, FarQuest Pro has been around for a very long time, but just either last week or the week before they announced that their Android native app and iOS native app are also wallets. So I've changed my PFP to the FarQuest PFP away from the goose. Okay. And I 

BeavChris

is that what that cat is? 

BArt-Head

Yes. It's, it's the far.quest cat.

BeavChris

Oh. 

BArt-Head

And you can, when you log in, you can choose between five or eight different colors. 

And, the new thing about it is that I am using my Warpcast private seed phrase to access my Warpcast signer in Farquest Pro, which means there is no signer associated with Farquest. And in fact, to the network, it is entirely, you can't tell whether I'm casting from Warpcast or Farquest Pro when I go in that way. 

If I go in through the Farquest Pro sign on process, so that they're very normie friendly and they offer many different paths. And maybe it's a little confusing, but if I go through the normal signer process. Sorry, the normal onboarding process. I get a new account and they create things for me.

And I pay for a signer, which distinguishes my casts as coming from Farquest. And it shows up in Dune dashboards, et cetera. Another thing I can do is I can mint an NFT and not pay for storage and still participate in the Farcaster ecosystem just on the L2. So people in Warpcast will never see my cast, but I never pay for storage.

And Nico and JC, by way of the Farquest Labs, they pay for the storage on an L2. This alt client is pretty complicated, pretty deeply technical, but they are very normie forward and normie first. And it's quite quite impressive to see. That I could cast from FarQuest and it will never show up in the stats.

It's showing up from Far Quest. It looks just like a Warpcast account.

BeavChris

Can you ask, is it a different chain? 

BArt-Head

Nope. It's, it works on the hubs. They actually have this thing called a superhub, which I learned about this week, which combines the L one and L two. So the, all of your Farcaster accounts are on the same smart contracts on OPChain as your Warpcast accounts. 

BeavChris

And also speaking of nostalgia, this is how we met. I remember this is our first conversation ever, was about you describing a true world. 

BArt-Head

So Christin, have you tried FarQuest? 

BeavChris

Yeah, and then you were telling me there's all these people who are talking who see us, but we never see them. It was actually from FarQuest. So 

BArt-Head

JC said they have 80,000 DAU. We're talking about the 4,000 some Power Badge holders on Warpcast. There are 80,000 DAU using Farcaster through far.quest Pro. And my comment is those numbers, you can discount them if you want, discount them by 90% or 99%.

But there are real things going on in Far Quest. And if you want to see the next kind of mass of accounts or activity to come to Farcaster. You should probably study FarQuest because that's probably where people are testing things out and

BeavChris

so we log in Is it like a lot of airdrop discussions? What is actually happening over there? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I should leave it to people to make their own judgments, I might. My view is no, what's the point of talking about airdrops on FarQuest? When you're not being seen by the people who need to see you. 

BeavChris

Okay, 

BArt-Head

people are doing, they're doing different things. You

BeavChris

And Geoff asked, are both far.quest devs anonymous, 

BArt-Head

sorry. The FarQuest devs are JC Denton and Nico. He shared his last name before. They have a channel called Who Am I? Which is, which is quite interesting. It's a, it straddles the line between Anon and Fully doxxed people. 

They've shared their career backgrounds as well. Pretty openly. They're serious, serious actors. 

BeavChris

All right, Geoff, I can see this is a new, Please report back with your skills. What's going on there? I'm giving Geoff homework. 

BArt-Head

My third topic is viable alt clients. Farquest is one of them, and I have four again. The second one is Firefly, which is one of two major alt clients that straddles Farcaster, Lens, and Twitter. 

After I leave Farcaster, I plan to stay on Firefly, because I have a Lens account, I have a Farcaster account, I have an X account. And Firefly comes from the Mask Network. I really respect their founder, Suji, who recently went on I think it was on Twitter, but it may have been on Farcaster, in a really strong response to Two Bit Idiot, Ryan Selkis on one of the, one of the Twitter beefs that blew up. But I find them to be really thoughtful and longtime builders in the space.

The third thing is Lunch Break, who sponsored us for a couple of episodes, and from Borodutch and Jason Kim. It's another interesting alt client which combines your social graph on Farcaster with your accounts on LinkedIn, on Instagram, on Twitter and it's along the lines of Read Write Own and owning your social graph.

And also there's something big dropping in August, which it's not too late to get in on it. And the fourth one is Wildcard, which is a project from defikaran, which is fairly new, but they have, they're tipping forward. They're global forward. They've just announced native Chinese and Korean, like translations in the app.

And they have open conversations that welcome people to, to join in without worrying about Power Badge or being subdued by the algo. 

BeavChris

Wildcard is the one with the native voice note DCs, right? 

BArt-Head

That's right. They're shipping very fast. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I can see how that really works for native Asian languages. Parents, right? Voice note is how you receive messages anyway instead of typing. Yes. 

BArt-Head

Yes. But they have translations too, which is really fascinating. So if you want to see what people are saying, if you have that curiosity about the world, about decentralized social, they are making it easy rather than saying, no, Warpcast is for English, like this is a place where if you don't speak English, it doesn't make sense for you. We're not going to invite you here. Wildcard is a different path, and I'm very excited about that. 

The final and maybe the most important and most foundational one to me is the $DEGEN project. And to me, $DEGEN is the beating heart and soul of Farcaster.

Everything else is is subsumed within it. And for me, the hat stays on. It's in my ENS. And I've locked, I haven't locked the max because I had, I also had concerns about pricing out people. So I'm a small locker. They have this really fascinating thing called crucible, which is controversial. Like some,

BeavChris

is that the Dedegen thing? 

BArt-Head

That's Dedegen. Yes. So there is a decentralized group of special accounts who get to Dedegen, and it's all on, it's all onchain, it's on Dune, it's in a dashboard, it's composable, there's cast actions that individuals have permissionless-ly built, to Dedegen, where if five of the moderators or, we'll call them, we'll call them moderators, Dedegen, a tip, It invalidates that tip and there's definitely a 

BeavChris

Is that where that hall monitor thing came from. Is this related 

BArt-Head

basedkarbon who was a pretty intensive user of Farcaster and participant in tipping games has gone on X to complain about $DEGEN, about these guys are just hall monitors. And I see some of the other tipping coins with very centralized curation. I also see $DEGEN in the past as a very centralized curation. And I see within the $DEGEN community a lot of call for Jacek to ban bad actors. 

And Jacek has firmly said, no, to be decentralized you have to remove him, your dependence on individual actors, on individuals, such as himself. And he wants to try out the tipping mechanism if he removes himself from being a key player in, in curation, which is an elevation of good content process, mainly, but it also has to come with a stick or some punishment for bad actors.

And so the crucible, which is a channel, is an open space for the Dedegen holders to discuss and come to some conclusion. Wake has called it a meat computer, which is 

BeavChris

Like a mentat? 

BArt-Head

Yes. A mentat. [Ed. note: neither of them seem to know what's a mentat] He calls it a, he said, let the meat computer work which is just the minds, the humans that participate in Dedegen. Can be allowed some framework. You might call it a proto DAO, but it's even looser than most DAOs to make determinations with certain limited powers. And it's interesting to see it play out. They gave the curation power to different people, including some that don't lock their $DEGEN, which to me is quite interesting.

BeavChris

Oh, really? Okay. That, that, that sounds a little shady. 

BArt-Head

Yeah it's a eye opening and I like it a lot that, it's, you're giving the, you're not holding on tightly to the powers, but you're giving it to see what happens. I also think, people are wondering why there's a 10K cap on tip allocations.

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

The 10k cap, especially with the price so low, gives you a lot of room to play and make mistakes. If you can imagine that people staked, tens of thousands of dollars and got tens of thousands of dollars of value to tip. It'd be harder to justify 

BeavChris

I see it's like a keeps the playground safe kind of thing.

BArt-Head

Yeah, it's you're taking steps in the right sequence to try to get to a final goal, which, I think a lot of projects in our space are doing, but the $DEGEN project is working through lots of controversy now over is this group going to turn into hall monitors?

Do people want to be hall monitors? And there's definitely some that want to be hall monitors, just like, you know, in a society of police and some are heroes and some are real dicks. How do you juggle that? Do you have an internal affairs department? Do you have things? 

BeavChris

Who will hall monitor the hall monitor?

BArt-Head

That's right. Do you have body cams? 

BeavChris

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I stole that from someone. 

BArt-Head

Yes. You've been thinking about the Romans. Yeah, the Crucible is an open space for people to talk. And Burr, who's a leader amongst a group of $DEGEN fans and Farcaster fans, she was given the Dedegen thing and she posted a very loud and long, thoughtful message.

Reason why she's declining. And that got her a ton of engagement, which is fascinating. And like you can choose to play for engagement along those lines. And you can choose to participate, you can choose not to participate, and even the people who are given it, they don't have to do anything. It's not, I don't think it's going to be taken away if you don't do anything. 

BeavChris

So I, at first I was like, oh no, because every once in a while I do pop in the /degentokenbase channel to see what's going on. And I was like, oh no, there's like things, there's disagreement. But I have to really think about how polite is everyone's disagreements. And also everyone makes a great point.

I think Jacek has a really hard job because as I think you pointed on a previous episode, right, in a way this season does cater to the whales and it's, there's different camps and if you favor some population, then the other population is going to complain, and there's no way to make everybody happy. But I think it's like how you say it is so tricky because in a way, Jacek is more direct than the Merkle team when things go wrong, which in a way is more like straightforward and good in a way, but it also like hurts people's feelings a bit more. So I think it's interesting to see different kinds of leadership. 

BArt-Head

Since it's our show, I want to add in my view, is that this season hurts the whales more than it hurts the little people. That cap of 10k is a really strong tax on whales, and you find the whales who are willing to pay that tax. I think there's, that's the point of putting a tax.

I can see the view of people without the resources to put in a lot, of saying, Oh, like you, you're benefiting the people with the resources, but let's look at the real whales out there. They have not locked. And that's, that's interesting. I think the biggest lockers are the people who received $DEGEN early and held on.

And that's different from the people who bought, the whales who put in like lots of capital. I look at the capital movement. I don't see that capital is being put to bear to steal 10k of tips or 10k of tips per day multiplied by whatever, 7 or 15. 

BeavChris

I'm just hoping that the next season will have UBI for us minnows or something. Just to make up the difference. 

BArt-Head

So my drop Was meant as a UBI. If you lock one $DEGEN, I don't know what the minimum was. If you locked a thousand $DEGEN, you got dropped the same as the guy who locked 15 million. 

So the Quidli frame drop mechanism is built to, to be fair. Like, the filter says, have you locked? Do you hold this token? It doesn't ask how much you hold. It doesn't give you an option to give more to the people who hold more of the ERC 20. It just says, did you lock a de minimus amount of $DEGEN? So I would encourage, the way I see the end state that I see, is that the $DEGEN lock is a low threshold for participation.

It can be 10,000 $DEGEN, which was the threshold before, but now it's even lower, right? The threshold has just gotten lowered from 10,000 to whatever the minimum size is of the smart contract. And that, that opens it up to even more people. And at the end state, if tools like Quidli enable communities and projects to reach $DEGEN aligned individuals for pro social marketing, then that produces a kind of UBI, it produces a pretty fair outcome. 

It's more fair than requiring you to have to hold 10,000 in your wallet to participate. You can lock five hundred for three months or, check the exact terms, but you can lock the minimum and participate in the airdrops that may or may not come at exactly the same level as someone who's locked in 15 million. 

BeavChris

Yeah. I guess the conclusion is hang on to your shit coins because you don't know what might come. So thank you so much all for joining. We're at the top of the hour. We will let you go. So thanks again to our sponsor Quidli. Go check out Justin's tools, see how it can be useful for your projects.

And of course, like our show notes and everything will list all of the BArt's favorite things if you want to check out all these fun alt clients. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Shout out to our permissionless partners Unlonely for letting us stream. To Base for building a great decentralized and cheap democratized chain. To Zora for making our mints easy, Paragraph for hosting our blogs. To Drakula for our short form video clips. SeemoreTV for combining our presence and events for providing our notifications and our schedules. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for joining our chat. 

BeavChris

Take care. See you next week on Tuesday. Bye. 

BArt-Head

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BeavChris

Yeah, I nagged @matthew when we were playing Dominion to hurry it up with the channel notifications, but as he just launched the I think the cast, casting, composing embed. So he's been busy working on the other parts as well. 

BArt-Head

So welcome to the show. We do have a special sponsor today.

Which is the Humankind candle subscription from our friend @samantha. We will hit that somewhere in the middle of the show. Yes. 

BeavChris

Alright. What trouble have you gotten into this week? We're so low key today. We actually just finished talking about political stuff, it was very riled up, and every time we hit go live, we're like, oh, we gotta stop. So yeah, so it's a non farcaster topic, but yeah Art, what, you wrote here, /new-york, again, as an example. What is the trouble? 

BArt-Head

You always think there's trouble, but New York City is a pretty big place and I saw it coming through as a common thread in many conversations on Farcaster this week, particularly how diverse and messy New York City is and yet successful. It's also pretty awful in many ways, and yet people like to be in New York City, and there are lots of opinions about it from, first, from people who don't live here, so that New York City is very polarizing. It's to some people, it's an aspiration. And to some people, it's an example of how not to live. For people who live here, there is a huge love hate relationship with it. We bear some common suffering of things ranging from just dog poop on the streets, everywhere you walk.

BeavChris

Man, there's plenty of that in San Francisco. 

BArt-Head

Right.

BeavChris

Dog and human poop. 

BArt-Head

I think there's more human poop in San Francisco, you can go to other great cities in the world where people love their dogs and they live in cities. And there's not poop all over the road. But on top of that 

BeavChris

Is this an analogy for Farcaster? 

BArt-Head

Yes. I didn't make the analogy, but one of our friends or one of our common mutuals said that for Farcaster to succeed, it should strive to be like New York City, which has a real competition of ideas. It's a chance for the highest performers of the world to come and reach an audience and practice their craft at the highest levels.

So let's say you're a musician and you want to perform on the street. You probably go to LA or New York to perform on the street. And it probably maybe depends slightly on your job or your goals. You might go to Nashville. You might go to Austin, Texas. But you want to go somewhere where there's an audience of people who are supportive. There's other musicians who can challenge you and you can find collaborators. And there's an audience that's discerning.

So you probably wouldn't go to Branson, Missouri, unless you were paid to go, to enhance your craft, or you wouldn't go to a cruise ship to enhance your craft. You do that to get paid. But you come to New York City and you live in a walkup, get three roommates and you improve your craft. And that applies to standup comedy too. You might not go straight to L. A. or New York. 

BeavChris

No, you gotta cut your, you gotta suffer in the Comedy Cellar or whatever it is. That famous New York club. 

BArt-Head

No, so you gotta, at some point, I think you have to come to New York. Bill Burr started off in Boston. And if he had stayed in Boston, he would have become a Boston comic. But Bill Burr now is a, just, he is a comic, he's not a Boston comic. And he came to New York and he performed in black rooms. He would go up to Harlem, then go down to the Village, then go somewhere else, all in one night, and eat total shit in the black rooms, but he would get better. And I think yeah, that's 

BeavChris

That's true. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to inform you that the Farcaster experience is Palo Alto, California, and not New York City. 

BArt-Head

I've been to Palo Alto. My sister lives near there, so we have family there.

BeavChris

Oh yeah.

BArt-Head

And my parents were just there last week. It is a very different experience. And like you say, you ask yourself is Farcaster like X place or Y place, and you compare it with different things.

And I think it's aspirational for our little decentralized social network to become a great city. And New York is just one example. There are other great cities that have become that way in very particular patterns. Yeah, that's been on my mind pretty heavily, just looking at the experience that we have and comparing it with /new-york. 

Successful cases of humans combining to create untold value as well as to add to the world. 

BeavChris

So is this related to you being annoyed at the fact that the, there's still spam labeling, unfortunately experienced by someone in the Japanese community and you can almost check it. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, this morning there was a post half in English, half in /japanese saying you can have a power badge and have a spam label. So, um, you know, there was a lot of push from the grassroots community. To say, please spread the power badge more broadly. This would be good for Farcaster. This would be good for Warpcast. This would be good for the community. And there was a lot of cheering that different people were getting power badges and there was, 

BeavChris

@pichi runs that Power Hour. There's powerhouse, 

BArt-Head

There's Power Hour, there's /powermonday, there's /powerless. There's, what's the Japanese group? The /invisible-ones. There's lots of groups of people who have taken it on themselves to help others. This is 100 percent a positive thing. This is self empowerment, self-sovereignty to say, I have a power badge. I've been delegated some power to endow and share this power to people that I want to have it. And they're discovering that they were able to give the power and then 

BeavChris

was thinking this is because they are phasing, they are actually secretly phasing out, or not so secretly phasing out the power badge thing. And then moving to this AI spam filtering thing. And as usual, people are caught in the crosshairs when they are, the AI doesn't know any better. 

BArt-Head

Not everyone, not just anyone, some people are a hundred percent not caught in the crosshairs. 

BeavChris

Yeah, like people who are speaking English and behaving like a Palo Alto person, this is not. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, if you are working at a VC firm and you open a Warpcast account or a Farcaster account, you will most likely not get caught in the crosshairs, and that's a sign of what is really going on. The power badge was pitched as a way of a community emergent way of establishing social status and hierarchy and value and freedom of reach or the right of reach and distribution and to see that somebody can get a power badge and be labeled as a spammer.

It's partly a kind of an orthogonality engineering problem, but it's also a signal of the thinking behind it, which is that the team is quite accepting of stepping on people's necks or kicking people in the nuts because they are pursuing a particular form of discourse, community environment. 

And I come back to New York City. If somebody walks around New York and tells people to be quiet or to give them personal space. I've done this. I've said, give me my personal space. And I immediately get five people shouting me down saying, come on, man, you're in New York City. Get a grip. You're a, you're an adult, right?

Like I've done this. I said, Hey, like you shoved me and you get five people like, come on we're all just, we're all in this together. There's no need to make a big fuss. Like it was innocent. Don't get all worked up. So like it is, it's a part of rubbing shoulders with people of different backgrounds and habits, which at some point you find valuable.

And at some point. Maybe you don't find value. Yeah, that's heavy on my mind. Let me think 

BeavChris

okay. So in the past now I count down maybe till the end of the month, Art has been looking for a reason to not leave Farcaster and I feel like, Oh this chart is not looking good. I can only say it going down right now. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, it's going down. Somebody mentioned, I think yesterday that Donald Trump should come to Farcaster. He should build TruthSocial on top of Farcaster, and I think that's a reasonable, real question to grapple with. How close are we or how possible is it that this happens? And the real honest answer is that Truth Social has a something like a 10x valuation to Warpcast. It also has somewhere between 5x and 20x of daily average users. And it probably has fewer outages. TruthSocial is an uncensorable platform by the way that they advertise themselves. And in reality, 

BeavChris

yeah, 

BArt-Head

who knows, like with everything that comes from Trump, it's there's aspiration and then there's reality. And 

BeavChris

@jrf Jacob in the chat asks, Is Art going to move over to Truth Social? Is this, where is this going? 

BArt-Head

So that is a possibility, because if I want to be in the arena, where should I go? Should I go to my little friends, five, 500. 

BeavChris

In a sense, like how Biden has an account on Truth Social. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Yeah. It's if I want to be actually testing my my views with skin in the game and being in the arena, what does it do for me to have 500 fawning friends? Making little in jokes. Now, this is a, I was also a little salty about these, these parody accounts, one of them is simping the other, 

BeavChris

yeah, one of them is simping the other, 

BArt-Head

it's a horrible beta energy. 

BeavChris

Because they are coordinating? 

BArt-Head

No, it's a one way coordination, it's, yeah, so it's what's the governor of Florida chasing Trump's approval. [editor: DeSantis]

BeavChris

Oh, 

BArt-Head

one of them is not, I don't even remember his name, but 

BeavChris

Okay, so a @randomerror.eth Ran Domero is the new popular kid. And then the @dwp Dana Pumpelo and the other one are less, they are earlier attempts, but less popular now. They're trying to ride the wave of popularity, right?

BArt-Head

Yeah. Whatever it is, it's a bit of circle jerk humor. I don't see the point. I think it's, it's playing to the crowd. It's, they're definitely playing to the OGs. 

BeavChris

Okay. I guess this proves that Art is not one of these accounts due to his extreme, terrible rating. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna /poop on all of the parody accounts. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Especially the beta one. It was, uh, who's simping after the other saying, Hey man, come be my friend. Let's work together. The other one's just ignoring him. He's got a little bit of Trump energy. 

BeavChris

Okay. Like the, people are, as usual, discriminated. We have these, 

BArt-Head

by the way, I love, I loved one cast, which came from @king. Who is an anon, who shared his trolling energy of DWR where it's like this Cholo making a, mugging the camera and then this big guy walking over, the cholo running away, like trying to play all tough. 

And I think that's a human energy, but hiding behind a parody account, not your own account, like that's fine. As long as you make it, you're using that anonymity for some positive change and real energy. It's early, but I don't see it. And in fact, Dana Pumpelo was asking for ideas. Hey, what should I do next? I've got this account. What should I do? And I thought, dude, it's you've had your account for one month and you're out of ideas. And then five minutes later, he's launching a shit coin. 

BeavChris

Oh that was a shitcoin. Oh 

BArt-Head

no, it's not launched yet. He's launching it. It's nihilist in the same way that certain other of these meme coins have been nihilist.

BeavChris

And yeah, like I, I always try to say Parody account to shitcoin pipeline. I do have to agree. We have such pipelines here. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So if this is what 

BeavChris

By the way, there's no shitcoin for The BCBH Show. I want to say out of some like /higher idealistic or ideological reason, but it's because someone's an accredited trader. I cannot even make any of these jokes. 

BArt-Head

Hey, "someone". Let me jump straight to your question. How can we improve the feed? I have two pieces, a short term and a long term, and they're related. And there's a question in the chat. Are the viewers also supposed to wear wigs? And the answer is 100 percent yes.

This is tied into my, to my proposal. A decent proposal. So the first point about how to improve the feed is, @kenny is right. Now, maybe people don't know this, but, or they don't know this yet, but Kenny is right. Kenny is basically always right. 

BeavChris

Yes, I do agree Kenny is more, more right than, most people, most of the time.

BArt-Head

Kenny is right. period.

BeavChris

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know whether you all follow Kenny, if not, like he's a founder of Pics Or It Didn't Happen. And he's been posting very consistently about the need for chronological feed. However, that's a sad part. I'll 

BArt-Head

You keep calling it chronological feed. It's a reverse chron feed.

BeavChris

Oh, reverse chron feed. Correct. But I think the sad part is that he's probably muted by the Merkle team. 

BArt-Head

Whatever it is, Kenny is right. A reverse chron feed solves this, and he has very good reasons for why he says this. His conclusion, and I agree with it, is that there is not enough good content for an AI to find, discriminate, and highlight things. Because the AI is highlighting mid and outdated stuff because there's not stuff to highlight.

So until you have enough, it's too early. So a reverse chron feed at least gives you timely takes, even if they're like disposable, but there's no point in highlighting evergreen content because like, where are the, where are the Memes, videos, medium term content that actually survive the test of time and can be appreciated for their deep insight or production value or entertainment value. 

There's maybe in the history of Farcaster, a hundred of them. Is the AI going to just keep recycling them, or is it going to try to recycle two day old mid takes that on other social networks would be considered, like, absolutely forgettable. So that's the short term is a reverse chron feed would solve some of the kind of unappealing nature of the feed by way of just being real time in the way that watching a live opera is fascinating.

Watching live sporting events, chatting about live sporting events is really entertaining, even if the sport is not good or the performance is not world class. Now, that's the short term. In the long term, this is something that I realized more than a year and a half ago. And I had a very short conversation with Brendan, our friend, jianbing.eth.

BeavChris

Oh yes, used to be bc-zip.eth. 

BArt-Head

He still is bc-zip.eth, but he, he identifies as a jianbing. 

BeavChris

Which is a piece of fried, fried dough for those who don't speak Chinese. 

BArt-Head

It's a delicious piece, and classic, of dough. Yeah. Oh, I asked him, where are all the drag queens? And he was good enough to point me to a channel.

There's a, I think by the way, Christin, I think you're confusing youtiao with jian bing. 

BeavChris

I know. The moment I typed on it, I was like, yes, I know that the Chinese donut usually refers to youtiao. Okay. I know.

BArt-Head

The youtiao is a cruller, which is like a, it comes from the Germans that came to China, and the jianbing predates that. It's a piece of wheat that gets either pan fried or baked. [Ed. note: BArt-Head's culinary etymology is suspect. In Cantonese, the name of the dish is actually a protest against a traitorous Song Dynasty official and his wife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtiao] Anyway, 

BeavChris

Yes, I know I'm very familiar with northern Chinese and I'm aware of their strange delicacies. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, oh, you mean like noodles and dumplings? 

BeavChris

Yeah, they freaking love noodles and they don't like the rice. It is so strange to me as a southern Chinese person. 

BArt-Head

Southern Chinese people must have rice at every meal. Or else. 

BeavChris

Yeah, they don't do that. And all they eat is cabbage and pork and lamb. There's not a lot of variety in the Northern cusine. I don't have enough viewers from there for me to create a little bit of hate. 

BArt-Head

So where are the drag queens? And when I entered Web3, one of my best friends was my age, is a very good looking man who likes to wear dresses and makeup and perform in drag shows and he's a superb developer and he shares his, he shares his code and he shares his drag shows on Twitter. And I invited him to Farcaster.

I said, look, this is better than Twitter. It's much greater. He politely declined. He's not interested in, as a drag queen, he does not want to perform to an audience of Christian rap enthusiasts. I think I've mulled over it for more than a year. I think I've mulled over it for more than a year. Why don't drag queens want to be here?

And it's not that I am a drag queen expert, but I know where there are drag queens, there are also things that I enjoy. 

BeavChris

There are issues that we don't have good video support, but the thing is, according to the latest Dan request for how to fix video, which I totally jumped on, that might change.

And then that might make it a more, friendly format for more visual type of performance. 

BArt-Head

Do you think that a drag queen has ever been held back by grainy video or poor UX? That's not a problem. A drag queen is not gonna say, I'm not going to be myself because, it's, there's two clicks to get to my video, not just one.

BeavChris

Okay. This is an issue for all performers here, right? 

BArt-Head

It's a stand in for performance. It's a stand in for content creation. It's a stand in for art. Yeah, of all kinds of performance art. There are definitely real cool stuff. 

BeavChris

You know what does really well here is takes. I think takes have an outsized attention engagement sort of thing. People like words with edgy takes. 

BArt-Head

Maybe, yeah, it's a wordcel place, which is a little bit strange. It's a wordcel place 

BeavChris

yeah, exactly.

BArt-Head

It's a little bit strange for a place full of devs, because devs tend to be shape rotators and not wordcels. But I don't think takes play better here than on Reddit or Twitter. 

BeavChris

Oh yeah, for sure. In terms of everything you can possibly do on this platform, if you are new, the way to get people's attention is with a take. 

And I think @dawufi recently released his report based on talking to 70 people, the top 9 things you can do on Farcaster to grow, which I think most of it is like, standard and like Twitter growth hack type stuff.

BArt-Head

I read that. I thought it was great. 

BeavChris

So I think when I 

BArt-Head

it's always been a retort about people who are not getting distribution, that it's a skill issue, right? But, and yes, you can cast better. 

BeavChris

So don't you think your wanting to leave Farcaster is a skill issue? 

BArt-Head

No! Like a hundred percent no. I have pretty strong confidence in my skills. I don't need more enforcement to let me know that my skill is high level. So it is not a skill issue. It is a, it's an extrapolation of 

BeavChris

The chat says you're coping. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. And coping as well. Yes. Fine. But the only way to differentiate between cope and reality is to test it. It's not to hide in a comfortable, cozy space. 

BeavChris

So isn't literally leaving hiding in a comfortable cozy space like, I'm generally asking this not even as an attempt to tag my burn, but be like how is leaving going to help?

BArt-Head

Yeah I think you underestimate how comfortable I am casting on Farcaster and wearing a wig on camera. You underestimate my comfort level with this particular place in time. Oh, 

BeavChris

I know. If you don't have the disease that I have where you're really trying to make it there's no reason to be on Farcaster at all. Just live a happy life elsewhere. 

BArt-Head

Speaking of trying to make it and and also, being happy on Farcaster, we should mention someone who I admire for trying to make it and trying to to live a happy life on Farcaster, on Unlonely as well, on many different platforms, building in public. often sharing insights.

And that's our sponsor for this week, our friend @samantha Sam Chai. 

BeavChris

Yes. What a transition. I wasn't expecting that. Our sponsor today is Sam's Humankind Candles. So she was very kind to send me some by mail and they were so carefully packaged which is a little necessary because they are very delicately made, as you can see here.

With the iridescent, opulent. I forgot what's the word, Sam, that you used to describe this glass. But you can see here, it's just not an ordinary transparent sort of glass. Iridescent, that's the word. And you can see here, yeah over here, this beautiful marble pattern with the fancy pants wooden wick.

So I think this is definitely something that you can purchase for yourself or for loved ones on Humankind website. Which is humankind.place or you can check the /humankind channel. So that's slash humankind. And I also want to show you it's a little bit easier to see in this other edition that is, has the iridescent but more transparent glass that they are dual layered.

So you get two different kinds of candle scent and color in one candle, like getting two different scoops of ice cream on the same ice cream cone. And this one comes in a lid as well, so you can store it really nicely. And what I love about these candles is that Sam did not cheap out on the amount of fragrance in here.

So oftentimes I can even just leave it open in a place when I don't, in, in summer it's a little bit tougher to burn candles, but even without burning it, you get the benefits of a scented candle to make a place smell nice, which is really necessary for my home because my wife is often dragging in dirt and like smelling from fishing. So I need this in order to survive in my environment. 

Thank you so much to our sponsor. And also I need to mention that there is a /hypersub for this candle. So that's where you can get a subscription for these candles and you can have delightful surprises throughout the year.

And until August 3rd if you sign up for the /hypersub, you will get discounts on other creators, Hypersubs on here, including @yb, @priyanka, and @loriann as shared discounts. So this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to hit up all the creators on Farcaster. See, we are like /new-york. We have all these creators who are selling their wares. 

BArt-Head

It is incredible to see her attempts to build a business which is infused with Sam's authenticity and personality with the thoughtful touches, including the quality, the craftsmanship, the thoughtfulness about the packaging, the two different kinds so that you actually can see the colors. it's yeah, this is one of the great things about the Farcaster Community is that there is ingenuity, innovation, working with crypto to build real value in this world. 

BeavChris

And the best thing I like about the /hypersub is you get to subscribe, you get to be in the /humankind group chat. And Sam is constantly posting building in public type of posts. So it's if you want to learn how to build a business, like Sam's already a masterclass in doing that within the crypto rails.

So that is also worth the subscription alone. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, thank you so much to our sponsor, Humankind. 

BeavChris

So I feel as usual, by the end of your segment, I end up with, okay Art has complained. He's hit the complain button. And so far, it seems like nothing has changed in the direction that he wants. And he's still gonna vote with his feet and leave us and maybe return as an Anon or not. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, most likely not. I will stay for the the rest of the show. So season two, six episodes. This is a little bit of a prolonged diva farewell tour. Thank you all for, for listening. 

BeavChris

I'm still okay. I, as I'm like naively optimistic about this. I still think that you will change your mind. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. 

BeavChris

But sadly, it's gonna be based on the Dune DAU dashboard, which I cannot, I have no influence over. But if something happens suddenly we get a massive influx of new people that new change mind. 

BArt-Head

I'm pretty sure that if there, if that does happen, @geoffgolberg will send me so many messages. 

BeavChris

About what? 

BArt-Head

I don't need a DAU dashboard. 

BeavChris

Oh, you just get the direct messages of real, yeah, real DAU. 

The chat's pretty sad. I love Jacob's comment. What other kinds of Excel spreadsheets are you going to talk about when you leave Farcaster? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, that's one of my pain points. I don't have a good way to share spreadsheets across Anon social media. 

So I don't want to share a Google sheet tied to my Google account. And yeah, we tried sharing some like a private encrypted, but. Not tied to your personal account, online shared spreadsheets, and it didn't work super well. We should talk briefly about

BeavChris

I think he means the content, not the actual method of sharing. Though this is interesting, like a Web3 Google Docs is needed. Oh, @naomiii says, isn't Fileverse doing that? I didn't know about Fileverse, I'm going to check it out. 

BArt-Head

I had never seen such a thing. 

BeavChris

Okay. The other topic we had in mind was about Degen tipping slash locking. And you called me Missy No Lock in the notes. I was like, what the heck? 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I locked, Christin did not lock and 

BeavChris

Yeah, you locked a lot too. 

BArt-Head

I locked 420,000 for the culture. And I now have a very, a relatively small, but still large DEGEN daily tip allocation. And other people have more and many people have less.

So I'm happy. I'm, I locked enough to maintain my middle class status. 

BeavChris

I've fallen out of the middle class. 

BArt-Head

And yeah, you are opting out of tip giving via the tip allocations. 

BeavChris

And it's not just me. There's quite a lot of people in my feed who have done the same thing. 

BArt-Head

And so have a lot. Yeah, I agree. And I've tried to engage with many of the people. That I was interested to find out why. And I think I have a recent a decent understanding of the thoughts. But why did you choose not to lock? 

BeavChris

This is based on D Y O R slash N F A thoughts. Which is that if I have to lock so much in order to get a pittance of tipping allowance.

I think it's a psychological thing too. Of course, I was one of the people who really benefited from last season where I was able to give a lot and maybe some of you have noticed that I do tend to give it all to one person in one day. Cause I, I feel like if I'm going to do it, it should feel a little bit substantial.

BArt-Head

I agree with that. I totally agree with that. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

You get much more bang for the DEGEN buck. For getting big tips than small tips. 

BeavChris

Exactly. And so the, it's the difference that really hurts, right? So for me, I feel like I, and I also don't even have enough. I'm not holding enough $DEGEN to, to give a substantial allowance.

So with that, I thought, okay, you and I have done this before where we had rained actual $DEGEN, not $DEGEN tips on like followers of our channel, hint, hint. So therefore I thought maybe I should just hold on to the, little bag I got from last season and just directly give it away to, those that who may need that.

And. I think that the tricky part, which I've hinted one of my casts, is that it does feel like what I'm giving away is a scratcher ticket. Because, okay, for example I could have converted all of my degen into like USDC or something and tip people with USDC directly with the pay button. But then, I feel like then I took, I made the decision to like, convert at a certain time.

And now you are stuck with USDC. And if I don't convert, then I keep the hope for you, and then you can decide whether it's worth converting or not. So then I'm, like, not making an additional choice on top, but I don't know, maybe that's just me trying to be all high and mighty and pretending like I'm such a good person or something. 

But I think like the thing with $DEGEN, the value is in the speculation and not in its actual value, so I wanted to keep that part for whoever receives it. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, that makes total sense. And of course, Anybody can swap at any point in time. And of course it has a cost, but that cost is so low relative to how it used to be. And there are ways to even lower it. And we're happy to discuss that. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I am overthinking it. And that was too much intellect for crypto token tipping. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I was thinking and hoping Skin in the game would make a substantial difference to the outcomes of degen tipping. And to me in the medium term, this is true of any any startup that is burning money in order to grow. At some point, that money that is being given out and distributed, for hyper growth has to turn into stickiness, retention and monetization.

Monetization in the form of a DEGEN project is a, an L3 with a lively app ecosystem that is justifying people to pay the very low fees on the L3. So for projects to emerge. It's also for a culture of tips to be accepted, which I think has set. 

BeavChris

Yes, I do really appreciate them. 

BArt-Head

Yep, projects to purchase DEGEN in order to use it to give out these scratcher tickets. And that's, I think that's not quite yet cemented, even though it is being done. Like these things to generate ongoing demand for DEGEN are really important. And the, to me, every tip given should be, it's just a transfer of future DEGEN to the present. And so it should be thought of like an investment.

And to me personally, I thought having skin in the game was a perfect way to raise the threshold of giving out tips without heavy judgment over someone's value or worth to receive it is, did you happen to keep enough around to stake? And did you happen to,or did you happen to buy some in order to stake?

Both of those are exactly the same in this setup. So I thought it was a good experiment to try and we can see that @jacek is open to feedback, receptive to things.

I will voice the one feedback that I thought was really powerful. It came from @stellabelle. She said when you log in every day and you see your tip allocation has fallen, that's a horrible feeling. It's meant to be counteracted by seeing that the vault has grown and maybe indirectly or directly that the degen price has grown. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I don't think that's happening. 

BArt-Head

But when $DEGEN is pumping that's a very powerful mental flywheel. So to me, it's not just that the allocations are falling, even though the the mechanical fall is very different from the market rise. And that's tough. That's very tough. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So I feel like that I do appreciate the cultural, like tipping preservation. Oh, and then like Jacob says here, he heard the LP fees that $DEGEN recently generated a pretty high, like 500,000. And that competition is good. No 

BArt-Head

Yeah, another point about competition is that there are other tokens. So $DEGEN has opened the door to a healthy competition of ideas and methods for other tokens to establish a foothold, because some people are opting out of tipping $DEGEN, or maybe you will find it easier to tip other tokens that arrive to you more easily than tipping the $DEGEN that you earned in the past. There's all these possible outcomes and that's quite interesting to see and think about it, anticipate or predict. Speculate. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So to end on a more optimistic note so I recently posted this Celia's Mexican restaurant as an example of like decentralization of course from many years ago, where the founder, this grandmother had taught lots and lots of people how to run Celia's restaurants all the way from finances to like how to, run the house, that kind of thing.

And that's why there's so many of these like Celias in around the Bay Area, but then they're not actually affiliate with each other. They all like independently run. And I was thinking, Oh, okay theoretically, this is Art's utopia. What theoretically, there's a world of clients that can all benefit from having same like information and I guess that's why you're into the FOSS stuff.

So theoretically FOSS is Art as a grandmother teaching you how to lay out the tables, etc. And so is that what you want? As the outcome? Is this a good enough analogy? Of course the grandma was not under VC pressure or anything. 

BArt-Head

Yeah @vitalik.eth had a interesting reply to @sohey.eth, today, which was a very strong statement that infrastructure funding for the crypto ecosystem should be free and open source.

It should not be VC backed. That was a very strong shot over the bow. And he sent it whizzing by Sohey, so I think Sohey is like Donald Trump. You get a bullet from Vitalik going by you and 

BeavChris

I don't know whether she's in the chat today, but taken out of context, that sounds super wrong. Is this related to Gitpaid? 

BArt-Head

Yes. 

BeavChris

Okay. Oh, I think 2E. Okay, so I recognize that wallet address. I think she’s in the chat. So is it because Gitpaid is considered more privatized? 

BArt-Head

Sorry no, Gitpaid is for open source projects. Gitpaid is for open source projects. 

BeavChris

Okay so isn't that good? Why is that? Why is Sohey Trump in this situation? 

BArt-Head

Oh, Trump is good. What do you mean? 

BeavChris

This is the, I'm going to cut us off right here. 

All right. Yeah. So much of clip that I, no, no comment. This is onchain. This is going to be onchain in Zora. But yeah, like definitely I really appreciate all of you for joining us in the chat today. I will leave that our last topic is unresolved topic. 

BArt-Head

We have many things to talk about. Next week, same time, same place on Unlonely 11 a. m. Eastern. Please join us again for, thank you for listening, everybody. We appreciate your support and your positive vibes in the chat. 

BeavChris

Thank you so much. And those who join in the last minute get nothing. That's, I see @dawufi in the chat. All right. Take care, everyone. All right. 

BArt-Head

Bye bye. 

BeavChris

Bye.

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BeavChris

 Hello. We, as usual, might be live.Let me refresh our screen. GM.Oh, we have elbrys.eth in the chat. Thank you for joining us so early. 

BArt-Head

GM.

BeavChris

GM.All right. Shout out to our permissionless partners, Unlonely, Base, Zora, Paragraph, Drakula, Seemore, and our sponsor today is Lunchbreak. com from Borodutch and JasonKim.eth. What,cumulatively, what trouble have you gotten into recently?

BArt-Head

I want to say, since the last week, I've gotten a like and a recast from dwr.eth and our 

BeavChris

Oh yeah! 

BArt-Head

Our BCBH Show intern has gotten a power badge. So by all traditional measures, we are winning hashtag winning. We are killing it. We are doing social all right.

And when I saw the powerbadge, that really was the worst day of my life. I thought this insane. 

BeavChris

Wait, why? It's like you got what you wanted, yet you don't like it because now you have no one to fight against anymore.

BArt-Head

No no, I did not want the BCBH Show show account to have a power badge. What I wanted was for the power badge, which to me carries a heavy psychic weight of human suffering. I wanted that thing to disappear and for it not to be a celebration or for someone. To co opt us or for it to morph into a spam fighting tool that everybody can get behind. I just want it, I really want it to burn in the 0x00burn address. This whole idea of the power badge. 

BeavChris

Isn't that just like you being annoyed that the thing you're fighting ideologically against keeps changing and improving towards your direction? Then you can never be happy in person.

BArt-Head

There's so, there's this difference philosophically of, and this is maybe an American thing. If you are building freedom, but in doing so, you have to compromise some of your stated values. That's not what Americans would prefer to do. Otto von Bismarck and Realpolitik, that was European,and Tao Tse Ting. 

BeavChris

Sounds like we're having a Europooooor discussion right now.

BArt-Head

Yes, and Art of War, and Lao Tze, was Oriental, and 

BeavChris

Don't use that word in our show. 

BArt-Head

Henry...yes. That's a loaded term. 

And Henry Kissinger was not born an American. What Americans like to say is that we are cool, our ideals. You can't, 

BeavChris

It's like a train that's like being fixed. It's just moving, right? Whereas you want a great reset. Also very problematic to say because our context. Back into what? 

BArt-Head

I want a final solution.

Not. No. I, let's go back to Europe for a sec.

BeavChris

So I feel that's why you can get more upset. 

BArt-Head

No I'm not saying you can't make mistakes. But I'm saying that the way you make decisions and the way you correct mistakes are important. There, there are some instances where you can say, I need to make an omelet, so I will break some eggs.

There are proper times to say that. There are other times when you're engineering, where you follow a procedure until it breaks, and then you fix it. But there are also some human interactions where one man setting himself, one group of people setting themselves up to silence others and treating them as best case scenario, collateral damage.

I'm sorry, our algo. Was not finely tuned enough to differentiate you from a bot. That's the best case scenario. And there's, there's more, there's worse ways to characterize that, which go into the realm of George Orwell in 1984. Doublespeak, like that kind of 

BeavChris

Oh yeah, I think the creatives know what doublespeak is, but I think that's just society. And we are a reflection of society. 

BArt-Head

And I also think it's important when we encounter doublespeak, that there is enough space for people to throw eggs. Throw tomatoes, throw shoes, blow raspberries, make satire, make biting wordcel comments. These are all part of a free society. Some people might disagree, but I live in New York City and there are graffiti artists who express themselves. 

BeavChris

So are we the graffiti artists? So far it seems like it. 

BArt-Head

So I don't exactly know where we sit, but spammers are similar to graffiti artists. And so you have people who don't 

BeavChris

Noooo, that's insulting to graffiti artists. 

BArt-Head

So now I'm insulting the artists. Let me pick no, then let's be clear that. People who consider art as spam, like the, apparently the 50 percent of people who vote in the poll that consider certain kinds of things as spam sometimes are similar to people who consider graffiti art or folk art or emergent art that has not yet reached mainstream acceptance. As things that should stay out of their sight, there are certain people who 

BeavChris

this is interesting, right? Because I feel actually, they have finally touched on a nerve and it's not the one we expected. Oh, and by the way, Adrienne says, is there a disclaimer that being in the audience means we don't have to endorse the content?

BArt-Head

I want to say 100%. In fact, being in the audience means you dissent against what art says. Being a co host means you do not have to endorse the content. 

BeavChris

Exactly. If I'm endorsing the artist thing, oh god this is a terrible job. I think what really touched my nerve recently is, instead of the whole power badge censoring content dilemma, it's tipping, trying to hide tipping.

And cast storage. I feel like those two things have like really touched the nerves of people. Very much like taxation or something. I feel like there's these ideological topics that I think are very much like in the grey zone of like nuance and debate. But when it comes to having to pay for more storage, that's something we all don't like. 

BArt-Head

First, they came for the trade unionists. But nobody spoke up. Then they came for the tippers. Then no one spoke up. Then they came for the storage costs. So think, these things are all on a spectrum. And related for sure. And of course like we do have a free society where we can put on silly wigs and make silly content. 

And, yeah that's allowed. And we can annoy people with our casts. That's allowed and it happens. Maybe it's not something that people like, but we like, it happens. There is spam and people get annoyed and people get worked up and people feel some kind of way. So yes, they're like we have dissent.

I think it's important that people are able to speak, identify and describe their source of dissent as well as express their values. So it's very frustrating to me that it's very important to people to get an incremental amount more of storage for what we are paying. When, like last night, I thought that we've been given a vision of a future where there can be free magic internet money supporting artists and poor people and entirely 100 percent self sovereign. 

And people want to crush it. People want to crush that possibility. Because of arguments like, mute word, people are too lazy to use mute words. 

BeavChris

So I like how you're just like calling DWR people. 

BArt-Head

No. DWR said most users do not bother to use the mute words. So it's not that DWR is 

BeavChris

That is true.

But here's the thing that's why doublespeak is so powerful, because when I read that, I was like, yeah, that's true. It's using truth to obscure another truth, which I think is super interesting as a technique. 

BArt-Head

When you hear most other people, yeah, most people, when you hear most other people are lazy, You think, oh, yeah, I'm lazy too.

BeavChris

That's correct. 

BArt-Head

When I hear it, I think, I'm going to cut my nose off to spite my face to prove to you how un lazy I am. I'm gonna, I'm gonna mute every word I can think of and prove that I can mute things. Like, when I hear that people are lazy, my unique reaction 

BeavChris

What do you think happened in your childhood that makes you contrarian? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, there is a contrarian streak, which, I say it's American, but obviously not because many Americans will not bother to mute words.

I do want to be very clear of, in my head, is that there are trade offs. So laziness, not laziness, let's call it convenience.

BeavChris

Yeah, convenience 

BArt-Head

comes at a cost and that cost is perhaps tipping to reward art. For, so it was presented to us that users don't like a feed that's full of tipping casts and users will not use mute words and users don't complain, they just churn.

So therefore, Farcaster lover, if you want Farcaster to survive. You must accept that tipping will die. Or, tipping will have much harder headwinds. 

BeavChris

And I think this is interesting, right? Because you've complained about all sorts of things, which I think always think you are in the minority and that you will like, will churn, right?

You represent the type of people who churn out of ideology. But this time with the whole tipping, hiding thing, I'm like, Ooh, this actually might get them to change their mind because there's enough average users who are unhappy with that choice. Oh, wait, Fufu says I want Tipping to die too. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. 

BeavChris

But I don't know ,I think Tipping doesn't annoy me. What annoys me is the AI responses. I'm like, that should be filtered out. And they've done a pretty good job with hiding those replies. Hopefully no one's caught in the stray. But then I feel like they haven't even tuned in to be that sensitive yet, because only half of the AI responses get filtered out. 

BArt-Head

If you are caught in the AI filter, as it gets ever tighter and tighter, and there's no power badge to complain about, what can you do?

BeavChris

Oh, I see. It's even worse. 

BArt-Head

In some senses, it's even worse. In some senses, it's better. There are trade offs. Absolutely. I think my general point is that there are prices to convenience, and maybe they're not borne by the people who are the recipients of the convenience, right? And so it's important to think in terms of mechanism design, that these choices are balanced in a way that's healthy and fair. So if your North star is. Growing DAU, and you're making choices to grow DAU. Then there are different choices that you have to make to achieve that. 

If your North Star is killing spam, then, if that becomes an existential issue based on some determination. Then you have to make other choices and, the sequence of these things matters as well and the limited resources to, to deal with. You, I asked myself, why do we build payments and then remove the priority badge and replace it with a spam filter? 

And then maybe get to the spam bots at a later time or not, like there are different reasons for sequencing things in certain ways to try to optimize in a multidimensional fashion for things. And, there's also this

BeavChris

You shared a hypothesis with me in our telegram chat. 

BArt-Head

I don't know if this is what you're referring to. So my interpretation of every decision. is that Warpcast is a status as a service product. 

BeavChris

Yeah, did you all know that? Y'all in the chat you're part of a status as a service product. Do you feel status y? Yeah, 

BArt-Head

Christin has a very strong reaction to that. And I have to share with our listeners that I have very different reactions. And I'll share some personal information. 

BeavChris

Actually, I don't even know what this reaction is. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. 

BeavChris

Tell me more about my reaction, then your reaction. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, your reaction is a bit shocked that you're part of this, the high status group. And my personal reaction is, I have always been high status. And coming to Farcaster, I have gifted everybody with my presence of being high status. This pandering To people like Kristen of low status seems a little bit strange to me, but I accept it because, I like Kristen and I like her as part of the conversation, but if there was none of this, it would just be 

BeavChris

Speaking of cutting off noses by face, you're also telling me you want to delete your account and start over from fresh. Oh! I see , 

BArt-Head

right

BeavChris

see you you want your own home.  

BArt-Head

No I want to be like Siddhartha, who was born a prince, and it was not enough for him. And so he sat under a tree and then he gave away all his belongings, and eventually you had 

BeavChris

me a podcaster, monastic. 

BArt-Head

Look I never knew that hanging out with you, Christin, would take me down this path, but this path of of searching for enlightenment. By giving away my belongings is, has become extremely appealing. Oh, sorry, go back to status as a service. I've been part of different groups. 

BeavChris

The status as a service world, but what's happening is that you're creating your own sense of status identity by making anti status to be the status. It's like the monkey king that can't escape the Buddha's hand. 

BArt-Head

Whoa. So like Justin of Quidli said in one of the very nice castimonials, we have an anti cool kids club, cool kids vibe. But my point is, I have my status, whether or not Merkle gives it to me or not. And so do other people, so do other people. 

And your choices of how you interact and move and carry yourself convey that and demand that or allow other people to treat you without it. And that to me is natural, a natural part of free human interactions. The part where it gets unnatural is for a small subset of people to decide for the larger group that certain people should not have that status.

But, Warpcast is a status as a service product, which is, it's a feature, not a bug, that it exacerbates inequality and, poor Gini coefficients, whatever you want to call it. It is a feature. And so all these people who say I deserve to be seen, I want to support that because that's how you become seen. 

BeavChris

So like Ryan Brian had some recent shitcasting about this, right? Did you see where he was like? 

BArt-Head

Let's recap. So this is Unlonely Brian. 

BeavChris

Yeah, Unlonely Brian. 

BArt-Head

Where he was on the auto follows list. 

BeavChris

Yeah, something like that. And then he was like, wait, why did I get dropped off? And then I think he said he was on a phone call with Dan. 

And then he, I don't know maybe he's just taking a piss out of it. But he said, you can, you have to follow this list of mandates cast in channels. But essentially, you also made the quip in our chat that like, the behavior that is most rewarded with status is one that is most presentable to VCs. 

BArt-Head

Sure. Yes. There are individuals who are very presentable on Farcaster. That's also why I like being here is to rub shoulders with very reputable and high quality individuals like that. That's a good thing. And there are people who get, I think your phrase, not my phrase, was there are teacher's pets. Who gets, who the teacher calls on to show the other students this is how how to get ahead by, doing things this way. And some of, some people revel in it because it's great to be identified as doing it. 

BeavChris

It feels really nice to be featured. I gotta say that myself, 

BArt-Head

Making a, making the right life choices. It's a good thing. That's a good thing. And yet, 

BeavChris

there is this teacher's pet dynamic that you don't like. 

BArt-Head

No I hate this implicit power dynamic. And yeah, one more thing before we move. We, I think we have to move and pay some bills, but, 

BeavChris

yeah, which is related to this topic. So luckily you'll be a less rough transition than normal. 

BArt-Head

There was talking about teacher's pets. Everybody who was a kid. And was a teacher's pet learns how to respond because, get some reaction from it. You get some benefits and it comes with some, some other things. So you gotta be, you gotta be cool. You gotta, you If you want to be amongst the cool kids and sit at the cool seat at the lunch table, you can't be too nerdy or too geeky or too alone.

Maybe that's the, maybe that's the main thing is you can't be too by yourself. If you haven't found your tribe, like you have a hard time, you actually, maybe in some environments can completely be nerdy, geeky, into Hyperion and science fiction and still find your tribe like that's great. That's a healthy. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I don't think that's a mechanism that works against this. I understand what you mean, right? It's like they're instead of a normal social platform where your dynamic is only with your audience of choice. Now we have this additional dynamic with what the Merkle team determines to be palatable.

And it's like a dual dynamic that we need to deal with. But it's also the price of government, right? If you want roads, am I a libertarian? It's very controversial. But if you want the basic amenities that they are providing you have to follow a little bit of the social norms of this tribe, right? 

BArt-Head

I guess you are, you're totally, yeah. 

And so human history shows us that there are many competing versions of What the government needs to provide and what is more efficient and appealing to emerge out of society. And there's there's however many years of history of showing different experiments.

And in fact, right now there's a great powers conflict arising of competing visions of how much you want to allow to emerge and how much you want to be controlled. And if there is something that has overreach, especially in decentralized social, people can make their choices with their time, attention, their feet, their wallets, their everything. 

And so if there is high churn, that's a metric to follow of the decisions, if they were different, might bring you out of a high churn situation. 

BeavChris

Speaking of voting with your feet, someone was proposing to me that he I think, my actual concern, can I say, what do you think I'm going to say? 

Is that for all the threats, all the unhappiness that he's accumulating here, this person here is actually thinking about leaving us. And I've been going, Oh, my God so these are like the next three episodes has the implicit thing of is this going to be the last season of the show? So please stay tuned to see whether we can collectively convince this person.

But then you are also thinking about alternatively deleting your account and starting over from scratch. So therefore you are free, you are a true free agent, in a sense, and able to start over without any Merkle influence, right? 

BArt-Head

The argument is that you vote with your feet. If you don't like it, you can GTFO, right? So if you're not willing to GTFO, then, you gotta, you're complicit. 

BeavChris

Yeah so part of your GTFO plan is to use LunchBreak. com, our sponsor for this episode. Tell us more. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, so LunchBreak is sponsoring this episode. And I asked Borodutch what he wanted us to say about the product. And he said try it, and then tell us what you think.

So he shared with me two links, which I'll share in probably the show notes. One is a do, I didn't want to do it. I just wanted to take his money and read some words off a script. But he like threw it back at me in a very classic farcasteradmin. eth meta-troll. He said, here's a Dune dashboard and here is a smart contract, smart guy. 

So I'll share the Dune contract, sorry, the Dune dashboard, which shows you the activity that has been going through lunchbreak.com. Okay. and the smart contract, which you may read if you can read solidity code and you may discuss, in open because it is open and learn from people in the community that are also interested to learn, dissect and understand. 

And so I signed up for lunchbreak.com. My, my findings are that it is, it allows you to link. Your Farcaster, X, LinkedIn, Facebook accounts, and I linked my Farcaster account. It was straightforward and as expected. It carries with it an embedded account abstraction wallet, which is through Privy. And I just have to say upfront, that makes me extremely comfortable.

It's not safe because safe is a binary thing, but it makes me very comfortable that Borodutch and Jason Kim do not have my private keys. They are handled by the account abstraction framework that Privy has published and is used in many different cases, including Drakula, which people might be familiar with. 

And so you have to fund your smart wallet, which is an isolated source of funds. You can send funds in, but to send funds out, you have to sign. And so I sent some funds in and then I spent some funds to buy different lunchbreak. com seats. And you sign in the app to, to to spend your own money and you purchase a seat, which is, which gives you some public rights and some private rights, including things that show up on the Dune dashboard.

So what they've built is a mechanism with some ponzification games where early people buy seats for cheaper than people who buy later, but if more people sell, the price goes down and you can pick things up cheap after people have sold. And there are messaging features. And one thing that I liked, I did, I cranked it up. 

To message someone, you have to pay money. And so I, you can specify how much it costs. Now Christin is low status, so she, it costs less money to message her. I am high status, so it will cost you a lot of money to message me. In fact, more money than it costs to buy a seat, which also allows you to message me.

But if you want to just message me without buying a seat, that's fine. It'll cost you some money. And I have used that to allow myself to turn my notifications wide open. People might know that I've turned notifications off for many things because they're often unwanted compared to my preferred workflow, but if someone's going to pay that much money, then I've turned the notifications wide open and I confirmed that they work.

So if you want to buzz my groin. You may pay money and buzz my groin. And if you don't, that's fine. 

BeavChris

The chat likes the tagline, considering how he had demoed the lunch break at FarCon from his groin region. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I'm sure in their product meetings, they never considered that this would be a utility feature of the product. But it, it happens to be a permissionless use of their product is to give myself some groin buzzes for money. Very nice.

So my, my, my key takeaways are you get to participate in some Ponzi games. You get to purchase access to people and you get to port your social graph. Here's a demonstration of picking up your social graph and applying it in an entirely different context. I will add also that I've been following these builders for a while and, I'm interested to see the spit and polish of their products. And, this app feels very nice. The messaging works as expected. It's a brand new product, so there's going to be hiccups, but it's a very solid launch in my biased and purchased opinion, everyone is free to go and try this product.

There's other products out there, which, we will discuss at different times, but that's, that was my experience with with looking at it and I encourage people to actually look at the smart contracts. See what, and then ask questions because there are such smart people on Farcaster that, I remember in previous iterations of smart contract launches Borodutch or Farcasteradmin has a personality that encourages people to take apart his contracts and try to take him down. And, I want 

BeavChris

you both share. 

BArt-Head

Yeah he's a master. And I'm just the, a little grasshopper. I think that's a positive part of building in on chain is that your smart contract has to be revealed. So if there's funny business, you can see it. And if people have differing opinions, that's illuminating too, because opinions are opinions. They're like, everyone has one. 

And smart contracts are smart contracts. This one in particular is a proxy contract, which means that it can be upgraded and changed, which means also that by linking it and making it public, people can watch, like, it immediately. I'm going to use all of my tools to be notified right away if the smart contract changes, because that's a required step to rug pull, is to change the smart contract. 

BeavChris

I feel like it's very well designed, very slick. It has utility on top of being a social graph trading card kind of game. And I would love to see everyone else on it. So it's not so it's not just me 

BArt-Head

plan. My plan is. Yeah. I can see lots of dreams and visions of a world of flying cars and lush greenery and glass bubbles that we all live in. 

And in one of those worlds, you can take your social graph and move it to another context, and it's, it's not seamless, it's not super convenient because People are incentivized to, to make lock in, but it's possible if you overcome some hurdles. And so what I saw in this, and maybe, other people will not want to do this, but I have fun group chats on Warpcast with my friends. 

And if we want to have those fun group chats in a place which maybe has better encryption, we can do it. Or maybe that provides different things that are more aligned with my values than I can because people happen to also be there. That's a good 

BeavChris

I think it's a catch 22, right? Because if you vote with your feet and leave, then you build your own insular island of people who think like you.

And in a way then people are less exposed to your dissent. Which I think is like a healthy, gesture- y way for people to be exposed to different ideas, 

BArt-Head

absolutely. There's there's different platforms that are better for building your comfortable silos. Of not being challenged like I don't like to be at home and be challenged by my kid. 

I want him, I want my home to be a place where my word is law, but unfortunately that doesn't happen because kids are kids. But if I want a space where nobody ever challenges me ,maybe that it's good to have that in another space. And then, I'm not saying that Warpcast is a space where no one ever challenges people because it's definitely a space where people challenge people and tease and meme and try to bring people down, but it's not as much as other spaces which expose ideas, like 

BeavChris

Yeah, this is already the best space. 

BArt-Head

The fact that it's not an extreme doesn't make it the best, but it is, it's good. I hear what you're saying. It is a good place. I don't disagree and I have as much skin in the game as you do of bags and products and reputation and onchain things and public things as you do. 

BeavChris

Exactly. 

BArt-Head

It's a good place. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So speaking of dealing with imposed hierarchy the other products I want to talk about today are humankind candles. As many of, Samantha has a corporate day job and much of their passion is expressed through Sam now starting her, their candle business and candle making. So I think we all have, 

BArt-Head

Sam likes candles? 

BeavChris

Yes, correct. I believe that Sam is a crazy candle person. And I think that's the magic of this place, right? Is that you could start an entire small business based on just one platform alone. And I think that's why many of us are still Hanging around like there is the camaraderie and there's also still entrepreneurial opportunities.

So humankind makes dual layered candles like getting two different scoops of ice cream. And Sam has launched a hyper sub. So if you haven't checked it out already, go check out the new candle hyper sub where you can buy candles and potteries with crypto. And it also allows you access to a really fun group chat that I'm a part of as well. And now it would be 

BArt-Head

What's the key date? 

BeavChris

The what date? 

BArt-Head

The important date for that Hypersub 

BeavChris

 oh, it's already live. 

BArt-Head

Oh, if you join before August 3rd, they have offered shared discounts. 

BeavChris

Oh sorry. I'm getting to that! 

BArt-Head

Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. 

BeavChris

Yes. So if you until August 3rd, you will get shared discounts on other hypersubs from some of our friends. YB, Priyanka, Laurieann and Marjorie. So this is one of the, I think probably one of the best group deals on hyper sub right now. Please do go check it out. You can check out the slash humankind channel, which I believe will allow you access to the HyperSub frame. And if not, you can always go to HyperSub itself. I feel like, there's so much going on. Good stuff going on that I understand your frustration of as someone who is high status of always not having to live under impositions of other people, which is something that I've always done. So I think that bothers me less because I'm just like, that's always been the case. 

So my expectations of freedom maybe are just lower. But, I think there's still plenty to see. And as every week the meta changes, which I think bothers you because everything you complain about actually suddenly improves. But in the ways that you think are annoying because they don't prove you right, they only fix things.

But I think it may still change in the next few weeks. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, you did ask me what would, what would make me really want to stay. 

BeavChris

Yeah, 

BArt-Head

and I don't remember what I said. Do you remember what I said? 

BeavChris

More actual DAU. 

BArt-Head

More users. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I would, I would say, I'd almost put as a, like a, out there challenge. If there is a Japanese version of Warpcast in the next couple of weeks. That would be a real skin in the game. Demonstration of product prioritization that would surprise me in a highly positive. 

BeavChris

Like a Japanese app? Or like a localization option for the app or something? 

BArt-Head

No, an app experience which is tuned to the particular demands of one non English community, like in tune with, there's lots of specific concerns that they have. 

BeavChris

If there's a polymarket bet on this, I will not bet on this happening.

BArt-Head

And to be fair, like you were saying, things happen. So longcast was beneficial to the Japanese community. Because for whatever accident of history, of tech history, it takes more bytes to store characters in languages other than English. 

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. 

BArt-Head

And so 320 characters in English was like, it was fewer than 320 in emojis for sure, right? But if all your writing is in Japanese language, in Japanese script, Then you only have, 160 characters, and Japanese is partially phonetic, so you can't really express that much in 160. Longcast helps them, for sure. And that's great. But there are other issues that they have expressed that are quite important. 

BeavChris

And speaking of Japanese community, another like upstart is our very own JRF or Jacob. Because many of you might have seen this like weird emoji thing that he's doing right now called characters. Which is an example of something that like an individual like made up. And it's super popular with the Japanese community, apparently. 

Probably because it's very reminiscent, right? Because of the whole Japanese influence on emoji development and using ASCII to draw really cute characters. It's like totally their thing. So I was really happy to see that the apparently Japanese community have came over and then called JRF J-chan and then they have a cute little thing together where they, auction characters and have a lot of fun.

So I think. This is an example where I don't think we can expect the Merkle team to be in charge. Like it is, build your own client, but maybe like one down, like one more realistic thing is build your own project and seeing that, you can engage in community in that way. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. The fact that there are success stories is something to be celebrated and to be learned from and to, for the community to try to replicate. And encourage inasmuch as It's interesting to them to encourage. So there is one other negative. 

BeavChris

You have to be Diogenes and be the person to throw crap and to point out what is wrong. 

BArt-Head

I'm far from Diogenes. I think even Borodutch is far from Diogenes. But like the community has to push for it, support it, and replicate it. 

The fact, that there are positive stories, if everybody preferences convenience, or not thinking, or choosing not to look deeply because it's too hard. Then what ends up happening is these positive examples get lost, and the opportunities get missed, and you get more churn, and then the science experiment falls. 

So I'm happy, I'm very happy that in our podcast, We are putting onchain many examples of positive efforts that are things that we like, that we want to see more of, that they sometimes happen to be our friends, sometimes not, but sometimes they are. There are things that we tend to enjoy seeing more of. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So I think we should end it here. Of course, if you can see our show notes, this is only one fraction, only what I wanted to cover today. But I think we'll have to wait till next week and I'm sure it'll be a new better meta by then. 

BArt-Head

All right. Thank you all for joining us. Once again, we want to give a shout out to our permissionless partners. Streaming on Unlonely. We're minting our episodes on Base via Zora. We have clips on Drakula. We have our blog posts, including our transcripts, on Paragraph. And our online presence is managed by SeemoreTV. We have a soon to be unleashed collab for some Web3 native scheduling and notifications. And our intern has been putting in the work, bcbhshow.eth. Please follow that account. Engage with it. And give feedback, because the intern is just a half formed personality and character. 

BeavChris

Yes, alright, and then thanks to our sponsor, lunchbreak.com. Alright I hope you all have a wonderful day. Observe your hidden, your participation in hidden social dynamics. 

And have a good one. 

BArt-Head

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BeavChris

 Hello, we might be live on Unlonely. And GM. So as usual, before the show started, we were having a very heart to heart discussion. And I'm always like, dang it, it's always the good, the juicy stuff is always when we're not recording, is we dare to say everything that we're thinking about. But once the cameras are rolling, we're like, even art will self censor.

Unfortunately, this is still not the intimate level of chatting I would like, but a lot. Yes 

BArt-Head

Than you ever wanted. 

BeavChris

Yeah, some really bad memes and some pre show debate. Um, so, um the show. We are streaming on unlonely, minting on zora slash base. I hope to submit us to pods. Blogging on Paragraph with the help of Descript and ChatGPT, sharing clips on Drakula, and our presence is managed by Seemore.Tv. 

Shout out to all our partners there, and our Season 2 sponsors so far, the Pics or It Didn't Happen Community Bounty 325, which was itself sponsored by Degen grant. Oh, I didn't know that. And we will be having a nice ad break from lunchbreak.com. From Borodutch and Jason Kim dot eth.

So what trouble have you gotten up to lately, which we were discussing before the show started? 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I want to say for the record, if you go on Warpcast and you search for two words, snark and negativity, you'll find three mentions ever in Farcaster history. Two of them come from the great Chris Dixon from a while ago. He was talking about how he's not on Twitter anymore because of all the snark and negativity. 

And the third mention was quite recent. One of the co hosts of this show was described as, actually it was a question, why all the snark and negativity?

BeavChris

Very diplomatic, very startup founder thing to say. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, from the founder of Warpcast and Farcaster, asking why all the snark and negativity. So we're bringing it. 

BeavChris

So we were discussing this in our group chat as well. As usual, my sentiment is that, okay, I know obviously a lot of the messaging from the Merkle team can be sometimes a little bit referencing that old film there, but I think I should have misused the G word very often.

But the idea is that there'll be features. And then there'll be features that are taken away and replaced by new features that were deemed not possible before, and we're supposed to pretend that was never said. And we're just moving on. So I do agree with you. 

BArt-Head

Sorry, what exactly are you? What exactly do you mean? This is the greatest solution. And then one day later, wait, here's a new solution, which is The greatest solution. The old one was only like a temporary measure. 

BeavChris

Yes, so so I agree with you the messaging there is problematic. And then, however, my argument for you before we started the stream was like, it's like we're all in this communal swimming pool. 

There are no other swimming pools to be and Art keeps pooping in the swimming pool. And I'm like, no it's we don't want to sell FUD, right? That's the part where I feel guilty because it's as the whole crypto ethos is you got to keep the spirits up, keep it positive, or else people are going to leave.

And the thing is, what we don't want is for the community to shrink, right? So 

BArt-Head

why do you think the crypto ethos is to avoid criticism? It's something that you've internalized from 

BeavChris

From being around, which I've never experienced before. Because it's because people are pumping bags. And to pump bags, you need to be positive.

And in a way, because you and I are creators on this platform, it becomes our bag. And therefore, it is not in our best interest to point out the flaws. 

BArt-Head

So I would say the crypto ethos draws from the cypherpunk ethos, which is all about saying things have to be built in a way that stands up to scrutiny. Transparency. Decentralization. Robustness. A smart contract should be able to be revealed to all permissionless people who run the nodes and still be safe to still protect your funds, right? 

BeavChris

Like I feel like those are like the old school original ethos, but it's been corrupted by Silicon Valley ethos, right? 

BArt-Head

Which is more about move fast break things as well as don't mess up the game for us. 

But there is a certain subset of us that are going to be in a GC and there's going to be a signal and everyone's going to dump together on the masses and get out with our yachts and our, and our wine. And let's run it back again. There is a bit of that which people internalize from seeing it.

Just like in the old Wall Street. There was lots of elements of insider cabals or groups of insider information. And the newer participants come in and they see, oh, this is how things are done, and they internalize it. And then you get some regulations that say there's no insider trading and everyone's haha, right? 

Are you kidding me? Don't you know this is how things are done? And then slowly someone says, wait, actually, no, we've got to do it differently. There is, I want to say very forcefully, that 

criticism should not bring down a house of cards. 

If you avoid criticism because you don't want to bring down the house of cards, that is a, a lack of confidence. To me, it's a lack of Optimism as opposed to a destructive energy. However, I do see there are, there are important nuances, like you don't step on a baby bird while they're learning.

But, if you see a big, massive hawk, you can hold its wings and let it exercise and get stronger. 

It's not 

BeavChris

Right. Like one, one artlu should not be enough to FUD the entire platform. So 

BArt-Head

Right, I'm a goose! 

BeavChris

That's fine. You can share. 

BArt-Head

I don't even know what I am. I don't know if I'm a duck or a goose. Yeah, you can be quiet because my bags, I've got, I'm going to say

what the thing is, where have you put your bags? Like, why have you put your bags in a way that a duck can, a duck with 2000 real followers. Most of whom are powerless, like, how can that change the direction of the platform? 

BeavChris

I think it's not even that right? It's more like I do agree with you, but I cannot get people to be on your side if you phrase the things that, that way. You're presenting criticism, but you're not presenting the solution. It's like the messaging can never really be about the criticism.

It has to be always about you want x, this platform's not providing you X anymore, by the way, here I can offer you something better. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I am frankly tired of more than a year of messaging , which is coming from the community grassroots. We want, X, y, z. And the messaging being this will not meaningfully grow DAU, or qDAU and here's an Opportunity For Another Client. 

And so for example eh, this is just like my sour grapes, but somebody built a really good search experience, much better than text search, much better than like things, and the Warpcast team said, Oh, like, how did you do that? That's really good.

That's really good. Let's highlight it. People that, like this builder has done a really good job. How did you do that? And so the builder was like really proud and shared with the tech. 

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

The algorithm, the approach, the heuristics, and someone can correct me if my memory is wrong, but one week later, Warpcast said, Hey, we have great search now.

BeavChris

And actually it reminds me of how Amazon Basics works. Do you know about that? 

BArt-Head

So Amazon Basics, why don't you explain what you mean? 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. So if you have ever been a small business owner, So Amazon, you realize all the dirty tricks that Amazon does, right? Because they have all the analytical data.

So they know what the best selling products are. So then they would go to the factories in China, making the thing, and then make a cheaper clone version of your best selling product. So as a small business, it's actually really detrimental for you to be on Amazon most of the time, but you're forced to do this. 

BArt-Head

Takes all the risk. 

BeavChris

Mm hmm. 

BArt-Head

For part of the reward, Amazon takes much less risk because the small business has tested out the marketplace and confirmed the interest in such a product. And then they take most of the reward because of who they are. 

BeavChris

And then I'm seeing this happen on this platform where people who build really great stuff have the features cloned really quickly by the Warpcast team.

So I do think that is a little bit predatory, and I don't know. How anyone like a builder can overcome that because it's almost if you build something really good, you're just going to have it stolen or have your main like bread and butter taken away and you're told to build something that you know the Build something else or and that's why SocialFi games are popular because the Warpcast team is not going to play that game.

But in a way it is detrimental to the platform because it's like it actually de incentivizes builders, I think. And I'm not even a builder. So if I'm feeling that way, I have no idea how you all feel. 

BArt-Head

So that is a sentiment that has been expressed many times. And different builders have taken different paths.

There are some that are very brave and positive and optimistic and non zero sum, grow the pie innovative. They like, they can't help, but be innovative. They cannot help, but be positive. And then there's others who take a very hard look at the situation and draw whatever conclusions they need to draw to do whatever they need to do or find the direction that they need to take.

And this is natural. This is capitalism. This is, this is the state of nature, it's the dark forest. But I think my point to you before our call was this is not a dark forest. It's, there's, I don't know, 1500 devs. Where you don't have to play for the huge upside because it's not there. You don't have to play Facebook games. Facebook can play games because there's a trillion dollars for them to capture. And, and Amazon has a trillion dollars to go after. They're gonna go after it. The webcast team has. $50,000 to go after maybe let's say $10 million to go after.

And they're gonna gobble up, they're gonna choose to gobble up 500,000 of it, or 9 million of it. And, we'll see how much they end up gobbling and how much they leave for the, to incentivize the, ecosystem. But that's a fine line to be, to be drawing and we, everybody gets to observe what's happening and see yeah I'm not going to mention the thing that happened this week, but everybody can read the conversations and 

BeavChris

wait, which thing there's been so many things that I don't know which thing you're referring to. 

BArt-Head

Okay, yeah, maybe so maybe that's a sign of health that there's so many things. That people can throw their elbows and nobody sees them. 

BeavChris

Are you talking about the priority badge going away and spamming Twitter? 

BArt-Head

No, yeah, there there's many things. There are different podcasts that go through and like highlight what happened on Warpcast this week.

So we won't step on that kind of, we're not going for that niche. My niche is expressing my angst and expressing my dissatisfaction and trying to channel some dissatisfaction that I see, because I read so much. 

BeavChris

I think it's almost do you ever watch those Wired or whatever interviews with people whose job is to deprogram cults? 

BArt-Head

Okay no, but tell me what 

BeavChris

I feel like that's the kind if you really want to resolve your angst, like practically, like you need to learn how to deprogram cults. Like and the thing is and then I just feel like your technique of presenting criticism is exactly the opposite of what the programming call people say to do, because you're just going to create more like people who are going to, be contrarian just because you are contrarian, 

BArt-Head

yeah. There, I do see. 

BeavChris

I'm just trying to shape you to be the startup founder you're meant to be, and you have to use a lot of techniques you hate in order to do that. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, no, that's true, because there are more accounts that I've seen that have just been protest accounts or parody accounts. And I think there have always been parody accounts, but the ones now are much sharper in their criticism. Who knows if they're going to have staying power. 

Yeah, I thought it was very problematic that Warpcast took an English first approach to product design or social design. And I made a client, which is not English first, that has, spends 5 percent of my dev resources producing little captions in four different languages, not just one. 

And so I estimate that it takes 5 percent of my, my initiative and direction, it gets redirected into translation. And so there's, there is a cost, of, of not being English first, but. That cost can be quantified and it can be managed. So like I could spend 10%, I could spend 1%. There's, there is a range and it does not change the direction of things or meaningfully slow things down to have some Japanese, some German, some Spanish in the client, right? So I don't think I'm a parody account or a criticism account. 

However like when Streaks launched, I created a Streak and I pursued that Streak using Supercast. I did not schedule because. But I anticipated that many people would want to use the scheduling features. And it's not just Supercast, so HeroCast, Firefly, Recaster, all have scheduling. I wanted to understand how those streaks would make it into warpcast. 

Like I actively went to investigate the bounds and for , I do not know what technical reason was there, but I read all of the cult communication, including the stuff that said the streaks are on protocol. They're not a warpcast only feature. They're on protocol. Okay. Shared. I found my streak was broken, and I said, how did that happen?

Here are my cast hashes. That qualify for the streak. Okay. How did that not make it to the protocol? 

BeavChris

And then what happened? 

BArt-Head

Nothing. 

BeavChris

Oh,

BArt-Head

it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 

BeavChris

So you're saying that something was claimed to be protocol level and then you discovered through your own experiments that it was not. 

BArt-Head

I discovered that they could not count streaks. They could not count streaks. 

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

So Dan did have a, DWR did have a cast. If you are experiencing trouble with your streaks, please respond here. We are investigating some bugs. Yeah. So people, there, there were hundreds of replies, here's my streak.

I tried doing this. Let me give you some feedback. Here's my user experience. And he said, thank you. And. They're on it, they know about some bugs and they're going to address those bugs. So 

I'm not just criticizing. I try things in good faith to start. And after I find out that they're not, following the good faith interpretation, then they're like, that gets registered in my memory of, of some discount factor. Of what things are claimed to be and what they actually are. 

BeavChris

Again, I feel if you want people to vote with their feet, that needs to be a more cohesive alternative. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I would push back on that. I said in a different space, Warpcast sucks. But the alternatives suck probably. 

BeavChris

Yeah. On the very beautiful chart you had. 

BArt-Head

Some point, perhaps a better alternative will come and the masses will move, right? . But that better alternative will not arise until the shitty alternative gets to grow and improve, and that shitty alternative does not improve until people try, contribute, pay, support, circulate, discuss. So there is, I hear the very clear point that if you don't have a better alternative, then just shut the fuck up. STFU, like how do you expect someone of their own free will to accept a worse experience? And part of being on social as well is. How do you expect someone to go somewhere where no one's there? And how do you expect? 

BeavChris

Yeah, so they have at least solved this first hardest problem is there are people here. The number of people is very debated. Please see Geoff Golberg's latest cast, but then there's a range. Yeah, at least it's like somewhere between, I want to say like 1000, 10, 000 people who are here, right? And It's like almost like you gotta make use of this is the resource you have is the conglomerate of people. 

BArt-Head

The people who came here, mostly came because Twitter was too centralized. And they had built things maybe in Twitter or Telegram and had those products de platformed or had their business models yanked from under them on, let's say, Telegram or Facebook or Twitter. And they said, look let's build here.

This is, this addresses those issues in a in a way that gives us some safety and security and risk. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Exactly.

BArt-Head

By, and I will also add that many people came to Farcaster before there were people here, right? When I joined, there were, I think the, yeah, I actually, I know exactly how many people were before me because I have my FID.

And all of those people came when there were fewer. So there, there is an element of you've got to go and be a pioneer at some point. But also there was a promise of being able to write to the protocol so that your casts would be viewable, whether you sent them via Warpcast or an alternative, and it has been close to nine months of issues, let's call them growing pains, where you can send a valid cast on the network through an alt client. And it can, it will not reliably show up on Warpcast. 

BeavChris

I guess my mind like you do to wrap this up. My question is have you seen a sort of open source project that it has private components that was improved through user criticism over time? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, there's all of open source works like that. It's shitty, and then it gets better. I personally don't see that pattern in Warpcast. I see every new feature becomes more and more opaque and centralized, controlled. So like the spam filter, which is possibly going to replace priority mode is part, part manual. It's iterative and we report and they deal with our reports.

So we don't see how many reports are happening in aggregate. We don't see stats of what has, what actions have been taken. We do see some feedback, privately, which is good. That means they built a feedback loop, but, but it's not public. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

And with the Power Badge, things were public. So public that people could see all the games, they could, there are clues of course. games that are being played in there. And the spam filter, if they choose to do certain things, there will be no way for us to know. 

BeavChris

For now. There's a chance that once again, they will change the messaging and the, whatever they're providing to make it more open source.

BArt-Head

Look, the moon might turn red. 

BeavChris

So anyway so I understand your frustration and to be honest, I feel the same way, the same frustration of are things really growing here? Or is that only the illusion of growth, and then of course, both of our little bags are here. So I am thinking about like, how can I make the situation better for my own mental health? However, 

BArt-Head

let's pump some bags. For the next two, three minutes. 

BeavChris

Exactly. So to pump some bags, let's name a dev who actually has voted with his legs before. Actually, I've asked Borodutch this question before, because he was showing me all the things he built with Telegram, because he was like a huge Telegram bot builder.

And then, the platform became more and more, like they were not good at dev relationship, et cetera. So then I was like, what was the solution? He was like, I voted with my feet and moved to Farcaster. And so now he has built this new Sort of socialfi like intro. co tool called lunchbreak. com who is our sponsor for this episode.

BArt-Head

He is sponsoring us this week. 

BeavChris

Yes, exactly so I have used lunchbreak. com myself and I have to say like I don't go for every single socialfi thing but this is one where i'm like Oh, this actually makes me feel good because it's not only a trading on popularity kind of game. It actually has a functional element So what you can do is you can sign up as a creator a person, or you can trade other people's seats.

And and essentially what you can do is go to a platform, sign up and you can see what is the, you can set the evaluation of like how much you want to charge people to message you on their messaging platform. Or you can buy other people's seats that you think are underpriced.

So I think it's a really. Interesting concept. I check my lunchbreak. com every few days to make sure if anyone messaged me and sadly no one has so far because my own seats have been bought by Borodutch and and Joseph, sorry, I'm forgetting his name for a second so 

BArt-Head

if I want to have a seat next to you and have lunch with you, how much would it cost me? 

BeavChris

Oh, I don't remember. About 30 worth of ETH, or something like that, or maybe even 15 worth of ETH. I did not set it very high. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so you set a price, and then if someone buys it, then they can either just hold on to it and hope someone pays more? 

BeavChris

Yes. 

BArt-Head

Or they can use it? When they use it, does the seat get released, or do they hold on to the seat?

BeavChris

Yes. So a seat is a, is perm, permanent until you sell it, is my understanding. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so it's something you own. 

BeavChris

Jason Kim is the co developer.

BArt-Head

Yeah, so you own the seat after you buy it. 

BeavChris

Correct. And then a seat will guarantee you the ability to message the person whose seat you own. And there's also like a separate price you set for anyone to message you as well, which is more like a traditional intro. co. Okay. Yes. And then if you sign up, at least Borodutch and Jason will buy your seat. So you will automatically earn to some extent, no guarantees from me. This is just the experience I've experienced so far and observed. Oh, Fufu said, I can't even sign in using Farcaster on lunch box.

I think, yeah, lunch break. Message Borodutch about this. As usual, we are so early. Thinking of things that are breaking all the time. Oh! Fufu said he sold four seats and kept one, lol. Okay, so you have at least interacted on the platform. Yeah, so go check it out. I did joke with Art that they did launch around the same time as Scoop, and Scoop does have a lot of more sneaky, like sneaky but clever ways of boosting their casts. Huh? 

BArt-Head

Growth Hacks. 

BeavChris

Yeah, Growth Hacks, exactly built in. However, Lunch Break has a lot more sincere, useful functions beyond SocialFi. I think has more. 

BArt-Head

You mean Borodutch is more sincere. 

BeavChris

In a ironic sense. Yes. 

BArt-Head

In a really like double think way. 

BeavChris

Exactly.

BArt-Head

Interesting. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So yeah, go check it out if it's something that you would like. I think in the long run, lunch break has a lot of potential. 

BArt-Head

I'm sorry we spoke, spent a lot of time on angst. Do you want to spend some time on trading wisdom? 

BeavChris

Oh is it wisdom? I'm not sure. So that's why I want to run it by you. So in reply, I asked a question reply guys like about a week or so ago, just inquiring people's mindsets when they are investing or trading essentially is like, what do you think are the keys to good decision making, upon reflection.

And there were like five characteristics that I thought were easy to address, except for sorry, four characteristics that are easy to address in terms of like general good spirituality principles, and one is a bit more tricky. And the reason why I've been reflecting on this is related to our angst, actually.

Because I've been reflecting on how much time I spent on here, and is it actually adhering to my own deepest intentions? And as I started off with a lot more of a Buddhist chaplain sort of stance, and I have degenerated to this level. 

BArt-Head

I take partial credit. 

BeavChris

Exactly. And it's because, I also enjoy having fun and I see that that is the way in order to reach the most people on this platform. However, I also see that it's starting to become repetitive, right? It's either some coin that is doing some sort of tipping mechanism, or people going, we are so early or some kind of messaging. Art being grumpy, like it all gets really repetitive at some point. So I wanted to see what are the ways in which we can extract more wholesomeness of our activities here. So the five things are number one, like not being affected by market ups and downs. So some sort of equipoise to support long hodl.

Number two, sensitivity to like gut feeling. So like good trades like feel silly and fun. Like it's actually a Somatic sense and then like bad ones feel like you're like it's like I said NPC and someone else's narrative Which is also his somatic feeling. Like number three like not cancelling out your good traits with hubris bad trades. And then number four Not pricing things in ETH because the decimals make purchase seems cheap. Which is, I think, my problem with lunch break is when I see things in ETH, I don't remember how much it is in USD anymore.

And then the last one, I think, is the trickiest, which is the sensitivity to social trends and being at the right place at the right time. I think the first four are like general good principles that people can adhere to. Number five is the trickiest, right? Because In a way, why do I check Warpcast first thing in the morning?

It's because I'm like, oh, I might miss out on something that's important for me to know or a stupid airdrop or whatever. And however, I feel like that's been the most detrimental to my mental health. And spiritual health. So so I was trying to parse out like, what are the possible things, squeeze things I can squeeze out of like the whole like feeling FOMO sort of thing.

And it's think five, like to me like there was like In Lord of the Rings, I think is it Frodo who says like, when Gandalf asks, how are you feeling? It's I feel like butter spread over too much bread. Like that is the feeling I feel when I'm on his platform. I feel like really thinned out.

So that's something I want to move away from. However, I think the sensitivity to social trends, like the good components are like understanding that there is often a low status trade off. Like you might be on to something that makes no sense But that would make sense in the long run like Art's rants I think what i've always observed is that you would say something really controversial but then like After a few days people would say the same things in softer tones and then it'll become the meta and i'll be like, oh no, I criticize you for being too harsh too early because Then this is just trying to transgives.

So I think there is like something like that where you have to be okay with like You saying controversial things, which I think you do really well. And also,

BArt-Head

thank you for the compliment. 

BeavChris

And also like knowing admirable people. Like I think a lot of these social trends even being on Farcaster, right? It's people who are in the know, essentially. And I think that the hard part to parcel out is who is in the know that you actually would admire in the absence of everything that's going on here? Are they like, completely status chasing in a way that's really off putting, actually, if you really think about it, that kind of thing? So these are the things I'm struggling with. But the reason why I'm spouting off these five things is because I'm not a good trader. And I perceive you to be a good one. So would you say these are the characteristics to, to being a good trader, a good decision maker, or is it too generic? 

BArt-Head

I read the list. I thought they all carry very useful guides. Trading is really hard. It's really hard. It changes all the time, but it also never changes. It's a really difficult, challenging thing to do. It's easier to be lucky. Absolutely. It's way easier to be lucky. And then even when you're lucky, it's easy to fumble it. So there 

BeavChris

Is it through hubris? Is that how you fumble? 

BArt-Head

No yeah, you can fumble, but just by getting it wrong. That's a natural part of getting, it's getting wrong. Just like playing poker, sometimes you, you get a bad beat, and then things happen. So part of it is that's just the nature of things. I think the spiritual practice can definitely help. And there's another layer, I think, which is agency. 

So to first be aware that, you're feeling like butter over toast. And then knowing what to do about it. When I was a professional trader, like the most common thing the older traders would tell me, 

I didn't listen. The most common thing they would tell me. Go to bed early and work out. 

BeavChris

Wait, that's different from what I saw on the Wolf of Wall Street. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. All I wanted to do was go and drink and smoke and stay up late and party and and rely on my wits and whatever chemical assisted decision making, but the older guys are like, just go run on a treadmill, lift some heavy weights. And then your mind will go clear, which is, yeah, it's another layer. I know the only thing I wanted to do was go and drink, smoke, and party. That's all I wanted to do. That was my driving force. It's not easy advice to take. 

BeavChris

So like for every moment, so I think this came up in my weird like declarations and telegram chat with you of me going, we need to do more. I forgot what's the word I use. It was a very strong word, but it's, I sense that The key to enjoying or maybe like it has to do with a novelty driven brains like me is like I am actually starting to feel like tired on this platform because I see myself doing the same thing over and over again, right?

Like shit posting or whatever, or even like sincere posting is oh, it's reaching the same people over and over again. And I feel like the game is how do I make this more challenging and to do that I need to do more hard things that are not sexy and not even like that visible. Begging for sponsorships and then all those sort of things so so I think it's something like where Like I understand you're like complaining, but you're also building the new client etc. But I also feel like for me It's like this sense of like how can I actually follow these principles more and not get that dopamine hit I'm getting from seeing something new on Farcaster .

BArt-Head

The first thing is to identify it and to identify it properly. And then the, then you make a decision on how to how to respond. I think it's useful to express and it's also useful to express out loud. Right now in the U S there's a lot of talk about the election and how there is a maybe an emperor's new clothes situation. 

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. That was a really good article that Zoo posted. 

BArt-Head

There was an article that Zoo shared, which actually comes from Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory. I, Epsilon Theory is super well written. I don't like it, but it is super well written. And Zoo also added like really good comments on it.

But the idea is everybody knew that our president was old and decrepit and getting worse. But lots of people would enable it and kept on going with it until President Biden himself became, The boy who said, Hey, he's naked. Like he himself was the whistleblower, but once it becomes okay for people to identify the problem then maybe some solutions can be found, are able to be applied. 

Before the debate, I think the Democratic Party could not seriously consider alternatives. And even now it's a struggle, right? Because Obama's come out to support him and it's tough. It's not easy just to have, just to identify the problem. solutions are hard, but at some point it is useful to identify the problem. 

I think, I make my criticisms very, sometimes I try really hard to make them very sharp and other times I'm just like goofing around like it doesn't matter so I can throw shit and, tee hee with my friends, but sometimes I try really hard. I do get the pushback.

BeavChris

You're an older relative. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, but I do get the pushback and I do feel it of people saying like you're not constructive. That's not, Useful, but, maybe it opens up space for the softer criticisms to land. Or maybe it didn't matter. It could be that it didn't matter at all.

It was just a stupid thing that made people feel bad. And that's not good. 

BeavChris

Yeah I'm somewhat annoyed because I thought starting like with this in the beginning of the stream that I was going to move you by one delta, but I think as usual the opposite happened where I'm like, God dang it, he has a point. 

BArt-Head

I hope everybody who's watching feels exactly 100 percent the same way. 

BeavChris

Yeah, sure. 

BArt-Head

Join us to watch Christin move by one delta. 

BeavChris

Exactly. 

BArt-Head

And look at my smug face enjoying it. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Alright, thank you everyone for listening. I think we're going to end the show here.

BArt-Head

Yes. Thank you for listening. Wow. Thank you for listening. 

BeavChris

We will actually continue this conversation, I think, in our group chat. If you are not already as part of our group chat, please ask me or Art for an invite where you will get exclusive on the fly made memes and debates. 

BArt-Head

Let's say shitty memes. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Exactly. And further heart to heart discussions on what we are doing with our lives, spending time on this platform. All right. 

BArt-Head

Take care, everybody. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining our chat. We'll see you in our group chat. Take care. 

BArt-Head

Cheers. Bye bye.

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stellabelle 

All right, welcome everyone to the Cryptoart School, where we, where learning is number one. And today we have a really special guest, someone that I've been noticing on Farcaster. Hello, Farc Far Chiver and Angelika Kollin, our first two guests for today, I have been noticing like Art Lu is going to be our main speaker today because I actually haven't tried the alt clients, but I noticed that, that certain people have, have tried, or they're, they have like extensive knowledge of about the alternative clients.

So we are going to wait till artlu comes because really that's, that's the main, the main deal for today. I'm interested in learning all about the alt clients because I want to see if it's a better experience or like we could all get behind one. I also. Well, I'm not supposed to say anything, but there's another one being made for the art community and that one, of course, they're going to have their own everything by the time it's built and.

So we are waiting. If there's anyone that wants to talk, we're waiting for artlu because, because really that's the main source of information. So how's it going? Farchiver and Angelika, if you want to say hello,

wait till artlu gets here.

Angelika Kollin

Yeah. Good morning, everyone. I just Farchiver posted in a chat that he or she is the artlu, the, what you're waiting for.

stellabelle

Oh. Yes, I didn't realize that

artlu

hello. This is artlu. If you can hear me, please give a shout out, but I can

stellabelle

hear you I was I was waiting for artlu. What the heck? Well, you got another you got another alt account, don't you?

artlu

I've got several alt accounts. Farchiver is a business that I started about a year ago to, to download your Farcaster history onto your computer.

And I co host a a podcast called The BCBH Show. So operate that account, which is a show.

stellabelle

I was... something real quick about that. It's, it's a very cumbersome letters to remember. Like, it's very difficult to kind of like, I don't know, remember those, those letters for the client. I don't know. Have you ever thought about changing the name?

artlu

Yeah. Well, well, we, we tried to pick letters that roll off the tongue. And we couldn't. So we ended up with this. B. C. stands for BeavChris, who is my co host, christin, and I am BArt-Head. It started off as the Beav, it used to be longer, The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show, Light Client, L I G H T, and I shortened it to L I T E, and people were complaining they couldn't say BeavChris.

They could always say BArt-Head, But sometimes they accidentally said butthead and it made me feel bad

stellabelle

But it, just rename it to butthead. I think I want to remember that.

artlu

Yeah!

stellabelle

While we're on the topic we might get there I just, I want to thank you for making that little cheat sheet. Everyone should go out later and check out artlu.

I'm telling you that's, that's the person that I know.

artlu

Right. So apologies. I'm not showing up with the right PFP. And I can, I know, I know it does overlap a little bit with what we wanted to talk about, but I wanna

stellabelle

to get to one part that I found absolutely hilarious. You said it's too bad we're on audio because I'm so good looking.

So you, you have to post a photo of yourself. Come on. Let's see the goods. Let's see.

artlu

I don't under, I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so funny. Like,

stellabelle

no, because, because people are like, kind of like bred to be kind of humble or like, at least, at least that's how it was in my family. Like you don't brag, you don't brag.

It's a, it's a happy Midwestern family. Like we have values, loyalty, humble, you're supposed to be humble, you're supposed to We're not. Brag about yourself. And here you are, aren't you Artlu. You're bragging. You're bragging. You don't know who you're talking to. I was a Tokyo high fashion model.

artlu

Yeah. I heard that. I'm excited about that. I'm excited.

stellabelle

But I'm, I've, I've really gone downhill. I'm older. So like, I, I mean, I never used to brag. I never used to brag about any of that shit. It was like, yeah, I'm a model, whatever. But then now that I'm ugly and fat, I'm like, yeah, fuck. I used to look good.

artlu

We are in the same boat.

stellabelle

Wait, you used to be a model.

artlu

No no, no, no, no. But I used to be good looking. Now I'm old and ugly.

stellabelle

And now we have to brag because we never bragged before. Is that it?

artlu

Yeah. I, I actually bragged before, but yeah, ,

stellabelle

we still, oh my God. You're just like a braggart. You've got to show, okay. Okay. After the thing is over, we need to. Do a full, get your best photo and, and post it. We're going to have a, I used to be hot.

I used to be hot. People will want to see that.

artlu

This would be a funny thread. It would be a very interesting thread on Farcas. On Warpcast this is how I used to look, and this is how I look now.

stellabelle

We're gonna start the train. You're gonna start it, or I will start. I'm an instigator.

artlu

Yeah, there is a meme of before Farcaster and after Farcaster.

stellabelle

Okay, yeah, yeah, we can show our ugly selves now, right?

artlu

Well, yeah, I think it's very nice to be authentic. I think it's great to show who we are

stellabelle

yeah

artlu

worked for many many years In a situation where I couldn't show my face, or I convinced myself, I couldn't show my face.

stellabelle

Yeah

artlu

I thought it was a very important on decentralized social media in our podcast to actually show our faces

stellabelle

Yeah, I know not that many people are doing it cause I'm kind of shy though.

Like I never, I never got into the whole, I like to dress up and pretend like a kid, you know, like I still kind of like that, but I don't like to like do selfies and like do thirst traps. Although like I could have. Like, I believe I could totally exploit that, but I, but it feels, it feels shitty to do that.

Like, I don't, I don't want to do that. Like, I don't, that's not, that's not my thing. You know what I mean?

artlu

Yeah. If it's not your thing, don't do it, but I have nothing against it.

stellabelle

I don't either. I just, for myself, I don't feel comfortable.

artlu

A bunch of men were showing their their musculars. And it was amazing.

I loved it. And you know, now we have women showing their different body parts. And I think that's great if they want to do that. That's that's perfect,

stellabelle

but but then it gets like you don't there is kind of a thing where You don't know who's real kind of true because actually I I do mess around with filters and I like to show people that hey this this is not me.

I like to show people what What the filters do. And then like, Hey, no, this is what I actually look like. So you should never really trust a photo because you can just make yourself look so different, you know, but anyway, that's another side topic. We should just get into it. So I love how your little poster that you created the little infographic let's be precise here.

Farcaster

🎩.artlu.eth👃呂Kunst 1% on Warpcast

An overview of Farcaster alt clients (incomplete). I will try to give a high-level overview to start, then spend most of the FarHouse on detailed q&a https://imagedelivery.net/BXluQx4ige9GuW0Ia56BHw/d4e6b6e9-0273-4031-0cf1-29d1b176b500/original

You have, I love how you started out. It says Warpcast sucks. And here's some. That suck too, but let's explore.

I just thought like, I thought like when I, before we met and everything, I kind of was observing what you were, Putting out there on Warpcast. And it's, I was like, this guy's smart. There's something about you that has like an edge. I couldn't really figure out exactly what, but I was like, you're smart.

You're witty. You make fun of stuff, but then you're also like highly intelligent. So that's what I thought. And now you're good looking on top of it. What the hell? I'm just joking.

artlu

Yeah, exactly. I haven't told you yet. I'm six foot four.

stellabelle

What?

artlu

And I'm, like, massively rich, so

stellabelle

Ha ha!

That's weird because, like, I'm six foot, which is really tall for a woman, but I shrunk a little bit.

Now I'm 5'11 And, yeah, I'm filthy rich, too. So, like, this is, like, perfect.

artlu

All right,

stellabelle

so it's no big deal that we're good looking.

Yeah, like forget about being good looking. We're rich. We're tall. We're, you know, genetically strong, whatever. I'm just being shitty. Like whatever.

artlu

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it.

stellabelle

So like, if we're so rich, what the fuck are we doing on like this podcast thing or whatever?

artlu

Speaking with a bunch of internet friends.

stellabelle

We care about community, right? We appreciate it. I'm joking about that, but I actually do, but you know, I want to have a robust community where we know each other.

We know how to, we can trust each other like over time, like finding high quality individuals. That's part of my goal in life. Trustworthy people anyway.

artlu

So I want to add that trustworthy people are, they come from everywhere. They don't necessarily come from the places you expect, and often you can find them in places that if you have an open space, those people get to rise.

And if you don't have an open space, well, maybe you miss out on finding some people that you would have liked to discover. Exactly. Because they have value, they have talents, they have things to share.

stellabelle

And they're literally from all over the world. I've got friends in like so many countries that I've known for years in like the decentralized social media, the crypto space.

Like Nigeria, my friend, shout out to Yanga. He's like one of the best artists that I, that I've come in contact with, you know,

artlu

shout out Nigeria. I, I spoke on my podcast yesterday for five plus minutes about my favorite Nigerian who's a Nigerian American Hakeem Olajuwon, and we have many, many Nigerians on Farcaster.

Some of them are not openly sharing their origin, but many of them are proud. And I, I'm very happy that they're proud. And I understand if people also want to maintain anonymity for where they're coming from, like it all works. And maybe let me get into the alt client space and why I'm interested and I'm really excited that you reached out to me to talk about this.

Warpcast is, well, sorry, Farcaster has been around for a couple of years now. And I did not join at the beginning, I joined at the time it felt like I joined very late. And it was fascinating to me to find that there was a protocol and there was a, a signature client on the protocol. And there were many other clients who had equal access to the data on the protocol.

So it was called permissionless. And that was very different from Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, et cetera, et cetera YouTube, in that it, things were permissionless, things were cozy, they were exciting, and there was this proliferation of experiments in the form of different ways to mix and match, and remix the data, and present it in different ways.

So you could say, at that time, this was like, Over a year ago that if you didn't like the way things work, you could go and. Do something completely different, but use the same underlying information as well as the connections that we had as human beings made with each other in a text based medium. And there were like two image focused clients that were coming out that were just for people to share their photography and their visual art.

So you could have a space that had very high resolution images. Shown because, you know, you know very well if you upload something that you've slaved over into a little tiny JPEG and it gets shown in a strange aspect ratio or with artifacts around it or hidden maybe behind a click. That doesn't feel as good as if you can show off the care and attention that you put into the, into the artwork in this, in the expression.

So there were several attempts at image only clients, and I can talk more about them and my, my observation of what happened with them. And there were several clients that that gave you access to the work cast and the, and the, and the back and forth conversations. In ways that were slightly different from what was presented on Warpcast.

And they were just very interesting to me as a data nerd, that it was just like, it was a catnip. It was just the most amazing thing that anybody could get the data right at around the same time. Twitter was locking down their APIs and Facebook had locked out their data and they were all closed ecosystems.

And this space was open to And free and available for everyone to participate. And this was about a year ago. And as you can see in this chart here, there are many, many live, viable, open clients that let you access Warpcast data through other means. And in this list that fills up a whole screen. More than two thirds and maybe four fifths of them have been around and under active development with the devs, well known by the community, continuing to contribute with great reputations, and they just continue to plug away.

Let me highlight some of the. Older ones herocast started off as a solo project that was subscription based. It was fairly expensive. If I remember right, it was like 70 a month and it was meant to be really high end. And then he pivoted to a free and open source model free and open source software.

And so the, HeroCast was one of the first alt clients. Anytime the Warpcast team came up with a new feature, HeroCast and some of the other clients would try to quickly copy them, implement them. remix them, compose them, add new things. And that was a very exciting time. What I think ended up happening was Warpcast or Farcaster grew from maybe 500 active users to 1500 active users to this one kind of snapshot date, which was the Farcaster OG NFT snapshot date.

If you were an active user, so there, there used to be a badge called the active badge. If you were an active user,

stellabelle

I remember that. 'cause I think I started, right at the time I had an active badge. So I got used to that idea.

artlu

That's right.

stellabelle

Active. You have like, what was it, 2000 followers or something? Was

artlu

It was 100 followers.

stellabelle

100, okay.

artlu

Yeah. So it was like this big race to get to 100 and as long as you had been sharing information, if like, you know, right now they're, they're saying they want you to cast in streaks. The active badge encouraged you to cast in streaks. It encouraged you to cast a lot and you need a 100 and then you would get an active badge.

And there was one drop of an NFT, which at the time was worthless. And that that enticed some growth to the network. So lots of people saw that the team was dropping NFTs, which were worthless. But at one point, I think that Farcaster OG NFT traded hands, Above 10, 000 for one NFT.

stellabelle

Really?

artlu

Yeah. At one point somebody sold one on OpenSea, so it's all open and you can see it you can see who bought it, who sold it as well for 10,000.

And of course there were many people in the world of crypto and the world of social media who thought, Hey, that's great. And shortly after that $DEGEN launched, which was dropped to the original Farcaster community and then started to be used and then distributed even way, like way beyond, I think anybody's wildest dreams and it grew into a very large ecosystem.

And today we have These large ecosystems, but they bring with them different problems and challenges and the wordcast team has evolved from the active badge, which did not scale like a hundred followers did not scale. They said, well, let's make it 400 followers, but they realized it's just going to be it's going to continue to penalize new users for no real benefit.

But there's no, there's no way to give a badge to someone with 400 users because that's also too easy. So they came up with the concept of the Power Badge. And that Power Badge was a different Power Badge than the one we have today. And Warpcast started to very actively suppress different kinds of activity that had not been suppressed before.

And this is both a blessing and a curse.

stellabelle

So let's talk about that just for a second. What kind, what are you talking about exactly? I will tell you something that I've noticed from the beginning and that anything artistic never makes it to the trending page. Have you noticed I've been looking at that?

Cause I've had some of my posts That are viral, have a lot of engagement, especially roll my roll call that I do in the school. That's just to give a little scoopy snack to anyone that shows up. It's like an attendance, you know, you show up for class, you get a little, you know, tip or whatever. It's just to keep people engaged, you know, those never make it to the trending page.

So people don't even really understand like what I'm doing because none of my posts. Ever make it to the trending and I've analyzed what makes it to the trending. It's like all of handpicked what Dan and those people want and what their, their world is about. And so like nothing different ever makes it there.

And it's, is that what you mean by suppressed? Or what do you, how are you, how are you defining what, what they're suppressing and how are they doing it?

artlu

Yeah. So first off, absolutely. I have noticed this for art content that it has a very hard time becoming getting highlighted inside the community. And I think many artists have had to gather together to support each other because it's a, it's a very challenging environment to to compete for attention.

You might get a picture of food becoming viral way more so than something that somebody has put an immense amount of skill and effort and talent Into and I'm just picking

stellabelle

just the popularity popularity contest, meaning there's certain accounts that just are on trending, but you know, yep. So

artlu

I think they do have they, they, the, the team, the Warpcast team sees themselves as tastemakers and they, they, they were curating very carefully, even The people who could participate in Warpcast at the beginning, right?

The first set of people had to be invited and then they started to give out invites to try to get the people they had invited to invite good people like minded people. And then because we're in crypto, we went to permissionless and then lots of people came in with no preexisting connections or friends or communities.

And. And it's a challenge to fight, to let people find their communities as well as to to maintain some of the values that they clearly they clearly see, like one of the strong values in Farcaster is thoughtful conversations. And I would, I would say back to you that when I looked at the trending feed at different points in time, I saw no evidence of thoughtful conversations.

And I saw many visual casts of, let's say, free mints of low effort AI generated artwork, which did make it too trending.

stellabelle

Right.

artlu

So, I don't necessarily think they blocked visual art, but I think they maybe had some of the ultra viral stuff become so ultra viral that could not be cleanly knocked out.

stellabelle

Maybe they have like a Greenlight account that they can go on trending, because it's certainly not based on engagement. I can tell you that for sure.

artlu

I I don't know the details of the algorithm for trending. What I do know as a client developer is that there are many different algorithms for any client to shop around and present to their users.

And that's also a challenge because people are used to a certain experience And if you go to another client and you find something that's completely different, that's very jarring. If you don't see your friends, for example, you go, Oh, like, have I landed in a different country? If you see everyone, if you all of a sudden see that everybody is talking about Degen.

Whereas before you had not seen that, that might be very surprising. And also if you see people are speaking in different languages, that might be very surprising. So it's a, it is definitely a challenge, but the, but the message for you is that the client developers have a choice of different feeds to choose from and work cast, they have their own feeds.

They are actively developing. Machine learning models to present the best experience to compete in this open marketplace for attention, and they think that their approach is the right one, which will lead to growth of the network growth of the protocol. Enrichment of the right people and elevation of the right people.

And, you know, it is an open economy. So if the wrong people get enriched, that happens, that actually does happen. And that's up to just the market to decide. But it is not a free speech space in the sense that they do shape the experience that people have in the same way that all these clients shape the experience.

So let me go into the alt client experience. I got pushed into trying the other client. So when I first joined Warcast, it was overwhelming and I thought this is like Twitter, but it's not like Twitter. And there's different people here. There's different conversations here. I don't have time or mental space to figure out another client.

And there's many things to think about and pursue. That have nothing to do with other clients. Like you might want to make money. You might want to get a job. You might want to find a dates. You might want to do all kinds of things. I think trying out other technology when the existing technology is used by 98 percent of the other people there makes very little sense.

And that's a challenge for all of these developers who have Spent blood, sweat, tears and money to make these other interfaces. And so each of the clients has, from what I could tell, a very unique approach to try to entice people to use them, possibly entice people to pay them. And to give features that that are unique that you can't find elsewhere, or they're new, or they give access to different communities that you wouldn't find elsewhere.

stellabelle

Hey, I was wondering if we could go if I could ask you a few questions just while we're what are the daily active user numbers for these alt clients, for example, supercasts, and also, Is a nook, did it go under because of server costs? Like, I think I would think it'd be very expensive to actually do this.

artlu

Right.

stellabelle

As far as hosting the data and stuff like that. So that's,

artlu

that's a very good question. There are certain artifacts that you can find on chain to tell you which clients are being used to cast or to react, you know, to like and recast and quote cast. And so those numbers are shown in various Dune dashboards.

I haven't looked very closely at them in a long time. I would open up that question to Woj, who is the developer behind Supercast, to share whatever private information he collects. But my understanding is that Warpcast Traffic makes up something like 98 percent of the traffic on the network. So the client space is very low.

Nook, you mentioned was a very short project that came, it was VC backed. The two guys who built it are really of high reputation and pedigree within the crypto space. And they shared, as they were shutting down, they shared the numbers. That they got of users in Nook. And I would encourage people not to listen to me, but to look at the stuff that was shared on chain in Dune dashboards to see what was going on.

But my recollection was that Nook had just launched. It was in test flight. It was hard to sign up but they had something like a 100 daily active users, right? And, and you had asked about server costs. So Nook was VC backed and they wanted to grow very fast. One of the founders, the one of the co founders had built something called Flink.

F. L. I. N. K. Which had gotten something like 000 users. It was big. And he thought, you know, based on that experience, he should do it properly and, and go for a real alternative client that could challenge Warpcast. And after a short period of time, they were at 100 daily users and not, and from me just eyeballing the graph, it was not growing.

stellabelle

And also I heard it costs 2,000, 2,000 a month.

artlu

Yeah, it was something like that. And he's, he's actually been so good as to share the code base.

And there's different, there's different projects thinking of forking that and re implementing that. To me, 2, 000 a month is a lot to spend.

stellabelle

Yeah.

artlu

It's I emphasize that they were VC backed, so they did not have the luxury of time.

They did not have the luxury of slow organic growth and they wanted to spend so that they could focus on delivering features that would drive very fast viral growth. And so why did they just fold like so fast? I don't know. They haven't shared that. Sorry. They have talked in a lot of detail in different casts about the general thinking, but the, the basic idea, I think is like that, that's That particular business model did not make sense for those particular people.

They have other opportunities that they're looking to pursue. And I'm really excited to see whatever they come up with that they thought would be more worthwhile of their own time than building Nook. But, you know, in my table, I made, A very clear column for business model, which I think impacts your choice of which which client to use, not just because 10 a month is a lot of money for some people, but also because you want a sense if you're going to be investing in something in building a community somewhere that that place is going to remain there.

So a lot of these, you know projects have been around for long enough that you imagine they're either going to survive for a long time or they're going to go bust pretty soon.

stellabelle

I just, I wanted to also mention, I did I reached out to Woj of Supercast and he just, he couldn't make it today, but he said, I said, well, Hey, you know, let me know when we can have one just with Supercast because that's helpful later.

artlu

The TLDR of Supercast is that for end users, it costs 10 a month. They try to justify

stellabelle

desktop, right? Only

artlu

right now it's desktop plus PWA. supercast is my daily driver on my iPhone

stellabelle

what's PWA?

artlu

So PWA is you go like on my iPhone, I go to Safari and I go to the website and then I click a little button at the bottom that says, save to my home screen.

And it makes something that looks just like an app, but it's actually a wrapper around a website and it's not as powerful as a native app, but it is optimized for mobile use. So his code will show one set of screens on desktop where you have a big screen, but it will show a different set of menus on your phone so that you can see everything and do everything that you need to.

So supercast is my daily driver on my iPhone and I think it works perfectly. There's one little caveat, which is that because it's a website running inside an app, the notifications. Do not work the same way as they do for a proper app, which can send notifications to your phone and they show up next to also,

stellabelle

also I want to let people know something that I just learned.

I didn't realize I had been direct casting to Woj of supercast on Warpcast and he does not get those messages because. At the protocol level, those direct casts are not going through to him using super cast and he didn't even know that I'd been messaging him. That's something I didn't understand at all.

So don't message people that are using different clients. Cause I don't think it works.

artlu

Well, no, that,

stellabelle

yeah,

artlu

the messaging is, I guess you were around before there was messaging, right? So they added messaging on top. It was not part of the original conception of the early, early startup of building something to compete with Twitter.

And so messaging lives in Warpcast only. They're starting to open it up. So here's something funny. Supercast can send direct casts, but it cannot receive them.

stellabelle

What? And so you can't receive any direct messages when you're on supercast?

artlu

Well, while you're logged into the supercast app, you will not receive direct messages, but like when I'm on my desktop, I have one screen open for Warpcast and one for supercast.

And I flip back and forth between them and you know, I see my messages. So I use Supercast as my daily driver, but You can find me on Warpcast because I think most people who use an alternative client have to keep one foot in Warpcast away from the alternative because of these unique features that have not been rolled out yet.

And the funny thing about the one way sending of direct messages is that that's just the first step before they enable you to receive them outside of Warpcast. So that should be coming at some point in the future. It's just that they're doing it in phases. And so Supercast can send. It cannot receive it.

Woj is a particular case because he is actively dog food in his own product. So he's, if he can't exist, then how can he expect, you know, his, his clients to, so he's, he's feeling the pain of not being contactable and he's encouraged to, to address that as quickly as he can.

stellabelle

Yeah. We actually had to go on telegram to communicate.

artlu

Yeah. Yeah. That's a, It's something that, that we have to do. And you know, we are so early. Yeah. So there are, there are different there's different business reasons as well as different technical reasons for all of this, but you raise a good point that messaging is not in clients. Channels is not in clients.

So follow channels, it's not on the protocol. So if you follow a channel in Warpcast, the other clients can see that you followed the channel but and so they can show you that channel that you followed There's no way for another client to allow a user to follow a channel. So if you are a channel host and you want subscriber you want followers in your channel. You basically have to talk to your community as if they are at least coming back to Warpcast to, to follow your channel.

And, by the way, that's also just an intermediate stage. They're working on decentralizing it, so at some point, they will open up channel follows. To other clients, at which point, you know, everybody will be able to see which clients have active development because they, they'll be racing to implement it.

And then you'll also see which clients are kind of dead. Like the dev, developer has moved on or given up because you'll see, oh, it doesn't have this yet. The other guys do like, for example, frames. There's a lot of clients that don't have frames and frames have been around since february.

stellabelle

Yeah

artlu

and if you if you haven't been working on it since february, you probably haven't built frames. If you just started working on it like me in BCBH Show Lite Client, You haven't gotten around to it, but if you're somewhere in between it's a choice to, to not do it because you're doing something else.

stellabelle

So which, which Alt client has the most users. Is that Supercast?

artlu

Yes. Supercast has the most users. My two daily drivers are Supercast and Recaster. And recast yeah recaster was very new.

stellabelle

I think I think the japanese community I remember eiteen is here. Ohayou gozaimasu It's probably late for her. Oh,

artlu

it's very late.

stellabelle

Yes. Thank you. Thank you for joining

I just wanted to say, you know, something in Japanese kind of sucks. It's like at a third grade level, but I, I think I remember something about recaster that the Japanese community was looking into that particular app or client.

artlu

Yeah, I did not know about that. So let me speak briefly about recaster.

It's very new. It is react native. So all the things I said about notifications don't apply. You can have like deep links straight into the app, just like Warpcast, and it, it's designed as its first phase to look and feel very much like Warpcast. So unlike the other clients, which are all trying to do different things.

Recaster to me feels very much like Warpcast. And that's kind of why I like it. I like to use that it's it's got some slightly different choices and let me highlight them to two of them. One of them is that the power badge as used to filter out. You know, people you don't want to see is an easy flip in recaster.

So you can say use priority mode on, use priority mode off. It's not hidden inside several layers of settings and it's not global. It's just whatever you feel like at the moment, you, you, you look at your feed and you look at your replies. And if they look like they're too spammy, there's too many. You flip priority mode on and you see what's there.

You flip priority mode off and you see what you missed. But it's like it's right there. And that's, that's really nice to me because I try to interact with people who don't have the power badge. And the other nice thing about recaster. Is that within the action button, there's a, there's like a very native translation option.

So if you see a cast that's in a language that you don't read or understand, it sends you off to Google translate and it can handle all the languages that Google translate can handle. So it's like, it's a, it scales very, very well and it does not cost the developer or the project. A lot of money to continue to pay for AI translation.

They're just bootstrapping or they're piggybacking off of Google, which makes its money in other ways. So in recaster, I find it, I guess what I see is the Japanese community finds it easy to read English language casts because they can translate it right there. The English speaking community can find it easy to traverse.

Non English speaking discussions, because the translation is right there. Now, by the way, in Warpcast, there are actions that let you translate in very much the same way. So it's not a recaster only feature and in Supercast on my iPhone. I just highlight the text and the iPhone itself says, Hey, would, would you like me to translate that for you?

And I click on translate and my phone does the translation.

stellabelle

Yeah, there's, I mean, at this point, that's what I thought it was so ridiculous when we don't need to go into that really. Cause I think we all know what we're talking about. It's so absurd and obscene to say what, what Dan said, because honestly, we need to welcome everyone from the whole world.

And like this exclusionary mindset, this elitist attitude is really what's causing the growth to decline in my mind because it really pissed off entire countries. And I think that's, I think that's the wrong approach. That's like the wrong mindset. That's the wrong person. Like, what the fuck was that?

Seriously? Like, Come on, what kind of fucking asshole are you? Like someone needs to get it out there and just say, you know what, go fuck yourself because that's not right. You know, we have a sense of what's right. And what's wrong about treatment of other human beings, humanity, right? Yes. And, and this is not the future of being an elitist and saying you have to speak English.

Well, go fuck yourself. Cause no, we don't.

artlu

No, I appreciate you for saying that stellabelle.

stellabelle

No, I, I'm so, I will call out, I will call out asshole behavior because it really indicates to me sort of I know this sort of elitist bullshit cause I'm here in the United States as well. There is a thing in Silicon Valley.

There's, there is a thing though. The people there are not like grounded in, in what I would say is basic human values. They don't seem to have it a lot of the people because they're, they're into money and especially like when you're VC funded, imagine the pressure. You've got so many millions, and now you have to, now you have new people to an, you have new gods to answer to, which is the money God.

And when you get into that, you're going to it. You're, I don't know, like I think it, it really messes with people's minds. But I don't know. I couldn't, I actually was in disbelief when that happened. Yes, I couldn't grasp. Were you in disbelief too? So

artlu

yeah, I have in the past said to different people in the ecosystem to go fuck yourself.

And, Sometimes the people, the other people that I'm not talking to choose to tune me out.

stellabelle

Me too.

artlu

And like, I, I kind of, Happy to say to them, go fuck yourselves as well. But

stellabelle

on top of that, that's why I thought, Hey, I can get along with you because, because, because it's okay. It's this basic thing. When people are in power, you get. Okay, the masses, the majority of the people are afraid, okay? They're afraid of those who are in power. This is the primary problem, this is one of the major problems in society.

People are afraid to call out something when it's not right. All I'm saying is you treat people with decency and you respect other cultures. You don't, you don't try to be a colonial person and And it's like saying, Oh, you have to do things my way, my language, my, this, my, that, no, go fuck yourself.

Okay.

artlu

You know what? I appreciate that you are saying this with your Midwest accent as an American, it's important for the rest of the world to know that Midwesterners are not all fucking assholes. Yeah. It's not the middle that that looks down on the rest of the world. No, it's not the middle of America.

It's the elites.

stellabelle

It's the elitist. It's the elite fuckers who think that they can just like decide for the rest of us. No, and

artlu

it's not common either because I am on the coast. I'm in New York city. Okay. We speak so many different languages as you walk down the street here and you smell and you, you have every single kind of interaction.

stellabelle

And it's richer. It's a richer life when you have different people, different languages, different cultures intermixing. It's way more interesting.

artlu

And we, we are on the internet and we're trying to make this new society so that we can derive value from interacting with people all over the world. And maybe let me get off my soapbox with one last thing that these The Warpcast sucks in very specific ways.

stellabelle

Yeah.

artlu

The alt clients, they suck in different ways.

stellabelle

I love, I love that so much. And I think, I think, well, let me, let me go back to one thing in New York. Like New Yorkers are very, you're in New York city maybe?

artlu

Yes.

stellabelle

And like, Yeah. Yeah. When I think of New Yorkers, I think of like, they're very critical. They, they lash out because there's no time.

Like get the fuck out of my way. You know, give me a coffee, give me a coffee right now. Or it's like the mid and you don't think of Midwestern people, like people have this idea of people in the Midwest. Like they're, they're like a certain type of person I'm telling you, like, it's not, you can't, you can't just categorize people like that stereotype people because I'm, I'm very radical, right?

Like in a way, but I live here because I value things like water, clean water. I have clean air. Guess what? I have the ability to grow food. These are things that are like going to be extremely valuable in the future. Like in 20 years, people are going to want clean air, clean water, and the basics of life.

We have that here. I used to live in California. Guess what? It never rains out there. I, it scared the crap out of me.

artlu

Yes.

stellabelle

I love the ocean and everything, but fuck, I don't want to live in a place where I don't have access to clean water. Like we have the, one of the best water sources underground, it rains here and it's like, I've never appreciated it as much as I do now, having traveled to Beijing, having traveled to New York city, having traveled, lived in California.

It's like, you know, the basics are here and I think people in the cities and the future might think twice about what they're doing because you don't have the basics there. You have so many people, tons of concrete. I mean, what the fuck? That's not for life. You know, that's for something else. But that's, no, no

artlu

for, for everyone who came here to hear about alt clients.

stellabelle

Oh, .

artlu

We've talked about supercast and recaster.

stellabelle

Yeah.

artlu

There are a couple here in my list that I do not know very well, but have very large communities, so they're. There's a set of them that are not pure Farcaster, but they integrate with Lens, CyberConnect, like different other communities. There's one called U3, which is a team that was combining all kinds of aggregation, and they have launched, kind of in parallel, Degencast, which is a new, it's a new product, but that team has been building in the space for a long time, and it is absolutely beautiful.

And it is designed with lots of really cool things that are interesting to the DGEN community. And then there's one that didn't make it on my list. It's called MemeCaster. And MemeCaster is focused on any meme coin community. So if what you're doing on FarCaster involves a lot of meme coin related information and interactions, There are clients that will make those much easier to accomplish because they will present the information to you right where you want it, when you want it, etc.

Now for artists, it is a bit I think it's a bit more challenging. I'm not an artist myself, but my wife is. And so I have a sense, like she's on Instagram and Xiaohongshu. And like the, the possible experiences in web3 for someone like her are very, very different. One of my friends, Chris CoCreated has launched a co creation centered client community.

I think he launched it today. So if people are interested, Chris. Is an artist and he's like a I don't want to talk bad about his dev skills, but he's an artist.

stellabelle

Hey, I'm on the topic. I'm going to, I'm going to like just enter to there. There is something on the horizon. I'm not allowed to talk about it, but for art, for the art community, the entire community, which you have to acknowledge collectors are a huge part Yes. Part of that curators and people that share art like myself and blue cockatoo.

artlu

Blue cockatoo.

stellabelle

There is something that is on the, you know, on the verge of being built. And so there is something that we, they'll probably do a far house in the future. Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting because it's artist led, but then there's developers and stuff too.

artlu

Yeah, I will definitely use it.

Can I just say, I'm sorry, I have a hard stop in five minutes cause my son is getting out of his last day of school and I must pick him up. Okay. But can we open it up to any questions?

stellabelle

Wait, there's still school. Okay. Nevermind. Any questions? Any questions? You're, you're the expert. And I know that I know there's other people on the stage that will want to talk.

So let's open up to questions. Anyone have questions?

Fractal Visions

Hey, how's it going? Okay. Yeah.

Farchiiver. Have you heard of the client called ClubCast?

stellabelle

No.

Fractal Visions

Another client that I got put on to a little while back, but I really haven't touched it and I think like I have to access through my browser and then it asked me to like install some unorthodox way other than, than an actual app Like the long hold to add to the home screen or something like that.

But it glitches out on me all the time. So I'm having some issues. I was just wondering if anybody else had heard of Clubcast yet.

artlu

I think I saw it in the feed, but I haven't tried it myself. So I'll leave it for people who have done more research.

Fractal Visions

Right, right on. And I was trying to dig up a there's like a document or a resource. It's like a GitHub repo with all of the clients that are on Farcaster. I'll see if I can find that.

artlu

Yeah, that would be useful to share. What I found was that those lists have a lot of dinosaur bones. I think I guess there's two, there's two tips for people who are poking around at new things. If the app does not let you do sign in with Farcaster, or sign in with Neynar, or sign in with your Farcaster account through Privy, Or sign in with Farcaster through Dynamic.

So there's four really solid ways that are very, very safe. That's sign in with Farcaster, sign with Neynar, sign in with Farcaster through Privy and sign in with Farcaster through Dynamic. Those ways are very, very safe. There's alternate ways that people have kind of had to hack together. And if you do try those out, be more careful.

But if you see that it's going through Privy, Dynamic, Neynar, or Farcaster itself, those are on the safe, safer side of the spectrum. The second thing is, as you're looking at these these other clients, you can, it's hard to get a feel of who's using it because they're all talking on the Farcaster protocol, right?

So the clues I look for are quote casts, which was a relatively new feature. If those are handled in a proper way, it was tricky to implement it. So if they put the effort to implement it, that's a good sign. Frames, if they have frames, that's a sign that they're, they're live and active. And, and then also people casting about it.

So if, if there are lots of people who love it, for example, FarQuest. FarQuest is a, is a game, which also has a client and a community, those, those places have support. And so, so it's useful because those those GitHub or the repos or the webpages, they'll show you that there are 30 to 50 alt clients.

And yeah, some of them are dinosaur bones.

stellabelle

All right. So any more questions? Cause you have to go in two minutes or something, right?

artlu

Yep.

stellabelle

artlu. And What is your name? Is it Art or what should I call you? Far Chiver.

artlu

Yeah, you, you could call me Bart Head or my, my name is Art. My last name is Lu L-U.

stellabelle

Oh, art, okay. Yes, I can remember this. . Any more questions?

Anyone in the audience have questions for art or anyone on this speaking stage? I think I'm gonna, Geoff?

geoffgolberg

I wanna confirm that he really is six foot three. He's jacked in really good looking.

artlu

Thank you. The tip's in the mail.

stellabelle

And you're taken, right? You're married, so this isn't like the crossover dating app, right?

artlu

I am happily married. Yes.

stellabelle

Yeah.

Angelika Kollin

Which alt of Artlu should we follow?

artlu

All of them.

Angelika Kollin

Just say the top three.

stellabelle

Top three. Give us the top three, Art.

artlu

Artlu and BCBH show. So we have an account as well as a channel under BCBHShow. We, we speak once a week on Unlonely. And we have our episodes mintable on chain on base via Zora, please follow BCBHShow

stellabelle

and you, something about unlonely. I was kind of digging into that a little bit. What, what are you on unlonely or something? You said that

artlu

Yes, yes. Yeah. So, so we stream our podcast on un lonely for about 30 minutes.

stellabelle

What is un lonely, just in a nutshell? What is that?

artlu

Unlonely is twitch for farcaster. If, if a FarHouse is Twitter spaces.

stellabelle

Oh,

artlu

Unlonely is Twitch for forecaster.

stellabelle

Oh, okay. All right,

artlu

And if you love my sense of humor, you'll love the Unlonely founders.

stellabelle

Oh, I kind of was looking at that Brian G or whatever it was like.

artlu

Yes.

stellabelle

He's trying to date people, or, I don't know, like, what?

artlu

Yeah Brian and Grace, they're, they're great. They're brother and sister, and they have a really engaging sense of humor.

stellabelle

Okay, I'm gonna open it up. Anything goes, so someone take over. I was interested in hearing something from Geoff? Is that how you're saying your name?

geoffgolberg

Just Jeff, as though it were spelled J E F F.

stellabelle

How do you pronounce your name?

geoffgolberg

The same way that, you know, if it were spelled J E F F, so just Jeff.

stellabelle

Jeff, okay. So what's your, what's your I think I read something that was, what was it, yesterday? That was funny what was it?

artlu

It couldn't have been this guy.

stellabelle

No, no, it wasn't funny, it's, you did, tell us something, come on.

geoffgolberg

Oh, just, you know, D W R. DWR and I are our best friends.

stellabelle

Wait, what?

artlu

Hey guys. Oh, thank you so much for tuning in and listening to me ramble. I wish I could stay here longer, but thank you very much. And send us messages or comment on the threads. We'll share information where amongst everyone who's interested.

stellabelle

Thank you so much for all this knowledge.

I've paid you a thousand dgen. I probably won't up it.

artlu

Thank you, Stella.

geoffgolberg

Check out their shows. It's a really great show. The one that he was mentioning earlier, the make sure you're following the account and check out their show on unlonely. It's fantastic.

stellabelle

Yeah, this is really good to thank you so much. Art have a great day. I appreciate it. OK. Show those photos of your hot. Self later. Bye.

That's the best part is that we're gonna have a before and after, We'll show like our best photos or some shit. I don't know.

Okay, someone talk. This is awkward There's no more awkward silences

Fractal Visions

Hey stella I, I just want to continue on the conversation with something that was mentioned at the end about logging into different clients. And, and how some of them might be outdated or have like some sort of hacked ways to, to log in.

I think that is like something that I. Was kind of concerned about with different clients, like knowing if there is any sort of audit done to the different clients as they're building. I mean, even on, on Farhouse here I I'm not sure if there is actually been an audit done on the client that we're on here.

So that's something that kind of came to mind if, if you're building one of these clients.

stellabelle

Yeah from my interactions with the, the developers of this FarHouse app they seem very legit. Like I don't, I know what you mean though. I'm very hesitant to log into places. So I think Neynar is really like, if that's, I think art actually went over the, the good ones, like.

We don't have to be afraid of Neynar, for example, when we're logging into different apps and things. But yeah, I know what you mean. Like, I'm also very cautious about, I won't like log into alt, like I need to do my due diligence before I trust an app and I met the developers of this app. And they honestly, like, wow, they seem very good.

I mean, very trustworthy, honest people from what I could gather. Yeah.

Fractal Visions

Yeah. Yeah. No, not saying this app, I'm just saying every app we're even building our own platform and currently like going through the auditing process with a team of auditors and, and yeah, it's, it's a really important step and, and VAR house.

Is app that we've worked with and actually funded through our, our grants as well. So, so we support far house. I'm not saying that it's like sketchy or anything like that. But there's still at some point, like needs to be a proper audit done. And, you know, if. If teams are given big amounts of funding, like the, the other speaker was saying, like the platform Nook was VC funded then these are, these are things that I think are, are kind of important to, I think, focus on if the, if the platforms do want to have any sort of, Like longevity to, to their life form.

Cause, cause from the sounds of it, people are spinning up clients and, and then eating eating the bills and then it's not going so well. And they're having to sunset.

stellabelle

Yeah, it does seem like that because, I mean, the elephant in the room is how can you compete with something that has. I don't know how much funding now it's millions.

Like they got 30 million, like the last one. I mean, how, how does that work in reality? Like, I mean, how can you run something unless you, you've got to have the best of the best

Fractal Visions

to me, it's mind blowing because we're coming from the opposite end of the spectrum as like a traditional business coming into the space, trying to adopt.

Web three and then bootstrap the development of the product for our, our business completely without any VC funding, like turning down VC funding along the way. Because we know the, the, the pitfalls that that can, can have, I mean, we've seen it time after time again

stellabelle

have you experienced it yourself?

Fractal Visions

Yes, absolutely. Well, what do, what do you mean?

stellabelle

Let's about that for a second.

Fractal Visions

What do you mean? Like as far as like the VC funding? Pitfall.

stellabelle

Yeah, like the pressure that you start getting after you accept $30 million. Like what is that?

Fractal Visions

Right. I mean, I've, I've had like offers to come into a different ecosystem for a, a certain amount of funding, like over to the Bitcoin ecosystem instead of developing on optimism and, and base.

And. I mean, there's like certain trade offs, but you got to realize that like there, those investors, those VC funders, they're looking for a return no matter what on optimism when I'm getting like funding through their retroactive funding program, there is, there is no Ifs, ands, and buts, you know, any qualms or quos about how you spend that funding.

You don't actually have to spend retroactive funding on the development of your project. We just continue to do that with the funding that we're getting from Optimism. Even the airdrops that we've gotten, we've put like into development. And, and it's kind of like come back. To, to benefit us in a way where, where they see that we're doing that.

And then we get more rewards from the, the little bit of, of the rewards that we get, we throw back into the pot. And, and these other ecosystems do not have that. Sort of set up like even Arbitrum, for instance, there is no incentive for us to build there because there is no retroactive mentality that us and our developers are working towards.

And, and take for instance, like we just got accepted into this current round of retroactive funding on optimism. There's no VC that's backing us. The retroactive funding is helping bootstrap our development completely. And as we continue to dump more. of this funding that we get back into development. We get more rewards from doing that and attracting people to build on the network.

So the sustainability flywheel for us is not like, it's not there in the beginning of development, but eventually, you know, hopefully it will be there because some of the other. Entities that are in this program. They're like bigger protocols that are on optimism or base or, or the other networks, they're getting a large, very large allocations of this funding, which they could just go spend it on hot dogs if they wanted to.

And some of them, yes, there, there is questioning on. On them returning and getting this funding because they are actually VC funded as well and a lot of conflict and controversy has arisen from that subject about Should VC funded projects get retroactive funding for public goods? because there is A backer that's looking for a return.

So if they're getting retroactive funding is the, is the VC actually getting a cut of that too? I mean, you could also take a look at it from the other end of the spectrum where like. Optimism itself is backed by A16Z same with like, you know, apecoin opensea. Many of these things have been backed by a 16 Z as the main V.

stellabelle

They've got their fingers in all the different pies.

Fractal Visions

Right. So, so I mean, I mean, they're all over the place with, with trying to get incentives. I think the, the best use case that we're seeing though with retroactive funding even like quadratic funding and very small forms of, of grant funding are, are Pretty great to, to receive as a development.

But not as, as much in scale as the, the retroactive funding is. So that's what we've experienced building in the space and then competing with projects that are VC backed and, and, you know, they literally get all the attention and, and have all the power

stellabelle

because they have a lot of the media behind them too, because they have the, their investments all across everywhere. So it becomes like a coordination thing,

right?

Fractal Visions

Yeah, you see that with blast.

stellabelle

Everything is very coordinated behind the scenes. Whereas like an independent project is like, doesn't have all the coordination in all the different fields. I've, I've been like studying this, just how this all works too.

Cause it's just, yeah, that's interesting. So y0b we're going to slightly change the focus a little bit. We have two topics for today. Alt clients, and then y0b was going to talk about frames or something of that nature, but. y0b, what did you what did you decide on? How's it going, by the way?

y0b

Hey, well, actually at the end I didn't prepare anything to talk about frames I I thought that this topic of alt clients is really cool And I even just signed up for a supercast or yesterday just to test it out And one thing I have to say that was really pleasantly surprised with supercast was that it does, Hashes and uploads all the images to IPFS when you post.

stellabelle

Oh, really?

y0b

That's really cool. Because what happened is the text of the cast, of course, you know, be saved and the hubs and stuff and the images will be a link to, you know, whatever service the client is using. So it was like Imgur, I guess, for a while. And then warpcast is using, I don't know, image delivery, whatever that is.

But Supercast sends them to IPFS, so that means that, You know, your images are, have a hash on chain, so to speak. And they won't, they potentially can be retrieved in others, not, not so much. It's not so easy for them to get lost.

stellabelle

Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. That's interesting. Is it slower? Because that's what,

y0b

yeah, it's slightly slower.

It's slightly slower. That's true. So, and also a funny thing is that then if I go and look at my cast on warpcast, they do make a copy on their, you know, fast cache, whatever server. But on the cast itself, like if you look at, you know, the, the text, the link, the original link is the. You know, the IPFS link, but then when you look inside the app of webcast, then you get served, like their kind of, they, they swap whatever for like their fast loading one.

stellabelle

So the IPFS, the image that is stored in IPFS, you're saying a copy is made Of that

to go on image delivery or is that

y0b

they just, I think it's just for their own, like, you know, speed cache purposes, but on the original cast that all the hubs, you know, well, if you look at any client, the original link is the IPFS image.

stellabelle

That's interesting. Yeah. Cause I think there was a question I saw yesterday. Someone said, why are we, why aren't they using IPFS for all the image delivery? And then someone said it's slower.

y0b

It is. Yeah.

stellabelle

But it's more stable. Like, I see what you mean because yeah.

y0b

Anyway, I'm really, I'm, I really love preservation.

So I actually. I'm trying to figure out if there are like historic nodes already going on. Like, you know, nodes there hubs, sorry, hubs there are just kind of like saving everything, even if it's not like immediately available online. But let's say, you know, I want to retrieve a cast that was lost because it was too much, you know, to fit in the storage of someone.

And only later I realized that that was kind of historic and important information, but it's been lost. I would love it to be historic hubs somehow set up that you can say, okay, like we can go and retrieve that.

stellabelle

Yeah. Like we need like a way back machine already.

y0b

Yeah. Something like that.

stellabelle

Is that what you mean? Like maybe that would be another project for someone to do.

y0b

I'm trying to find out if someone is already doing it so it can maybe, you know, help in some way, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet.

stellabelle

Hmm. So I guess we're not allowed to talk about the, yeah. Nevermind. I keep wanting to bring it up and then it's like, Oh crap, I'm not supposed to talk about that, but I don't know, like I, I'm trying to like learning about all the different alt clients and everything, think like longterm, how are they going to be sustained? I'm even looking at supercast. Like I really do think supercast is a good tool. Right. The one thing I need to, we need to have a full FarHouse with Woj of supercast to kind of go over everything. I think what I think the missing component for me is that there's no free trial period.

So I think if, if Woj would study the Runway ML. The, that, that trial format, because like, I, I don't like subscriptions. Like I'm, I'm just sort of. I don't really like them, but with RunwayML, I actually got a subscription to that, but only after I tried a free trial. And so, without having a free trial, I think he's really missing out on a lot of people like myself, because I just don't want to pay $10 off the bat without trying it first.

It's like a natural thing, right? I don't know. So, you could have credits. Your credits when they run out or something, or maybe it's a month after one month, then you have to start paying for it. But at least that would get more people trying it. Do you like it so far? Have you used it much? The supercast?

y0b

Well, I just, I just started yesterday, so, oh well. So for example, just now I was looking at like a mint something frame and, and it has like a forbidden, like I cannot click mint, so I dunno if that's because it's not working, it's not implemented. I'm just starting to try it and, and I just. Okay, I'm going to use it to do like like I didn't want to join the streak thing because I'm kind of have my inner rebel, as someone put it, that I hate being told what to do.

stellabelle

So to do, I know, I know that you're like that too. I'm kind of like that as well. Like,

y0b

but some people, some people is the opposite. They, you know, that's what makes them do stuff, right? Like have some kind of like incentive

stellabelle

Pressure. It's kind of like pressure. Right. So,

y0b

so what I figure is like, I'm just going to schedule all my streak for the whole week, so I don't have to do it actually is all like scheduled on supercast.

stellabelle

Oh, okay. So you're still doing the streak thing? Oh, I just, I find it annoying to get those little, little reminders. You're gonna lose your streak if you don't cast now or cast now to keep your streak, it's like diapers. What, what we really need is like, well, Okay. I'm not going to go there, but I kind of, I kind of sensed that he's, he's kind of losing the plot here with his elitist attitude.

It's, I mean, if you can look at Worpcast, the, the fake, the parody, W O R P C A S T, you can kind of see what's happening by looking at the lens of parody is that this kind of elitist attitude is sort of rubbing people the wrong way. And that's not good for growth.

y0b

Yeah.

stellabelle

Hello? VCs like, you don't understand that, you know, but I'm just, I'm just a nothing burger. Right. I don't matter.

y0b

Yeah.

stellabelle

So none of this really matters. Right?

y0b

Well, I I love, I love the parody account. Like it doesn't have many followers. Yes. Actually it reminds me, you, you are from, you know, the OG crypto art team? Stella. So you remember Whale Shark, right?

stellabelle

Yes. Yes, I remember Whaleshark.

y0b

Someone created this amazing parody account of Whaleshark.

And it was called like Whaleshart or something like that.

stellabelle

Shart, yeah!

y0b

Yeah. It was hilarious, but then I guess somehow, I don't Exactly. Remember how like WhaleShark kind of like pressured that person to, you know, I think that he's steps, he started like blocking people who follow that account.

stellabelle

Yeah. Cause he's, he has that annoying personality where like he's into retribution and he does, he can't laugh about himself.

I have this rule that I don't trust anyone who can't laugh about themselves. You know, like at a certain point, I mean, I laugh about my own flaws all the time. Like it's self deprecating humor is a huge part. So if you get someone who's so ego driven, they can't even laugh. They can't even find humor about how ridiculous they are.

I mean, I don't trust them. I think that they're immature or something.

y0b

So anyway, I know what's gonna start was like that. Yeah. I dunno what's gonna happen with like, you know, the parody account for, for Dan if he has, you know, if that is that kind of person or not. So let's see what happens.

stellabelle

Yeah, I think it's funny. I, I think it's just like a natural. It's a natural thing that always happens when you get this little dictator type of person, like, you know, it's like, it's just, it's naturally going to happen that there's going to be someone making fun of you because, you know, he's an easy target, really. If you think about it, I'm not saying that like everything he does is dumb, but his attitude is really weird to me.

Anyway.

Fractal Visions

Whale shark and Farrokh were the worst combo back in the day.

stellabelle

Wait, what was that?

Fractal Visions

Oh, I said whale shark and Farrokh were the worst.

stellabelle

Oh God. Don't get me started on Farrokh. I'd actually forgotten about that guy, but he really triggers me like. I like more than anyone else. I don't know why, but I did like a deep dive on him because I was wondering like where he came from.

And I find it, I found it very curious that he never mentioned how he made his millions. He was an Instagram influencer and he had this cheesy like website called like millionaire lifestyle or some shit. That's what he, how he made his money. And I just think like. He's like pimping Rolexes and shit showing, Oh, this luxurious lifestyle of all these rich and famous people, or just rich people, actually.

And it's like Oh, and he never mentioned, like, why are you never mentioning, like, how you made your fortune? It's like, are you not proud of that? Like, he'd made a whole new persona that, that was different from his past. But his past was like six months ago or some shit. I don't know, like, I, I just found that so weird and, Bizarre.

Oh, decentralized maxi and then, oh, millionaire lifestyle blog. It's just like an easy target for me, I guess.

Fractal Visions

Yeah, the weirdest plot twist I think was Beanie is now just like an everyday character on the timeline.

stellabelle

What timeline are you talking about?

Fractal Visions

On, on crypto Twitter,

stellabelle

Oh, back in 2021?

Fractal Visions

No, no beanie. Like he's active now and everybody just like, doesn't even care that beanies back. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. He, he's been back for a little while though. It's, it's kind of shocking.

But hey, you know, there's a bunch of celeb meme coins. I can't keep up with those anymore.

stellabelle

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. y0b, what else is new? I don't know what to say.

y0b

Well, I actually have to leave soon But it's always fun to come to your Farhouse spaces.

stellabelle

Because why I think that the way it started out, I think, I think it was good because we're cracking up about we're all rich, all good looking.

We have, you know, it's, it's like, it's like, we're, we're the parody of these, like, The culture, which is, which in my mind now, I understand why normies dislike the crypto world. It's disgusting that the person that gets attracted to this kind of stuff is like, I see, I see why people hate it. It's really easy to, to dislike the, the main culture because it has been like seriously degraded if, if I was to compare right now with like 2017 or something like, I guess the ICOs sort of, that was the first indicator of where things are going.

If anyone lived through the ICO days, oh my God, it was. So similar to, like, everything that's come afterwards. Just the amount of scammers that just got ignited. It was like,

y0b

yeah, I remember

stellabelle

in the ICO days,

y0b

yeah, long old days and actually, so before I leave, can I do like a shameless plug for my conceptual art token?

stellabelle

Of course. Yes. Go for it. Yeah. So I just kind of pput live an airdrop for all my followers. So you can claim my conceptual art token, which is called the relief of being too late, short for $ROBTL. So yeah, it's completely useless. It's just conceptual art. It's not like speculation or anything.

It's just for fun. And 52 percent of the supplies now in this airdrop for my, for my followers. Followers, so if you're my follower you can go and claim that.

stellabelle

Oh, that's awesome. So Can you describe what your conceptual art project is?

y0b

Yeah, mostly like so far is just the title of the token You know embodies this concept that everybody needs to be early and then you're not early early And then it's awful, but then maybe actually you You were too late and that's a relief and, and that's actually a good thing because, you know, you were not dumped on things like that.

So the airdrop, I think this airdrop is called "late is the new early". And I had an experimental airdrop before that was called, The stress of being early. So it's just kind of, it's just like food for thought really. Yeah, that's conceptual art for you.

stellabelle

Wow. That's cool.

y0b

So you can claim, and I made like a special NFT that you can only purchase with $ROBTL.

stellabelle

Oh, okay. So where do we, is that on your feed? Where would we find information?

y0b

Yeah just go to my feed and it should be there.

stellabelle

Okay. We're all going to rush out and one big FOMO to get this.

y0b

And if you don't follow me, just message me and I'll send you some $ROBTL as well.

stellabelle

It's called $ROBTL is the coin name?

y0b

Yeah. Yeah.

stellabelle

Fear of the joy. Oh, Jomo, have you heard about that too? That's the joy

y0b

Joy of missing out.

stellabelle

The joy of missing out. Yeah. That's how I heard about it first was the jomo. Okay. We've got

y0b

Alright, ciao-ciao

stellabelle

are you leaving now, y0b?

y0b

Yeah, I gotta leave. Thanks so much for having me!

Angelika Kollin

y0b, can I quickly tell you, I went to check, I do follow you, but your AirDrop does not work. Okay, because I just want to let you quickly know, even though I follow you.

y0b

So send me a message and I'll check if the wallet I have for you is working.

Angelika Kollin

Okay, yeah, I just wanted to let you know.

y0b

Yeah, sure.

Angelika Kollin

Thank you.

stellabelle

So did you, yo, can I ask you a question, quick question before you go? Yeah. Is how did you do the airdrop? Did you whitelist our ETH addresses or how did you do that?

y0b

Yeah, I just, I just like did like a Dune query for all my followers and their Farcaster connected wallets. And then I, if you have several wallets, I use the first wallet. I don't know if that's the best, but I had to choose one. And then I just put that in the allow list.

stellabelle

Okay. And then. Okay, that's that's good to know. I was just wondering because I'm going to be doing an airdrop too and I'm wondering what the best way to batch. I think i'm going to use manifold. Have you ever used that?

y0b

Oh, well that that will work for like, Nfts, but this mine is just like, you know, erc20 token.

stellabelle

Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

y0b

so

stellabelle

That's right. What tool did you use? Just Dune and then what?

y0b

No, the airdrop I did on mint club.

stellabelle

Mint club. Okay. Mint club. Yeah, I see. So it's about claiming. Is that right? We have to claim it.

y0b

Yeah. You connect your wallet. And then if you're on the list, the wallet is on the list. You'll be able to claim a thousand.

Angelika Kollin

Yeah. I was able to, I was able to claim with my second wallet. Just

y0b

perfect. You had several wallets as what?

Angelika Kollin

Yes. Thank you.

y0b

Cool.

stellabelle

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, we're going to all claim. It's good to hear you tell us to claim because if you're like me, I just assume everything is a scam until I hear otherwise. I mean, it's getting horrible. Like I, and I'm very paranoid if you guys didn't know, I just. I have extreme paranoia.

y0b

No, I think that the Mint Club is pretty legit, I guess, if you're playing through them.

stellabelle

Yeah.

y0b

Haven't heard of scams, anyway.

stellabelle

I just, I miss the days when it was all clean, there was no bots. Remember those days? It was so pristine.

Old days, oh, the good old days. Oh, we're so old. Okay.

y0b

I know. All right, I gotta go.

stellabelle

Okay, bye, have a good day.

y0b

Ciao, ciao.

stellabelle

Thank you.

So, okay. I have to go in about 10 minutes, but if anyone has anything, if they want to share information or Angelika, do you have anything that you want to talk about?

Angelika Kollin

Not really, not really. It was like really great information. I liked that you touched on a topic, how you feel about how things are currently going. Because, you know, I I mean, I come from kind of like diverse background. I come from sort of, yeah, you can safely say poor country, you know, I've seen like different aspects of life.

And I know what is right and what is wrong. And

stellabelle

yeah

Angelika Kollin

I, it's not right. What's happening at the moment. So I just wanted to say that. And for like a future request, if you have any intention to do a space about jam, but you know, like when people can like share their own experience with it, like, you know, like sometimes you find a really interesting, useful information.

That would be amazing. Because I hear so many great things about it and I read a little bit here, a little bit there, but it's always so useful to hear actual experience from people with a similar background. I'm referring to, you know, people who do arts mainly.

stellabelle

Yeah. I don't have any experience with jam. Are you talking about the project? Jam?

Angelika Kollin

Yes. Yes.

stellabelle

You might ask someone else to do that because I don't, I don't have any interest in it at all. The aesthetics bother me. Like, so I stay away from things. Yeah, but I know there's a lot of people that have experienced like Jen's a little loopy. She did a full tutorial on that.

I don't know. So you could, you could have it, you know, find someone that has expertise and then do that

Angelika Kollin

because I hear really good things about it. That's why I'm keen to spend some time and actually look at it because I hear so far you're the first one that say that because

stellabelle

I don't have anything against it. I'm very particular about aesthetics. So when I see something that's not designed well, or that doesn't have an aesthetic that appeals to me, I, I just, I'm not interested in it. I can't help this. This is my over overly detailed detail oriented mind that, you know, gets in the way of, of life, but it also keeps me like focused on things that.

I find like fascinating or, or intellectually stimulating or something like that. So when I find things that don't appeal to me, I just don't even see it. I don't know,

Angelika Kollin

but and really quick question, do you know of any other client besides supercast that has a feature where you can schedule your casts?

stellabelle

No, you'd have to ask someone else. I actually don't. I don't know. I know that. Supercast, but I don't know if any, anyone else,

Fractal Visions

Yup

stellabelle

what's one,

Fractal Visions

The platform. Yup.

Angelika Kollin

Oh, really?

Fractal Visions

You can schedule, you can schedule posts on yup. And you can also log in to different accounts on yup. But I have had some issues with that client.

Angelika Kollin

Oh, then it's already. Yeah. Maybe not.

stellabelle

What about recaster? I don't know. It sounds like that's a clone. of Warpcast, but

Angelika Kollin

No. Well, the reason I'm asking, Supercast does have scheduled costs and they work, but there are like issues with, with them, and we're not really able to get them to address it, and so I'm always thinking, okay, it's fine, but I will be, like, searching if there's something that works better, because we pay money.

Monthly fee. So I think it's a small thing to fix. So that's why I'm kind of like browsing around seeing what else is available.

stellabelle

Yeah. Our, the, the person that has all the, the experience is gone. That was, yeah, I'm not an expert in this. I just, I just know that I wanted to learn and I knew that there was a lot of other people too, that, You know, 90, well, I needed to understand that metric.

98 percent of us are using Warpcast. Like, that's crazy. That's a crazy amount, right?

Angelika Kollin

Yeah,

stellabelle

that's what I was thinking.

Angelika Kollin

Which, by the way, with that new feature that rolled out a week ago, I was so excited, the narrowcasting, and I'm trying desperately to get somebody to help me because it doesn't seem to work for everyone.

So I was so happy about it, and I thought, yeah, now I can cast in some channels that kind of look not really attuned to what To my mainstream, so I went and I casted a picture in Banana Channel and then suddenly people were commenting and I was like, there's no way those people are on that channel.

That is how I found out it doesn't work for me, so I need to Wait,

stellabelle

what feature, what feature are you talking about again?

Angelika Kollin

The narrow casting, so basically it gives you ability to

stellabelle

Narrow, okay, narrow.

Angelika Kollin

Yeah, but for some people it doesn't work. So today I did another test and sure enough, everybody can see it.

It doesn't work for me. So it's a very exciting feature, but it's not working for some people.

stellabelle

Hmm. Yeah, I haven't tried that yet.

Fractal Visions

Maybe they need to change it from narrow to fat casting.

Angelika Kollin

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, I don't, nothing wrong with posting bananas, I just don't need them in my regular feed. It doesn't work.

stellabelle

Yeah. I know what you, yeah, I know what you mean.

Angelika Kollin

So yeah, that's another thing I'm looking you never know, you know, it's worth mentioning it in a, in a, in a space like this because you never know, most people are extremely knowledgeable and somebody always knows who to contact and, you know.

stellabelle

Yeah. All right.

Does anyone have any questions from the audience? I think I'm gonna, I have to leave now. I'm at my, my breaking point of talking. It always happens. So I got to recoup my energy, but we, like I wanted to men, I wanted to wrap things up by explaining sort of what, what I'm doing and what the, I run the cryptoart-school, I mean, run, I don't know if it's running, it's just that's what my interest has been over the last like eight years and just, you know, learning together and providing an environment where people can ask questions.

A lot of like, A lot of the crypto culture I find really disgusting because it's all pump and dump and selling and buying and, and it's like all that culture of selling and buying, I find really sort of, it's, it's like anti intellectualism. It's like the opposite of who I am in a way. I really don't enjoy selling.

I'm more of a a person that likes to learn and share knowledge. Like, that's my core self. I, I mean, I'm, I'm, I am an artist as well, but I just, it's embarrassing to sell. It just, it feels, I never figured out how to overcome the, strange feelings I have when I try to sell a piece of my soul. It just feels weird.

I may just start keeping my art and get a job at McDonald's. Just so I can keep my integrity alive. You know, I don't know if people can tell when I'm joking or not, but anyway Yeah, so crypto art school is really designed for artists, but anyone can come to roll call and things like that. Every week we have a different topic.

I did, I occasionally skip a week cause you know, life happens and stuff. So every week we're trying, we're having a different topic of interest to people and nothing is like, you know, Like, you don't have to worry about saying something in opinion because we all need to express ourselves and rant.

Like I did a rant earlier because I need to get this stuff out. I don't like to hold things. It's like, that was my past life earlier. I, I never liked to say my honest opinion because I was afraid of confrontation. So a life led like that leads to someone like me now where I'm just like, let it all out because it actually is very bad for us to keep our true feelings inside, especially when it comes to things like.

How you treat people. People need to be treated with respect. I don't care who you are. I will just give you how I want to be treated. And it's very simple. I don't know where, where people lost that, but it's just, don't, don't treat people like shit based on something like where they live, what language they speak.

Everyone deserves respect. The to be treated, right. And anything that veers off of that, I'm going to call it out. I don't care if you're the, the top of the, you know, the Pico top of whatever food chain, I'll, I'll still call it out because I know right from wrong that I was raised like that. I can feel it inside.

I feel it. It's very visceral and I'm intolerant of people, mistreatment of human beings. So if I'm around it, I'm going to call it out. It's just as simple as that. So just treat people with respect and, and things are going to improve. We can like have a decent society if it was just based on that. So yeah, I like the focus to be education based instead of money based because money corrupts people.

That's just how it is. 90 per I think it's probably like 95 percent of people can just be bought off. And I've seen it all. I've seen it from my time as a high fashion model in Tokyo. I've seen all this shit before. It's not like, you know, I was never in a corrupted environment. I was, I came from an environment that was full of corruption and money and all this shit.

So. I'm very familiar with it. So and it's, it's gross, you know, it's just, it, it feels gross. So I just never wanted any, like, I just, I don't like that environment. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I like an environment that's based on learning. So anyway, once a week, usually it's on Sundays, but We, we, we made it a different time for Art because he didn't want to do Sundays. Yeah, so I'm not sure when the next one is. Cause I haven't, I haven't organized it and figured out which day. So I'll, when I do that, I'll figure out the topic. And so, thanks to everyone for coming and listening and thanks to all of our speakers and everyone that participated. And I guess, I guess that's how I'm going to close it up.

Anyone have any final thoughts or anything? Let, let me know.

I guess not. Okay. See you guys all on Warpcast or whatever.

Fractal Visions

Cheers, thank you, Stella!

stellabelle

Yeah. I hate to be so serious, but you know, sometimes it's required. I would much rather just laugh about everything, but you know Okay, I can't wait to see everyone's hot photos, because Art said that he's good looking. So I guess that's what we're gonna do next. Maybe we'll do a quote train or some shit like that and, and you know, show our hot photos from the past.

I don't know. All right. See you guys the next time. Bye. Haha. Thank you.

Bye bye. Someone say something, then we can go.

Fractal Visions

Okay, like

Sorry, I need, I need something to drink. I have extremely dry mouth.

stellabelle

Okay. Alright, go drink. Bye bye.

Fractal Visions

Cheers.

stellabelle

Cheers. Bye.

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BeavChris and BArt-Head kick off Season 2 with six dynamic episodes streaming on Unlonely, minting on Base, available via Zora, blogging on Paragraph, and sharing clips on Drakula. Big thanks to our Season 1 sponsors: Farcastea, ProxyStudio, Open Ventures, Borodutch's "We Don’t Live a Thousand Years," and Farchiver.

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BeavChris

Yeah, it's been a while. We're starting the Season Two of The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show. Are we doing six episodes this season? 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Yeah. This is a, it worked well for the first sprint, which turned out to be a sprint.

And I think we could do six episodes of focus and and see how it goes. Welcome everybody. Season Two of The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show. We would not be here without your support and we deeply appreciate it. We also have some permissionless partners. So we stream on Unlonely. We mint on Base, all of our episodes, they're available via Zora. 

We put all of our blogs on Paragraph, and we share our clips on Drakula. Our presence is managed by Seemore.tv. 

Thank you for coming to Season 2. I just want to remind everybody of our Season 1 sponsors. Farcastea, ProxyStudio and Open Ventures. Borodutch with his book, We Don't Live a Thousand Years. And Farchiver, which is the best way to save your cast history on Farcaster. For season two, we have some very exciting sponsorship opportunities and experiments, which we will do at about halfway through this episode, 15 minutes. 

BeavChris

Yes, you get to watch Art suffer for money. 

BArt-Head

Okay! Looking forward to it. 

BeavChris

Yeah, we have a full workload for the intern slash chief of staff, depending on our mood. Zora mints on Base, transcript and Paragraph coming, clips on Drakula, though we've been slacking on that. Our intern, and also the Unlonely stream itself.

BArt-Head, what trouble did have you gotten into that we will discuss? 

BArt-Head

We've been away for a whole month, is it? A lot going on? I want to share that, I've been working on The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show Lite Client [link], one of the best named Farcaster alternative clients in the whole entire ecosystem. To help it roll off the tongue, we've named it the BCBH Show Lite Client. Bing 🌟! 

BeavChris

Yes, and presented with no hubris at all. And yeah, and then I am returning after a um, Exciting uh, streak on the CastOut game that was sadly ended because of some folks in the audience. And so I will share a little bit about that as well. And then I'll be on the CastOut show in the next hour. Let's share a little bit more detail. So for now I'll give you. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, sorry. I forgot to mention right after this show, Christin will be on the CastOut show and tomorrow I will be on a FarHouse audio space hosted by Stellabelle, who is an artist in the Farcaster ecosystem, talking about Farcaster Alt clients.

So thank you very much to Stellabelle for the invitation. And if you want to talk in more detail about the ecosystem, I'll try to save my comments for then. And today we'll talk about just our BCBH Show client. 

BeavChris

Oh, great. Yeah. And I'm noticing that now FarHouse has quite a large audience of people who are interested in power badges, and I think you and I should probably think about reaching folks over there as well. So we can share about our show. My CastOut experience. In short, like you, you know best, right? Because I like when we were signing up, I was telling you, I never aimed to win. I just wanted to be voted out because I'm really threatening. 

BArt-Head

Yes! 

BeavChris

It was a really like, ego feeding thing. But yeah, 

BArt-Head

you wanted to be very scary and Intimidating

BeavChris

exactly. To the other casters.

BArt-Head

And did you do a lot in public or a lot in private or both? 

BeavChris

I feel like I might have done less than other people did in private, and that was my downfall. So I went into the game wanting to play against type, right?

Because Christin's usually so nice, my MO. But then I wanted to be a little bit different. I wanted to be a lot more aggressive in the way I play. And so I kind of demonstrated that, attacked Ted. Um, And did all sorts of crazy things that I normally wouldn't do. For entertainment. 

BArt-Head

Yes, for our audience. 

BeavChris

Exactly. And which was really fun. I have a ulterior motive, which I will share in the CastOut show. But in short, I had a narrative in mind that never played out. It's every time I tried to be like, Oh yeah, this is the arc, the storytelling I'm trying to do, but the, this show like gameplay just never ended up that way.

The challenges didn't work out the way I wanted them to. The voting didn't work out the way I wanted it to. I went from not caring to win to now I gotta try a little because I want to keep up so I can try the narrative again. So that's how I hung on this whole time. And I was telling The Nounish Prof that, oh, gosh, for someone who's trying not to win, I have somehow tumbled along the entire way. But I think where 

BArt-Head

It was very entertaining to watch.

BeavChris

Oh, thank you. Thank you. I think one thing is that there's a lot of GCs and conversations that you know we players have fun and I wish the others can see it, but it's really tricky because that changes the gameplay, right? So I think there's some game design thing that can be worked out there but yeah, like towards the end I like I thought that there was a mole alliance with Toady and Adrienne and Cameron and this was my fatal error.

It was that I thought that Toady and I were tight, but there was no, and I've actually made this mistake in Real life work before situations where I'm cordial with someone like, he and I would chat in our bigger GC and we've chatted a little bit in a one on one. But it just was never really confirmed So I think like he also felt a little bit scared of me, but not in the way I want of like we're you know in it together and that's where I lost the plot. 

So I think like my biggest learning from this show is, and in life, it's don't assume that if you're cordial with someone that there is a tight relationship. And then, and Adrienne's pointing out in the chat that Christin's fatal error is that she trusted people. And yeah, I think that's also true.

I was extremely trusting. To some extent and also I think there, I did take people to their word very literally, and I also never lied throughout the entire show. Which was another principle I didn't want to break. I thought that it would be more interesting if I could somehow, get along, further along in this game without lying a single time. 

So that is my escapade. 

BArt-Head

That sounds to me like it's pretty on brand and authentic, which again is on brand. My experience from the outside watching was a lot of fandom and excitement to see your content and entertainment being recognized, or your gameplay, being recognized by the commentators saying, Oh, don't sleep on Christin. She's doing really well.

The cosplay was really fascinating. At first I thought, Oh, it's just Christin cosplaying again. And then I watched it. I thought, wow there's a lot of layers going on there, which was really fascinating to watch. You gave people a, an easy way to, to simplify your presentation, but then you were able to show layers on top of that, which I thought was a good strategy to take in a popularity contest. 

BeavChris

Oh thank you for saying that. And I want to say that Rileybeans, who unfortunately was voted early, has been instrumental in guiding my process, because she was one of the like, later contestants for Crypto the Game, which is this like, huge version of the real survival reality show with like a many ETH prize. And like she talked about how it's really important to build a story because it's not just about playing the game. It's about how do you get fans to support you with a coherent narrative? That is simple to understand and has some twist to it, has some like relatable elements.

I hope that the game plays out the way I want it to, I definitely still have some stake in the game since I have a jury vote and it's really tricky because I joke about how oh, you need to suck up to me, but to be honest, it's actually super awkward, because now I'm like, oh, I don't I do want to vote like, I'd have someone in mind But I don't want it to be based on you know me receiving $degen tips or nice words. Because that's actually super awkward.

So that's on me. I made up a situation super awkward on myself but hopefully we will see how the rest of the show goes and again, it's the next hour. And tomorrow, oh, sorry on thursday is the finale. So we're close to the end of the show. 

BArt-Head

Wow, only two days left. So It is, I like how they have kept the game moving along very well. It's not, it doesn't, it like, it feels like the timing and the timeframes allowed for the challenges have been really engaging. 

BeavChris

For sure, especially for the contestants who are stuck. staying up the godawful hours trying to throw a basketball into a laggy frame. 

BArt-Head

And so you're one of how many people in the jury? 

BeavChris

This is where I'm not super sure. I think I only know it's like I'm on the jury. Ted is on a jury. And then I think the rest of the contestants also share one vote. Yeah, I think that's what keeps the game on our toes is because actually the rules are not super clear until you're really close to the decision making.So we won't know who's gonna win. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so everything is still up in the air. That's cool. Yeah. 

BeavChris

All right. Do we want to jump to our brief ad read for today? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, we're actually really excited. We've been watching this project for a while, and this user absolutely for a long time. One of our season one sponsors, Borodutch, who is farcasteradmin.eth. And just to clarify for anyone new to the ecosystem, he is not the Farcaster admin, but he owns the ENS name. And he has been working on a project called lunchbreak.com [channel] [intern account]. They plan to launch today, basically right now. And. This is an unsponsored mention, but it's a bit of alpha for people in our live stream that there is a launch of lunchbreak.com. You've probably seen some of the casts in your feed, but the the full reveal will be today. We're really excited about it. We hope to do maybe a deep dive or a little more of a deep dive next week. Since he has been an early supporter of our show, and we have been avid followers of Borodutch and his antics for a while. We're very excited to see this. He's one of the based builders in the space. 

BeavChris

Exactly. I'd say this is one of his more serious projects. He debuted it at FarCon, where he offered everyone to scan his pocket and may have scared some people. Essentially, it was one of those NFC RFID, like one of those things that led you to this website.

And I think the idea is that it's like intro.co where you can charge a rate of your choice for people who want to reach you. And you can see here from the website that it's backed by some of the famous names in the VC world. Do go check it out. I think there's at least an email mailing list so you can keep informed. And hi Toady in the chat. 

BArt-Head

My biggest curiosity about scanning. People were scared that might lead them to a wallet drainer. And to clarify, nobody's wallet got drained. And were you then scared or pleasantly surprised by the contents in his pocket or near his pocket. 

BeavChris

Oh, yes. Yes. But definitely, like Borodutch is the master of stunt marketing. So I think that definitely left an impression, which is what he wants. So yeah. 

BArt-Head

You don't have to say any more. I could fill in the blanks. 

BeavChris

For sure. And then we have our official sponsor for this episode which is the Pics Or It Didn't Happen, Poidh, a community. And this was actually a community bounty, right? Community bounty number 235, where they have

BArt-Head

I'm sorry, I might have typed it wrong. I think it's 325. 

BeavChris

Oh, sorry, 325 where the Pics Or It Didn't Happen community, which is really fun. They have a, thriving discord, have put in money together to make Art talk about the Houston Rockets for three minutes.

So keeping with the CastOut basketball game theme for today. So this is supposed to be like some sort of suffering for you or something. I don't completely get it. Tell us more about why would they even vote like for you to do this? 

BArt-Head

All right, before I do this, a little background. Pics Or It Didn't Happen is fully onchain. It's bounties where you submit proof and the person who put up the bounty gets to decide whether to pay it out via the smart contract. So it's a, it's thought of to be unruggable and it's also linked to various addresses like your wallet addresses as well as interlinked with your Farcaster identity.

So that you can have a range of levels of trust assumptions for interactions with strangers on the internet that are backed by smart contracts. And they provide a nice little reward of an NFT of the proof that was accepted. And I've been following this project for a very long time. It started out on Arbitrum only, but they have expanded to multi chain, including degen L3, and Kenny asked me if he could sponsor the show, and together we agreed that a POIDH bounty would be very nice. And members of the community decided they, they just wanted to participate because this bounty process and the smart contract allows anybody to permissionlessly spin up a bounty as well as contribute to a community bounty.

So if there's something you want to see, you can put your money behind it, your skin in the game and encourage it. And it's fully permissionless, also fully sovereign. So the person taking the bounty can choose whether or not to do it. And so Kenny said, look would you do something for me on air?

I said, sure. And he said, and we thought it would be interesting for me to talk about the Houston Rockets for three minutes. So as people know, I grew up in Houston through the Hakeem Olajuwon era, and he is one of my personal heroes. Hakeem Olajuwon was a young man in Nigeria who never played basketball. He played handball. Until at some point in his high school years, an American scout was traveling through Africa and saw this tall, lanky, athletic guy playing handball and decided it would be great if he could come play basketball because he was like 6'9 6'10 and he could jump like anything. He had crazy stamina and lightning, cat like reflexes.

He came to Houston. He was actually meant to come to New York City. He landed in New York and said, this place is way too cold. He made a phone call to a coach in Houston and said, can I come? I told you I wasn't coming, but I'd like to come to Houston. And the coach in Houston was a legend, Guy Lewis at the University of Houston.

He said, definitely come to Houston. They taught him how to play basketball. He was so raw. He was like, He didn't know what he was doing, but he learned super fast. And by the end of his career, he was a Hall of Famer. Now I do want to talk about his career. He started off as a wild man who would get in fights all the time.

And I admired him for being tough, for not backing down. But as in basketball, if you fight, you hurt your own team and he had to learn to control his temper. He became in his twenties, a devout Muslim, and he was an incredible representative of the Muslim community in America in the 80s and 90s, where there were not very many positive role models.

And he would, he was the second, I believe, NBA player to fast for the entire month of Ramadan. That means no drinking water, From sunup to sundown, no eating food. And he would play full basketball games while fasting, while abstaining from water even. And sometimes he would have to go and get medical treatment, but.

In order to do that, he would, he would have his sacrifices. And it was not just the physical sacrifice, but it was the mental sacrifice, the commitment, the integrity that he showed towards his team. And he became one of the greatest teammates and the greatest performers in Houston Rockets history.

The pain point for me is to give credit to the Seattle Supersonics, who before the Rockets became the champions that they eventually became, could never defeat Gary Payton, Ricky Pierce, a young Shawn Kemp. Every year in the playoffs, we would be either neck and neck or slightly better than the Seattle Supersonics in the standings.

And we'd face them in the playoffs and they would invariably defeat us. To me, the reason they were able to defeat the Rockets over and over was one player named Kenny Smith, who got beat like a drum by Gary Payton, by John Stockton, by all of the great point guards of that time. Kenny Smith, who is currently an NBA commentator on TNT, got beat like a drum season after season by better players than him.

He was a good talker, but he was an awful defender. He had Hakeem Olajuwon behind him, saving him. He claims that Hakeem told him to let the player beat him so that Hakeem could block his shot. But in fact, he could not stay in front of anybody. And the people who he stayed in front of just shot over him. All credit goes to the Seattle Supersonics who, that era, never won a championship. But they were able to defeat the Rockets over and over until finally the Rockets got to avoid them and eventually defeat the New York Knicks in one of the greatest finals ever. And then the young Shaq and the Orlando Magic and Penny Hardaway, who again beat Kenny Smith over and over. 

But Hakeem outplayed Shaq in that series. And that concludes my rant about the Houston Rockets of the 90s. If you want to hear more about the Houston Rockets of the late 90s or early 2000s, We are open for more POIDH sponsorship. 

BeavChris

I was wondering where the pain point was, because I was like, this is such a heartwarming story about a player, but I didn't realize that the Seattle people were involved.

If you would like to sponsor us talking about esoteric topics of your choice, our DCs are open. So 

BArt-Head

And they must be topics that we are passionate about. 

BeavChris

Oh, really? Is that the? Clearly I was not. So I think it will work out. We can self research and educate depending on your needs. So 

BArt-Head

What else would you like to know about the Rockets? 

BeavChris

I think I was like, Oh, I, the Yao Ming played center. I feel like that's what the Chinese people were all about. And then he told us not to eat shark's fin. And then we all listened. Do you remember that? 

BArt-Head

I'll give you two more fun facts.

Yao Ming came to Houston. He was like seven foot six. He's one of, he's a great player in the Hall of Fame and the other players on the Rockets were all like inner city black guys from America and Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley accepted Yao Ming right away. They became best friends.

Steve Francis was so close to him that he's huge in China because of of their friendship. And another fun fact about the Rockets to bring it to Farcaster is the Rockets took Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge contract after Linsanity in New York. And they said, you can have the keys to the franchise. And you're going to be our superstar. 

But then James Harden became available and they gave James Harden an even bigger contract and they said, James, you are going to be the point guard. And of course, Jeremy Lin was a point guard and James Harden is a much better point guard than Jeremy Lin. And so James Harden was the leader of the Houston Rockets.

And there is one user on Farcaster who enjoys taunting me with James Harden videos where he gets bonked in the head and there are many such videos and I enjoy the memory of Peak James Harden as a Rocket. Way more than I like seeing balding James Harden playing for the for the various teams that he has played for since. 

BeavChris

Wow. Basketball facts. There's a whole channel. So moving on to from one esoterica to another one, which is The uh, BCBH Show Lite Client [link]. Okay, here's the thing. I feel like you've been really good about mentioning what you've done this week and it's FOSS, which I had to look up the free open source software thing that you're really proud of.

And you mentioned that you can reach Farcaster Nirvana using your client settings. And then I was like, I've been, being alongside you through this whole client experience, and I'm like, I can't figure out how to get Nirvana from this client setting. So can you tell us more about how the average person can use this client practically to discover interesting topics, to have a whole different experience, etc? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, this probably interplays with a very viral discussion on Farcaster in the last week where Ghostlinkz, Ildi, said, I have a list of 100 spammers. Here is the list, here's a Google Doc, click through, and these people are spammers. 

BeavChris

Oh, I didn't, I felt so bad because like me and Ildi are friends.

And then I was like, Oh, he's using his, he's doing his usual spammer cleanup thing. So I had like, quote casted, they'd be like, Oh, this is a neat data analysis, not realizing that this catches many of our friends. 

BArt-Head

Yes. so Ildi is just, he's a crispy grumpy guy who just wants to see pretty pictures of, not of dancing women or scantily clad women. He wants us to see pretty pictures that are tasteful and well done. He does not want to see tipping, he just wants thoughtful conversations. He represents to me the best of Farcaster, but he is very angry at Merkle and Warpcast for letting Warpcast turn into what it is today. And he says very clearly, Hey, if you are doing this, you are spam to me. 

And I think his main point is that every person's definition of spam is their own definition. And for some reason, Warpcast has decided there is one determinant of who gets a power badge, who will get seen, who is a spammer, who will be tagged. Everything is decided by one team. And there is one determination, which is trying to be all things to everyone.

And Ildi is trying to say, hey, wouldn't it be great if we could have our own lists? If we could have our own mute list. Warpcast has been around for two years and there have been no individual mute word lists until last week. 

The BCBH Show Lite Client [link] is meant to give control back to the individual. Not only to the people who have DWR's ear, not only to the people who have influence over what gets shown on Warpcast or what gets built or what gets highlighted, but to anybody who can afford, let's call it $9 for a Neynar plan per month. 

And if you don't even pay the $9, guess what? The code will work. If you put the public Neynar API key and implement and deploy this code, it will fully work. It will get rate limited because you'll be sharing the key with everyone in the public, but it will work. 

And the client lets you have toggles, which say show me this, show me that, hide this, don't show me this. So you can scroll your feed with no pictures if you don't like pictures. If you're ghost and you like pictures, you can scroll the feed with pictures, but.

If you don't like the certain pictures that people share, but you want pictures that other people share, you can say, show me only the users that I follow. So you don't see anything that you don't expect. And then you can control your own following feed 100 percent by yourself.

This morning before the show, I launched the For You feed, which uses OpenRank, which is exactly the same feed that Supercast is using that's available through Neynar. That Recaster is experimenting with, it's available to anybody. And anybody who wants to see how it's implemented can look at the open GitHub, copy the code, fork it, improve it, take it, steal it. It's MIT licensed, that's what it's there for. My goal is that we get a thousand shots on goal, that I prove to the ecosystem that you don't need to spend $2,000 a month to launch a client. 

BeavChris

Oh, so you're imagining a world where everyone has their own custom client. 

BArt-Head

I think every community can have their client. If you like the way that we are adding features for The BCBH Show community, you can take it. There's one field that says, what is your channel name? The default channel name and it's bcbhshow.

If you change that, guess what? It will work for your channel. Okay. And it will cost you $9 a month if you want your users to be able to like casts and have it work pretty consistently. If you don't want to pay $9, you can have a channel specific client that all your users can use by going to a website that costs basically nothing to run until you get maybe 5,000 active users a day.

Like below that it's not going to cost much. Maybe if it suffers, you pay $10 a month and I'm happy to help people figure that out. But the whole point of this client is to build things in public that other people can use, can follow. We're doing experiments with the feeds to see what works.

I've integrated /bot-or-not so we can all see, are those rankings ones that we want to follow. We have the power badge. So are those, do you want the power badge or not? 

BeavChris

Yeah, and I think for the average user, which includes me, like sometimes I'm, what DWR says is true. All I want to do is refresh the stupid home feed and have my little dopamine hits from casts and people I like.

And sometimes that varies a lot depending on what you've interacted with last, or what's the meta of the time, right? I think we've all had our like scissor experience with regards to toe-spacers, etc. So I think right now, like if folks fiddle around with the lite client, I think you'll be like this gets, this does something close to what I want, but not exactly.

So I think if you try with it and you're like, This doesn't do what I want, please post on our channel about, what your experience is, what your expected behavior is, and then that can get our little intern's heart to maybe update the client so that it does do the thing that you want to do.

And I think like the other thing is that with. Especially with what Ildi slash Ghostlinkz has revealed. There are just so many subcultures in Farcaster and we're all in the same playground. That what one person thinks is spam is another person's treasure. And I think that's where it's really hard for me because I don't want to miss out sometimes on the meta.

Because, if I, let's just say I turn on the power badge, then I will not see a lot of what's happening. But then if I were to do that then I'm isolating myself right from the culture itself. What I want is the melange of everything that's happening without over committing to any one of these subcultures.

So I was wondering, like with the lite client, how would you actually tweak it so that I can make sure that I'm getting a balanced buffet? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, my thinking is that we go through different moods, multiple moods in a day. There are some times when we want to see everything. And there are some times when we only want to, we want to control what we see. 

And the lite client has little toggles and filters that are always one to two clicks away and defaults that are, right now the defaults are set for discovery. So we don't filter by power badge. We don't filter by only showing the people that you follow, but if you want to go into cozy mode, you can tell the feed to only show the people you follow or only show the channels that are cozy, that you have specified to be cozy. 

And right now we specify 57 channels that are cozy channels and you can look at a feed. Oh, 

BeavChris

and then where did this 57 come from? Is it from my Cozycasters list? 

BArt-Head

Yeah I think your Cozycasters list had more. And so I took out some and I put in some that I wanted. So this is our joint sense of what's cozy and any user can have their own, it's nearly trivial to tie a list of 57 identifiers with an FID. If you want only to curate a list, then message me. I'll help it happen. 

BeavChris

Oh, so right now the user can't control on their end what the Cozy Channel list is?

BArt-Head

No, this is The BCBH Show Client. And if you want, I'll make you a special version of the client. All right. Based on your FID that has your list.

And my promise to myself is that's going to be annoying for me. So if 10 people annoy me, then I'll make it automated. 

BeavChris

Okay. Cause I would think that's the feature most people would want, right? Like as much as I would like to impose my culture, cultural tastes onto other people. Like this has been the one feature that I like, even a supercast, does couldn't doesn't provide right like a custom channel list because I remember I was bugging Woj a while about this 

BArt-Head

Supercast has a user list based on accounts. Super. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I want a channel list.

BArt-Head

It was thought of before channels. Yes. 

BeavChris

Yeah, so so this might be useful if you want to like as Riley says like a personalized web experience and to control your interface like this is, I think this client has the most number of knobs, of course like this also means that it's probably one of the most chaotically laid out channels and I've asked art to like maybe pay for a professional designer to think about it just boosting it up but like you know right now because we're in the sandbox phase we've given you all the controls you want to play with.

So let us know which ones that you found amusing. 

BArt-Head

Thank you. Please thank you for listening to us rant for half an hour. We're excited to start season two. We will have more content around technical topics. We will have more content around the society. Christin and I are engaging with different communities as well through CastOut, through the FarHouse space.

And we want The BCBH Show community and podcast and client to be a center space for cozy conversations, making Farcaster a place that's both cozy and welcoming. 

BeavChris

For sure and I feel thank you all so much I feel like this is probably one of our most lively live streams. I hope people are not here just to suck up to me for to get a vote but if you are I appreciate it anyway. And yeah again on the next hour at noon eastern i'll be on the CastOut show so I will see you then and then Art will be on the FarHouse show.

Can you say more about that again? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, tomorrow is Stellabelle's FarHouse show. There's a channel called /cryptoart-school. It's very lively. It's a great community and I'll be talking about Farcaster alternative clients. 

BeavChris

Yeah. So if you need a FarHouse invite, they can reach out to you, right? And I might have invites as well.

BArt-Head

There's an invite in the Stellabelle cast. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. Yep. So check it out. It's really well built. It's like clubhouse. If anyone remembers that. Oh, and then I think that is it. So thank you all for joining us, and we'll be back next Tuesday. 

BArt-Head

Thanks. Bye bye. 

BeavChris

Bye bye. 

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In Episode 2 of the Interregnum, BeavChris and BArt-Head dive into an unfiltered conversation filled with humor and insight. They start by poking fun at the "millennial pause" before diving into the quirks of social media habits and the oddities of sushi etiquette observed during a hilarious dining experience. The duo share their thoughts on the evolution of Farcaster clients, highlighting the golden age of innovation with clients like Supercast, FarQuest Pro, and the exciting new Recaster.

They explore the potential of their lite client, designed to enhance user control and customization, from hiding PFPs to adjusting feed algorithms. The conversation takes a thoughtful turn as they discuss the ethical considerations of advertising in Web3, advocating for ads that respect user choice and deliver genuine value. They also invite the community to participate in their alpha test for micro-ads, emphasizing transparency and user feedback.

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BeavChris

Hello, we are live. I was trying not to do the millennial pause. I don't know whether you noticed that we do that.

BArt-Head

I absolutely do the millennial pause, but I don't notice it at all. Because I am pre millennial.

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. Are you? Wait, are you? No, you are millennial.

BArt-Head

I had a funny thing with BC because I posted a GIF of Freddie Mercury from Queen saying Can't Stop Me Now.

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh,

BArt-Head

it's amazing how you could tell these gifs made in the 70s and I was like, oh, yeah, like I am made in the 70s and have never been called a gif before. 

BeavChris

You're so funny. Alright I'm going to let our GC know, and not the wrong GC that we are on live.

We should begin with our usual spiel. Shoutout to our permissionless partners, Unlonely, Base, Zora, Paragraph, Drakula, Seemore and our season one sponsors Farcastea, Proxy Studio, Borodutch, and Farchiver. It says here that we will release a mint and a transcript. BArt-Head thinks it's too good not to be onchain, but best way to experience the Interregnum is Unlonely chat.

Ah, this is from last week. So I think we've given up on the not releasing episodes, haven't we? 

BArt-Head

Yeah I love listening to myself over and over and having it onchain. I think that's a really delightful thing for my own experience. And yeah, this is episode two. 

BeavChris

Where most people like me, I actually, I hate editing our episodes because I'm like, Oh, I have to listen to myself again. Whereas you're like, ah, yes, I have said such great opinions.

BArt-Head

That is 100 percent sure 

BeavChris

We're just all feeding your narcissism. 

BArt-Head

Yes. Yeah. Why else would someone do a weekly stream except to see themselves? Come on! And hear themselves. 

BeavChris

Yes. Yes. I wonder people like maybe this can be like a self confidence course sort of thing? Although I don't know. I think if you start off and then no one's watching then it's also like maybe not great for self confidence. I've thought this through, maybe this is a bad idea. But yeah, so what trouble have you gotten up to since we missed last week since I was sick and continue to be sick. 

BArt-Head

Right, yeah, so this is Episode Two of the Interregnum. We're just gonna chill until we nail down our plans for Season Two. Right now we're leaning towards a more builder focused Season Two than our Season One, which was, I'd say what, 60 percent social commentary and 40% Farcaster society, right?

BeavChris

Mmhmm. 

BArt-Head

We're, we haven't nailed it down. We are working on different ways as well on the backend to eat our own dog food, et cetera. So for the interregnum, we're just going to chill out. And we're also going on different trips and vacations and scheduling things. And in my notes, what trouble have I gotten into?

There's two things. I've been coding a lot and not casting as much and 

BeavChris

You're not being a dev influencer. You're not fulfilling your influencer duties. 

BArt-Head

That's right. Yeah. Like I'm talking to Chat GPT more about coding problems and not to real humans and bots on Farcaster. And so I feel I've, I pulled my punches a little bit.

I made a comment about seeing someone eat sushi with their hands, but not eating it in a proper respectful way, but in a really 

BeavChris

Oh, with the fish side down? 

BArt-Head

No, they're like, like, waving it around using their left hand, not their dominant hand and just taking little nibbles and talking and chatting as if it was a pencil or a piece of fruit. 

And I thought, no you're supposed to put it in your mouth and eat the whole morsel of sushi at once. And my first thought was, oh, yt people, but then, it's not just yt people. It's general people who don't respect sushi as much.

And the funny thing is in America, in New York City, almost all sushi is made by Chinese people and Hispanic people. It's very rare to find sushi chefs who, like the line sushi makers. 

BeavChris

That's interesting. Yeah. Japanese, I feel like in in LA it was mostly Korean people who were running Japanese sushi places. And over here where I live, it's more, yeah, it's more like Cantonese. People masquerading as Japanese people, 

BArt-Head

You hear them talking to each other in Chinese and you're like, oh. 

BeavChris

And I'm like, "gimme a good deal, please" in Cantonese.

BArt-Head

They figured out  how to increase the price for the same quality produce, call it sushi and... Yeah so American sushi also has gotten much bigger because what Chinese people do is they say, Oh, we can get more volume by making it by making 15 percent larger, or we can make it 30 percent larger and add layers and layers of stuff. We're just not Japanese. We can add like four different layers on top to the point where you can't put it all in your mouth at once. Unless you're already like 

BeavChris

@cryptowenmoon says eating sushi like, if it was pizza, lol. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, man! It was just really cringe. And to make it worse, it was these two middle aged people on a first date. 

And the woman was sitting there with her legs like way open in a really strange way. She was

BeavChris

like in a, like a Sharon Stone kind of way? This is such a dated reference. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Like at the table with her, just her legs were like in a V or a Y shape. Like maybe the table was too small for her or there was like, it was a small New York restaurant.

And it was a first date, because the two did not know each other well. She was super dressed up. She had a necklace, she had a ring, she had a bracelet, she had an arm bracelet. And the man was in shorts, with his very hairy legs coming out, and his sandals with socks. And I thought 

BeavChris

Are you sure this wasn't like a prostitution thing? escorting situation or something? [Ed. note: what kind of places does @christin think @artlu brings his family?]

BArt-Head

Neither of them looked that rich or attractive for it to be a pay for money thing. And like the manners of both of them were atrocious. The woman was eating sushi with her hand, like waving around while she was talking. And then the man, he was using one chopstick in his left hand to dab the wasabi and then to paint it on his sushi before putting the two chopsticks back together to eat it.

In one bite. He did it. He did it in one bite. He used his chopstick as a paintbrush. 

BeavChris

I was imagining you like sitting in the corner. You were like taking notes. One of these people. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going on stream. I'm going to cast about you. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Our chat says, so scandalous. Wait, like her legs were up? Question mark. Or maybe she just had a UTI. LOL. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I bet that was more the situation. 

BeavChris

This is so deviated from our notes though, because we were supposed to talk about signing up for CastOut and not signing up for CastOut, and somehow we're just talking about these two strangers eating sushi. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, so I, I could, I felt I couldn't cast about it, but I could share it with you all on stream, because it's just, I have some problematic feelings about what I just experienced. 

BeavChris

Mm hmm. Well, um, 

BArt-Head

So, if I wasn't building, I would just cast. But since I'm building and I want people to use my products.

BeavChris

This is the gems we're missing because you were busy heads down. 

BArt-Head

Yes my sacrifices for everyone. Not sharing my thoughts with you. 

BeavChris

Yeah. Okay, let's talk about CastOut later, because let's jump right into your builds so we can roast them. I guess I should probably, should I drop the link of the lite client into the chat? 

BArt-Head

Sure. 

BeavChris

So people know what the heck we're talking about. Okay. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, welcome everybody to The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show lite client.  

BeavChris

Yeah theoretically, I can pin it. Oh, I pinned it. Wow. Unlonely. Oops, I unpinned it. Unlonely's new function is a pin chat. 

BArt-Head

Unlonely is shipping. 

BeavChris

Yes. Yeah, tell us more. We're the first onchain show with its own Farcaster client. I'm trying to be very technical here, just in case there's someone else who's already doing this, but I figured I don't see any single other show that's doing that. Yeah. Yeah, tell us more. 

BArt-Head

We are in the golden age of Farcaster clients. 

I thought we had our golden age and it was gone forever, but I think we are, that was the classical era, HeroCast, OpenCast, Flink. 

BeavChris

Oh, yeah! 

BArt-Head

FarQuest Pro, but OpenCast is on the shelf until Stephan relaunches it. And Flink is, has turned into Nook. So I was really disappointed to see Flink go away.

I thought it was incredibly innovative and exciting.  And Opencast to me was like one of the most values aligned builds to come out of the Farcaster ecosystem. And for it to not be able to continue, I thought was a, just a pretty deep blow. And it's not dead. It's going to come back at some point and I know Stephan is working on it. 

We are getting all of these really cool clients that are coming out. FarQuest Pro is evolving into quite an interesting interface. DegenCast from @liang is coming out very soon. Fiids has been in a beta for three months or so, and it's innovating. Of course, nook came out and is really pushing the boundaries of what a client can do, especially the onchain data. 

And Recaster dropped either yesterday or the day before on an actual iOS Apple Store native app download, not test flight, but it is through the review process. You could download it on any non test flight phone. And it's called Recaster from @haole H A O L E. And it's a, it's very smooth. It's very fast.

There was a brief cast in their channel /recaster that they're using 85 percent Neynar, 10 percent AirStack, 5 percent Pinata, something like that. Some breakdown like that. So the backend is really similar to Supercast, but it's a totally different experience. It's a mobile first iOS only for now, but he's transporting to Android fairly soon. And it's 

BeavChris

Oh, with so many great clients, I, so including Supercast as well, why are you making your own? 

BArt-Head

So the nouns project where they're giving out a pretty big amount of money for real clients made me think, ah, like there's going to be lots of experiments and I'm itching to try different experiments, especially as the feeds are changing with the curation, with pins disappearing, with watches turning into bookmarks, power badge becoming such an important aspect, priority mode.

So I wanted to experiment, shine light on things, and cast actions can take you so far, but cast actions are things that you do explicitly to a single cast. 

And I wanted to see the feed. And I also saw SCS, SCV becoming widely available, OpenRank becoming widely available, some of the degen.tips APIs becoming widely available. 

And I thought, wow, it would be just interesting to try things out. So the lite client now has Sign In With Neynar. It started off as just the Pinata lite client where they had done the /diet-coke client and the photocaster client. But now it's a bit different. It's incorporated with Neynar. 

BeavChris

Not to speak too much for both of us. My impression is that the point of this BCBH Show client is to almost put all the things we complain about and point out in the first season into practice by making a client that is a little bit more fair. Is that true? Or at least more flexible? 

BArt-Head

There is a correlation absolutely. It's not causation. I think we did not start with a show and turn into the client. I think we've had these concerns before the show specifically about cool kids club and some unfair centralized decisions impacting the algo or impacting the experience in ways that are hidden. So one of the priorities of things I wanted to build was just a little check box to let you see the casts that are non power badge. And if you want to hide them, you just check the box and immediately poof, they're gone. You can be Dan, if you want, just that 

BeavChris

That should be the tagline on this client. But I think that sells a lot better. 

BArt-Head

See what it feels like to have all the power of a unicorn founder. You can ban all non PowerBadge users from your site. 

So that's one thing, but as all of these different algos come out, one of my strong opinions, weakly held is that none of these algos on their own will solve the problem for everyone.

Another way of saying it, a better tagline is, There is no silver bullet. And so you need to try to combine things in different ways that leads to a lot of complexity, so it's up to people to find good defaults. But if you stick to one default, it gets gamed unless the people making the ungameable algorithms lean on secrecy and opaqueness.

If secrecy and opaqueness is your non gameability, to me that's against the promise of crypto. The promise of crypto is that you can't be evil, not you won't be evil. The second client is, 

BeavChris

I feel like the pedestrian impression of crypto is the opposite. Is where you can be evil. 

BArt-Head

You can be evil and have no consequences.

BeavChris

Yes. So

BArt-Head

Exactly.

That may be true in practice, to some extent and we are so early. Yes. That is a fair point. But to everybody who believes that, just know, BArt-Head believes that we can get to a world where crypto lives up to its promises. Definite optimism.

So the client is designed as a harness for a simple feed to layer many different things. And to play with the layering to find the good defaults and to understand them. It's like a, it's a tool, it's a harness for different social layers. And as I'm building it, I'm finding things like months ago, people had said, Oh, what if you could have a client with no PFPs, and no usernames either.

BeavChris

Oh yeah Manash and Brad, I think? Wild? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, they were talking about it months ago. And somehow, I don't even know how it came across my feed, and I interacted with it, three month old post. And they said, yeah, like Zen, their idea was Zencaster. 

BeavChris

Yes. 

BArt-Head

Which is a really calm feed without moving PFPs.

I'm guilty and I think you're guilty of moving PFPs, but maybe it would be better if you don't know who is saying what. And so, I've always said, I want people to have control. And if that leads to a super crazy Control panel, so be it, you can hide the control panel when you don't want it.

But, I want people to have control. So that was a great idea and easy to implement. There's a little button. So not only you can be Dan, but you can be Zen, you can be Buddha. Just turn off all the distracting things. And one thing that I found was if you hide all the images, that changes your experience. Like you miss out on a lot of jokes because people will put a little joke in the meme. 

BeavChris

Yeah. That would have been useful when I was in Tahoe and I had one bar of 5g, I could have used a text only, like a client for sure. 

BArt-Head

So text only, it's a totally different experience. People have built image only clients as well. So they'll only show image only casts. And, I think eventually it'll. I'll just add that as a simple switch, but there's also a really cool thing is hide the image only casts, which tend to be spam in certain contexts. So in some channels, the meta or the norm is to spam it with image only casts and make the poor moderator ban them. And that's something that you can hide as a user setting. 

And by the way, it's very useful as a user setting. It's not useful as a client level setting because once you make it and the client becomes widely adopted, the spammer who wants to spam will adjust their tactics. They'll add like an empty space or they'll add like a 

BeavChris

I'm starting to suspect that's what they're doing in the /spirituality channel because the filters suddenly stopped working and I'm like 

BArt-Head

Right, there could be, you know, it could be a space next, a little thing, and. Also another thing is, you can be Automod. You can be @jtgi. You can study the rules in a little lite client without relying on a dev, who has a thousand requests coming at them, to understand, will this work well for my channel or not? Can I propose this? And the next thing I want to work on is mute words because it's been a request for a year and a half.

Hey, why can't we have mutes in Warpcast? And, uh, mute words are extremely useful, right? And you get to see how the mute words that you've chosen will work in different contexts. 

So that's the general idea of the lite client. 

BeavChris

The most to me relevant thing to what you're doing, For your day job is the integration of the Farcaster ad network, right?

Cause now I guess this is opposite of Zencaster, but there is the ability to pin an ad sponsored content. 

BeavChris

Yes. So I want to thread the needle between Zen and money. So to me, one of my deep, strong opinions, strongly held, is that things can be free for the end user in a respectful and empowering way where they're not slaves to the advertisers, but they get to trade their attention for value. 

And so the way I built the lite client is, there is a very clear button to hide the ad and you can just banish it at any time and you can pull it back at any time. The ad has to compete for your attention on its own merits based on how quality and how engaging and tailored it is not because of a decision that I've made as a client developer that I need to monetize my space.

I don't need to monetize the lite client and yet I want a proof that an ad that needs to compete will still remain there and be able to provide me some kind of income stream for my work. So there's two layers of competition. One is that my community or my supporters will say, look, I'll give you 30 seconds or I'll give you a click, if that click gives you half a cent, and it means you can continue to do things, like I'll do that for you. 

And part of the community will say, no, I don't like ads. That's not what I'm in web three for, and both of those things I think are totally fine and I want to discover what's that mix and the other thing is the individual ads themselves, they have to compete.

So the thinking behind the ad network is that users and creators have veto power. So if I see an ad that I don't like, I can banish it. If I'm a creator, like if I own the client and I don't want any ads that are against my values, I can say, I'm not going to show these ads to my users, and I'm not going to get any money for those ads, but, I get to choose.

So any ads that you guys see on there, I've implicitly chosen to allow them. It's very different from a web two model where, like you get someone who says, look, I'm not technical. I'm not in advertising. I'm just trying to make content. So if you get hair loss ads or if you get erectile dysfunction ads, sorry, I got to pay the bills. That's an enshittification to be given lots of erectile dysfunction ads because those pay the most.

BeavChris

The alpha drop for those who are in the chat and possibly we'll share on our GC as well. We're inviting you to use the ads. Is that where, I'm reading the notes? 

BArt-Head

Yeah. If you have a project that you want to promote to The BCBH Show community, so ,to each other, please think of: a text blurb that will fit in a frame, but one of three things, and maybe all three.

A text blurb that will fit in a frame. Number two, an image, which can include text in it, but a static image. And three, an animated GIF. You can choose to make it as animated and as distracting as you want, or as subtle as you want. One of those three things, text, static or an animated GIF, and we're going to open up the things that are shown the rotation of ads that are shown to users of the lite client, to our community.

And the deal is for our alpha, you're not going to pay any money. There's not going to be money involved for the first experiment, but you will get exposure. We as the owners of The BCBH Show have veto power. So if it's like a show that we don't like, and you want to advertise on our show, we can veto you, or we can choose to let it go out of confidence or trolling. 

And if the users do not like it, it will get removed from their rotation. And for all participants in this experiment you will see the results of how good your ad has performed relative to the other ads. So your ad will be made very transparent, like every advertiser and probably every user will see all the ads through a dashboard, but then they will be fed the ads through usage of the lite client, and we'll let you know how many people vetoed your ad.

And if you were one of 10 ads that were in the rotation, did you end up being shown 80 percent of the time because the other nine were crappy or did you get shown 5 percent of the time because you misjudged the audience? Like that's useful stuff to learn. 

BeavChris

So in the testing of the ad network, you were trolling me specifically because you could actually set certain images to be shown per FID, right? And you were showing me Soup Nazi. 

BArt-Head

Oh, was I trolling you? 

BeavChris

I don't even know. I don't know. But it was a good demonstration of ad targeting down to a single user level. 

BArt-Head

Tell me what happened. 

BeavChris

So it was a, it was like a frame that was in a normal Warpcast client, and you were like, go click and check it out. So then I did, and then it was something like, yeah, like a Soup Nazi thing or something like that. And I actually, I was not sure, was that shown to everyone or just me? 

BArt-Head

That was just shown to you. 

And actually, I'm sorry, we're almost out of time, but in a frame, you have the ability to pass along your FID. Every time you interact with it and it's signed so nobody can spoof you. It's signed with all the cryptography that protects Warpcast and in fact, protects your Ethereum addresses. So it's highly secure. It secures trillions of dollars of value via Ethereum and millions of dollars via Warpcast.

When I see that Christin's FID is asking for an advertisement, I can send Christin specifically an advertisement or a group of FIDs, like the people who have a minted, for example, or people with wallets greater than X amount of value, et cetera, et cetera. So you can target. And that's part of the promise of Warpcast and frames that you can reveal personal information in a way that you control that adds value. 

So if you don't want to reveal your FID to somebody, do not click on their frame. Every time you click on a frame or an action, you are telling that developer, Hey, my wallet is clicking on this. 

But I hope that was a useful invitation or CTA for our community. If you have a project you want to shill and you're willing to do that in a transparent way, please talk to me in GC and in return, you get some privileged access to our audience, as well as you will get some feedback as part of this experiment of the quality of your ads. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and something I was telling Art about is can we call it something else other than ads? Because people usually have this turn off reaction. They're like, we ran away to Web 3 not to be shown ads again. It's something closer to sponsored content or native targeted content or something like that is what the whole ethos of this is about. And I feel like it's like how, for me Instagram actually is probably the best at guessing what I like in terms of ads.

Because I'm always like shown these products and I'm like, Ooh, I do want to buy this. So I think ads are useful if they are done really well and really annoying if they are like poorly targeted. So it was like finding that sweet spot. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So , I distinguish ads and sponsored content.

I'm tackling ads first, like explicit ads, which people are familiar with, and I definitely want to integrate sponsored content. Which I think of as maybe slightly longer form, with different kinds of disclosures, with different kinds of CTAs, different kinds of things. But yeah, sponsored content is a different thing.

And I want to target, let's call it ad in frame or micro ad delivery via cast action first, which is separate from an influencer network. And those things are big business, like that definitely exists. There are people that will get paid to shill to their KOL groups. And yeah, those are opportunities to do right. 

BeavChris

All right. Okay. So we're on the half hour, we're keeping our show short today. So yes, once again, if you have a micro ad idea, go reach out to Art and we can set you up in the new lite client. Oh, here 87A, sorry, I don't know your Farcaster username. We can't be building Web3 only for certain people. There are innovative ideas to use to make use ads to be more effective. We totally agree. So we're reinventing or inventing a new world of wonderful controlled ads by both the user and the client. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, that's a wonderful sentiment. I agree. We can't be Web 3 only and Web 3 will be the world. 

BeavChris

Yikes. How scary. All right. So thank you all so much for joining us in the chat today. We hope you have a wonderful rest of the week. And Art, are we back on next week? 

BArt-Head

Yes, scheduling note, I'm traveling next week. So we won't be streaming next week. We will be online and I'm not sure your schedule, Christin, but we'll announce things in the channel, in the group chat. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

On the Unlonely channel as well about our next things. There is a luma, which I think eventually we're, are we migrating to @events? 

BeavChris

Yeah, I think that's the hope. So @matthew from events.xyz is in our GC right now. He's trying to understand like, what the heck am I doing to announce the show and to help us with discovery and reminders, etc, in a more native way. That's hopefully more enjoyable for you and enjoyable for us. And yes, if you want to join our group, 

BArt-Head

yeah, keep your eyes out. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right. I gotta go. My voice is going. That's the real reason. So!

BArt-Head

Thank you all for listening. We'll see you onchain. 

BeavChris

Take care. Bye. 

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BeavChris

Alright, we are live, according to StreamYard. You're entering a private conversation zone between me and Art, who has chosen to wear the BArt-Head wig today, whereas I was like, no, I'm gonna be authentic, I'm not gonna wear the wig. So what is up with that?

BArt-Head

I don't know, we joke that it's a wig. Have you ever seen me without the hair?

BeavChris

Actually only after, right after the stream goes offline, usually you immediately take it off and I immediately take off mine because it's so hot.

BArt-Head

I don't think I've ever been on a, online, with my hair.

BeavChris

Oh, yeah true.

BArt-Head

I'm always wearing a hat, and 

BeavChris

Are you one of those like baseball cap dads?

BArt-Head

Sure, yeah. No, I've had surprising hair in the past. And I might again in the future. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right, please grow this out naturally and dye it and we can sell the wig and recoup our cost of production.

BArt-Head

How often do you change your hair?

BeavChris

As an Asian woman with the same uncle hairstylist for the past God knows how many years, not often because it's every time I go there, I'm like, I tell him in Cantonese, can you just da wo yu yen, which means can you just restore it back to its original state? And they're like, because he was like, Oh, so wow, there's not much you can do. It's not if you don't want to be edgy and you don't want your hair to curl up or whatever, that's this thing where they are really obsessed with not having it be a certain length because they think it will curl.

This really is the only hairstyle I can have. It's like, how much bangs do you want? And how many layers do you want? That's it. 

BArt-Head

And is it always a man? 

BeavChris

Oh I feel like I always go to the same person. And yes, like he's a dude who like grew up in like actual like Guangzhou, in China.

And yeah does hair, owns his own hair salon. And, yeah, and actually recently he went back for Continuing Education, which I did not realize was a thing for hairstylists. So he was like, it's all fancy, 

BArt-Head

They have to be licensed in California, right?

BeavChris

But he was like, no, I wanted to learn more like new edge, new techniques that's coming out of China where, you know they cut different hairstyles and they are using these like dyeing techniques that are less damaging to hair.

And he was like, Yeah, I want to improve. So he went there, but he was like, it's not like fancy, like you're imagining because I was imagining, Shanghai and you have, fancy spaceships or whatever. But then he was like, No, like these schools are held in the middle of nowhere, China. So he's I'm stuck a rural bum like this, these like places with no food, no good food, like you asking me what good food I am like nothing because like I'm stuck in the studio all day.

And there's just like lines and lines of people waiting to get free haircuts. It's like dental schools here, where all the villages 

BArt-Head

Oh, it's a free haircut school, okay.

BeavChris

Yeah, it's like they just practice on these villagers who are like, Oh, we're getting such a great deal.

BArt-Head

Yes, absolutely. This guy's from America. Let's get a haircut from 

BeavChris

Exactly. It's a sifu from all the way in where I live in California. And yeah, and then he and I was like, Oh, you must take a lot of time and care for each person to practice, right? Because you don't want to screw it up. And he was like, yeah, for the first person.

Whatever. And I was like, Okay, I'm glad you got your practicing out on these people, and not on me. Oh, man. 

How about you? Do you go to the same barber?

BArt-Head

I have, yeah, it used to be always a woman. And then we found a Japanese guy who used to live in Singapore and he speaks a little tiny bit of Chinese, like just enough to be annoying in the Chinese. And he speaks almost as little English. He's Japanese.

But he's really good. And then last week I went. And he wasn't there. He was another Japanese man. I was like I don't want to come back. That's rude, right? Because the guy was friendly. And I had him cut my hair. I was like, it doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel right. And by the way, next time I go back, this guy, he will immediately notice that it wasn't his cut. 

BeavChris

Oh yeah, yeah. You cheated.

BArt-Head

No, he's a real master. And he's like, when was your last haircut? [Ed. note: problematic accent! ]

BeavChris

Yep. Fascinating. 

BArt-Head

Finding an Asian haircut, someone who can do Asian in America, it's hard. Growing up, we would go to the local barber shops. And I think half of my friends, their moms cut their hair, and the other half had that haircut. And only a few would travel to Chinatown. And or spend more than $5 on a haircut. Everyone else is either their mom or some white person or some black person had cut it.

BeavChris

Yeah. Do you think that really shaped your experience and how you perceive things happening on Farcaster? So the other day cause I'm an Asian who actually grew up in Asia. So I have like variations are different from what, from yours.

And I feel like y'all are the people who get offended by the New York Times article about Chinese chicken salad, and I'm just like, it's a very tasty salad. 

BArt-Head

What is Chinese chicken salad? Come on.

BeavChris

So and then I was also like one day like just looking at all your replies and I felt really sad for you (you don't know about this). Like someone I think someone asked what AAPI was like, oh, what are some like must watch Chinese movies and then you like listed all of them and I was like, there's no Stephen Chow in here this list sucks, but then the person was like I've never seen any of these except for Ip Man, and I was like, oh, you must have been so disappointed! 

BArt-Head

I was on the floor. I felt so, I listed the classic classics of both Hong Kong cinema and Asian American cinema. And like Bruce Lee, Jet Li, all the Lees. It's, she said, I haven't seen any of them. I felt so much like a grandpa. Or what is, what do you call it? The those crazy people at film school in New York, you run into the NYU film school crowd.

BeavChris

Yeah, yeah. The indie film watching types.

BArt-Head

Super obscure. And or go off on Citizen Kane, which was like 1923. And you're like, Whoa. And I was like, talking about Bruce Lee, it was like the seventies. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I was sad on your behalf, but I feel like it really shaped your online experience and how you perceive what is happening and how I perceive what is happening. Yeah, we have some folks joining us in the chat so we can get into that.

BArt-Head

Hello, jump in the chat.

BeavChris

Yeah in trying to be authentic, I'm not wearing the BeavChris wig, and I'm just being myself, and and, Art, actually, Art at first said he wasn't going to wear the wig, and then he rescinded, and, I personally, I think I know why, but I don't want to say it. 

BArt-Head

I'll tell you two reasons, and you can judge if these are right. One is a, offline you said, Oh, I think your personality with the wig is, or online is more you than the one that's not online. And then you were the opposite way around. I don't know if it was specifically about the wig or just being online, like your personality online versus your personality in real life, which one is more authentic and you had made some comments about how we were flipped.

The other one was I think it was from either @grace or someone else, and definitely from Shoni being like, What is going on stream? Like, why are these people like this? And I thought,

BeavChris

Why are they like this?

BArt-Head

I don't know, that's great. When I was a teenager, I had crazy hair. And I liked, sorry, when I, at first I had very bland, anonymous hair. I thought that was the only way to be, was to be anonymous and blend in. And then I went through a while of having crazy hair and I enjoyed that way more. Then I got a job in Trad Fi. Nope.

BeavChris

Oh, those were your other depressing casts. I remember now. So on the same day of you recognizing that people are not watching these classic Chinese movies, you were also explaining your experiences being in Trad-Fi as an Asian man and how, like, all these Asian Americans who are like, Harvard and like top of the class going to TradFi realizing they're second class citizens.

And I was like, Oh, what a depressing day.

BArt-Head

So my point was not even about Asian Americans, but it was about Asians.

BeavChris

Oh yeah.

BArt-Head

They were the future of their nation. Us Asian Americans, we were never the future of our nation. We were like, hey we're going to raise our communities.

But these people are like, they come from India with a billion people to the most selective IITs, IIMs. And they come over here, it's Oh, okay, Apu, can you can you fix my spreadsheet?

BeavChris

Yeah.

BArt-Head

And then there's these Chinese guys who went to Beijing University and Tsinghua University. And again, objectively, they would run circles around anyone from Harvard, MIT, Cambridge, Polytechnique, like objectively, in all of their technical skills.

BeavChris

Yeah.

BArt-Head

And you're like, Hey that regression that you ran, you did it wrong. The line's going, the line's going down and not up. Oh, can you make that P-value better?

BeavChris

Is this a, this is a live reenactment of what you did to these people? Tsk tsk tsk.

BArt-Head

I remember I was really young and like I was coming from America and I was in London and there's this old English trader. And he said, let me just tell you like for your own good. Let me tell you, just make a chart that goes from the bottom left to the top right, and then you can write a bunch of words around it, but show me that chart before you do anything.

Just make a chart that goes bottom left, top right. And this was way before crypto, way before number go up. It's just like, all I need to see is a chart that goes from the bottom left to the bottom to the top. That's your job, dude. And then and then he's ah, actually it'd be okay, if you showed another, like a different chart and it went from the top left to the bottom right that would be good too. Okay. Got it. 

BeavChris

Oh, geez. Speaking of charts, so what trouble have you gotten to this week? Related to number go up and down. Actually, this can just be anything on Farcaster. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, I did want to share one of my appreciations. This is like channel /appreciation.

So I tried really hard to get into a fight. And I don't know if it was this week or it was before. I tried really hard. Like I was like for days I was mustering all my best online arena slams, like training, practicing, testing out in my own mind okay, this is going to be like the biggest and hardest, most viral slam ever.

And I went after @wake, who is a, he's a big leading community member in $DEGEN, and this is about the Koreans that got banned, because I really don't like, I don't like bans. I don't, I understand them, but I think that a small group of people making a ban, and picking winners and losers is really atrocious and it's not what we're here in crypto for.

So I wrote a thing about how I admire General LeMay. He was this famous person in U. S. military history. And he basically won World War II for us, and then he won all the subsequent wars for us. He was like the god of military air power.

BeavChris

Okay.

BArt-Head

And in the 70s, Stanley Kubrick took him and turned him into Dr. Strangelove. In the satirical movie, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, which was an anti war movie. It was satire. One of the greatest pieces of cinema ever made. But he took this, like, really amazing military technician who used power in its absolute pure raw form and produced Pax Americana, like this one man.

He turned him into this joke and caricature of a madman who just wanted to drop bombs on people. And he also, just wanted to drop bombs on people, he said, the bombs work. They save lives in the long term, and they save lives in the short term, especially American lives. They're horrible for the enemy.

BeavChris

So you're making this very disturbing analogy between actual people being bombed to Korean farmers being banned for $degen farming.

BArt-Head

Yes! And I said, Wake, you are, Wake is Dr. Strangelove. And I was like, look, I'm like I'm the same person in history as Muhammad Ali standing up against the war. And, and @wake responded in a very Farcaster way. He complimented me. It was like wow, you are.

BeavChris

You got whammed in the face with the feedback sandwich!

BArt-Head

No, not even a feedback sandwich. It was like he, what's it called when you embrace someone with love like, Oh, you've got a crazy toddler going wild and you just like 

BeavChris

To me I'm imagining more like an MMA fight where you thought it was a boxing match and then you got body slammed instead with a big hug.

BArt-Head

It was the opposite. It was very, a mature kind of reaction to someone throwing shit at you. It was like, wow, you're a great writer. I love reading you, dude. Seriously. I'm not joking.

BeavChris

Okay.

BArt-Head

And then I was like, yeah, that's good. Okay. Wow. That makes me feel great. And then he said, I have nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. But thanks for fanning the flames. And I was like, Oh fuck. I like, I directed all of this energy in, I focused it like a laser on the wrong place. And now I'm spent. I'm totally spent. I realized, he was like not MMA, but boxing Floyd Mayweather Jr., who's the greatest defensive boxer of all time.

No one can ever land a hit on him, even though they're like world class boxers trained in the highest form of science, to throw punches and they can never land it on him. So it's wow, this is such a great Farcaster response, which is opposite from Twitter toxicity, where you throw something, you throw some shit. And they throw some shit back, and then you throw some more, and whoever has the most shit wins. Because on Farcaster, it's

BeavChris

You know what's really interesting? You take it as very positive. Whereas I, as lately, this sort of thing makes me go, because just being at FarCon and all.

BArt-Head

Oh, you're talking about the echo chamber.

BeavChris

No, it's the fact that everyone is really politically savvy. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so that you are in a room full of really high operators.

BeavChris

Exactly. And actually that makes me feel like a little uncomfortable. 

BArt-Head

Okay, so it's like you've been playing poker but not realizing that you're the fish. 

BeavChris

Yes, if that's the analogy for the mark in poker.

BArt-Head

Yeah. I'm not the mark, I'm not the, oh shit, I'm the mark. 

BeavChris

No, but I understand, right? You don't get to be, like, at this level of status without playing the game, right? But I think, like

BArt-Head

It's not just status, it's wealth. Holy crap, it's wealth. It's like super

BeavChris

Whatever it is, it's like the effect, right? Yeah, there's these people who are, like, they are just really good at saying things. But actually they’re playing like, 4d chess level games that I don't understand. And then that makes me as a simple, one generation from farming land kind of person very uncomfortable. 

Whereas I feel like you're basking in it. So it's very funny, this episode was supposed to be the opposite dynamic, but now like, wait a minute.

BArt-Head

Yeah, I am. The part I'm basking in is that I felt very strongly that I needed to be heard and I was heard and I was made to feel valued with this, I don't know whether you call it feedback sandwich or like some way of deflecting.

BeavChris

Yeah, deflecting.

BArt-Head

Yeah and like my fury got spent and I could say, all right, now what? 

So maybe I'm going to go build something. Maybe I'm going to go try to add some value. Maybe I'm going to focus, my rage on making something that's actually useful as opposed to getting cred, getting likes for for having some really obscure but clever comments that I make.

BeavChris

And this is the pressure or the hierarchy of this ecosystem. It's like people who are builders will authentically get the most cred. 

BArt-Head

Hmm, so you're saying, your observation was that on Farcaster the builders are the kings.

BeavChris

Yes, right.

BArt-Head

They get all the attention. The next layer are the artists who are putting out stuff, they are making money, they are supporting each other because an artist sees someone else making art and they say, oh, good job, great job.

And right below, or way below that, are the content creators, the talking heads, the empty vessels who are on people's streams. And nobody, like, there's so few of us, that we may support each other, but there's 10 of us or maybe 50. Yeah. I think there's 50, but out of those 50, the ones who have made it, they're not watching an Unlonely stream with, how many viewers do we have?

We're with five viewers, right? The big, the Bankless guys Ryan Sean Adams and David Hoffman. They're not watching, they're on Farcaster, they're creators. They're not devs, they're not artists, but they're not lifting us up.

BeavChris

And I think there's also the culture of like content creators that are more crypto related.

Again, like this is like no shade, like it's because it's more practical, right? If you want to make money, then you want to know what's up in terms of the culture, so you can do your speculative activities that will make you more money.

BArt-Head

So maybe some people who have AlfaFrens rooms, some people who have Hypersubs that are alpha chats, people who have FriendTech tokens, some Drakula content which is about how to use different memecoin identifiers, how to trade things like that, which is different from us.

We're here talking about our feelings. We're here

BeavChris

Exactly. Feelings, $FEELINGS. Tokens.

BArt-Head

We need a Dollar sign token, $FEELINGS, and it's yeah, and then the solutions that are pitched to us, like from Brian and Grace's, let's do a 30 second token, let's play hot potato.

BeavChris

Exactly. ISpeakNerd said, hey, art, we are qDAU, art creator union wen, and also dollar sign $FEELINGS, minted.

Yeah, this is actually like karma because the number of times I've annoyed him with $TABLETOP wen, it's like way too high. It's just like karma.

BArt-Head

We're right after you dude (laugh). Right after we

BeavChris

You're like the hopeful prodigy child. ISpeakNerd with the /tabletop business. 

BArt-Head

Lead the way to the Promiseland!

This phrase Promiseland has been in my head for a couple of days, @bias came up with it. And I just, I love the idea, which is a little bit like Vitalik's phrase of about realistic optimism. Vitalik was talking about Farcaster being like, if we don't, if we don't grow Farcaster, it becomes just a science experiment.

Which is a kind of a pessimistic thing, and it just, it kind of justifies ends, any kind of means necessary to grow Farcaster. To attract bots, to hype the DAU. And Vitalik responded, you don't need to be a pessimist. You don't need to be an optimist. You could be a realistic optimist, which is that you try, and you try while sticking to your values.

And if you fail, you've learned something in the attempt. You've learned something about your values, and what is right. You've learned something new. You've learned that this is either possible or not possible. But if you compromise your values in the pursuit of a number going higher, then you've learned nothing about your values. You've actually discarded them. And that's not optimism, that's cynical. 

BeavChris

I really, I do admire the guy. I feel like he is living his values and producing a lot of value in the process. And this is not because I also played World of Warcraft. Yes.

BArt-Head

Yeah, he played World of Warcraft and it 

BeavChris

And I'm like, yes, I understand. If you got banned from a WoW server, you would be sad. And it's good you didn't turn into a super villain. 

BeavChris

No, but you and he are exactly the same.

BeavChris

Yes. Me and Vitalik exactly the same. He speaks better Mandarin than me, I feel like.

BeavChris

And by the way, he just put out an EIP. So I don't know, Christin, you haven't put out an EIP in a while.

BeavChris

Yeah, I haven't. I need to first, number one, learn what they are. Actually Carter from Zora showed me he actually has a tattoo of EIP numbers, and I was like, dang, these EIP things seem really important. I should learn what they are.

BArt-Head

There's a graveyard of failed EIPs.

BeavChris

Oh, I did not know that.

BArt-Head

Only some actually actually make it into the protocol. Yeah, to me, that's very risky to get a tattoo.

BeavChris

Ah, so what's the reason why we're doing this pop up stream anyway? We want to dive into our various neuroses. 

BArt-Head

I want to talk to you, but I only want to talk to you for half an hour. [Ed. note: shall we tell him?]

BeavChris

Oh, okay. Okay. 

BArt-Head

Another thing. Yeah, I want to, the real reason, which is in our Google Doc, I put it in there. Why is no one talking about the flippening? So when we started 

BeavChris

No! No, I don't 

BArt-Head

It was to get ourselves more followers and I was way ahead of Christin. I was way ahead. I was like yeah, whatever, whatever, let's get us more followers. And we were, we've been talking this whole time about how the auto-follows algo, It gives people with more, and it gives people with less, more, but less. So you can never catch up because of the way the autofollowers work. And I guess last week you flippened me. You got more f ollowers and and your immediate reaction was, Oh, is it because you're too controversial? Are you being suppressed. And my immediate reaction was some cope yeah, but all of your followers are bots.

BeavChris

Yeah, I know. I was like, there was the instant cope!

BArt-Head

It's totally fine. Everything is fine.

BeavChris

And then like I went into my typical

BArt-Head

My friend Geoff told me we have too many bots. That's totally fine if someone else has more than me. Cause they're not real. So we've, we flipped it. And I think that's a, that's actually quite one takeaway is I speak like 75 percent of the time and you speak 25 percent of the time and getting more followers requires speaking less. It's totally fine.

BeavChris

Okay, so let me interrupt you. I, that almost sent me into my usual creator sad spiral, actually, right?

BArt-Head

Yes and then, success issue.

BeavChris

Yes. First of all again, I want to emphasize that, at least very lucky to be on auto-follow, but the number of people who actually, who I have conversations with has never changed this entire time. So I do believe that the follower metric is not indicative of anything at all in a way, and now we have all these like other just possibly more problematic scoring. But they, they are better. I think OpenRank is a better reflection of what's actually happening of all the ones I've seen.

BArt-Head

I used OpenRank. I think it's awful, at least the version that it's in now. 

BeavChris

Oh. 

BArt-Head

Supercast has incorporated OpenRank into a feed and I looked at, I don't care about any of this shit.

BeavChris

Oh, the For You? The For You.

BArt-Head

Yeah, I realize I, there is no better algo than my own algo. My own algo is better than everybody else's, any algo that anyone else can come up with. I am going to double down on The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show lite client and build out my algorithm.

BeavChris

Oh yeah, we have a client now, people. Which popped up the other day and I was like, what the heck is this? It's like a really I was like, at this current form, I think I wouldn't use my own client. Because literally, it's just like your cast and my cast and a read only thing, right?

BArt-Head

Yeah. So in about 10 minutes

BeavChris

our viewers are complaining that they never received an invite to our very exclusive client. 

BArt-Head

Anybody can have their own client in about 10 minutes. It took me 40 minutes cause I'm a really slow dev.

Like I, I like to read every single thing and know what's happening. But if I was just to follow the instructions, it would take 10 minutes. Anybody can have their own client, permissionlessly. It anchors to a. 

Oh, thanks. Thanks, ISpeakNerd. I feel better.

BArt-Head

Oh you used Airstack or Neynar? You used, 

BArt-Head

Neither. 

BeavChris

Pinata, right?

BArt-Head

Yes, I used Pinata. There's maybe four different data providers for devs that are in, over, definitely overlapping and competing in similar space. So it was like Neynar, Pinata, FarQuest. Nobody's talking about FarQuest. Don't sleep on FarQuest. And Airstack, which is new and rising with a bullet.

Neynar is, to me, Neynar is the gold standard. Pinata is the the one that aligns the most with my decentralized values, way more than Neynar, and Pinata's a bigger company. So it like, I like the little guy. I like Neynar. and I like Rish and Manan. [Ed. note: @pixel - am I a joke to you? ]

BeavChris

I didn't realize that Neynar is a little company. I always thought that Neynar was the big company, huh?

BArt-Head

Yeah. Look, if you do your research, you'll find they just raised a round. It's yeah. It's the size that it is. It's, and it's, their product is amazing. It is really targeted in a very smart way and it's architected in ways that like when everything else was crapping out, they handled the scale without a hitch.

There's lots of really impressive things that they do. FarQuest also is really impressive with their ability to handle large scale. And for this one, I used Pinata. It's, they just released a tutorial and you just basically copy, you clone their GitHub. And you change the code in I think it was eight places. 

And you have your own client. It didn't work for me. And so I asked them and they explained to me exactly what was going on and why it didn't work and how to fix it. And I was like, and so that's a little privileged. The devs at Pinata will respond to my casts immediately.

BeavChris

But how did you earn this privilege?

BArt-Head

I tried before, and I did things that didn't annoy them.

BeavChris

It's a shocker, considering. Sponsor us, Pinata, we you use your tools! 

BArt-Head

We've used the tools and we haven't annoyed you enough. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Okay wait. By going back to my death spiral so here's an example, right? Where I'm like, always feeling like I, I want to be a builder, right? I always admire you every time you make something even though it's really stupid, like the fart thing.

I'm like, aw I, you made something like people can use. And I feel like that is like fundamentally that's what's tricky about being a content type creator is I feel like I really appreciate all of your time spending your time in the chat, But then I feel oh this little moment of like Art talking about how to build things like that's really useful and I feel like that's where i'm starting to be like, oh I need to like orient towards my value of being useful in some way. Okay and what has happened is that in the past, in my Web 2 creator world the Christin that existed before Farcaster, I was one of those huge, not huge as in numbers, but huge as in my mind space, meditation coachy type people, and I

Although I like, I'm hosting /spirituality. I don't push my own stuff on there ever because I want it to be a neutral space where anyone can talk about their own path.

BArt-Head

Yep. Makes sense.

BeavChris

And here I was, so I met up with EulerLagrange like the other day and I noticed myself, like, he actually, he kept trying to bring the topic back to meditation and I kept trying to push it back away, and I told him it's because in the dynamic of like sharing, spiritual teachings, etc. what happens is that I, there is a hierarchy, right? It's, I know some things, and I want to sincerely share these teachings. But then, if I were to reveal my own crazy life or whatever, then that's what makes that web2 model of systems of sharing fall apart and you can, you notice that like the creators who are all like Virtual whatever, they never like, they're very careful.

They imply that their lives are pretty in order, because that's what you're selling. The idea that your life is in perfect order and you just need to like notice one thing, and that's the paywall of the content. And I felt myself going like that's not who that I number one, doesn't really work here on Farcaster.

I think and number two, I want to be friends with everyone. I don't want to like be that person. So I feel like that's where I'm like, so here I've had a lot of fun with you doing our shows and like making more like peer to peer content and all of that. But I'm also thinking about how like builders are still, most valued here because they're building something practical. And the people I admire the most, even from the web2 world are the indie hacker types who make useful tools, like SAASes and all of that.

BArt-Head

I feel you're over indexing on the FarCon crowd and I think you said to me, Hey, why aren't you going? And it was like 90-10 that I wouldn't go to FarCon because I have a life outside of Farcaster.

BeavChris

Just insulting everybody. 

BArt-Head

Yes, yes. That's the way. That's the way to get more followers.

BeavChris

Yes.

BArt-Head

I have family loves me and needs me and values my time with them way more than some strangers on the internet. And, and also I felt if I was in that crowd, maybe I would get the wrong signals because like you said, people go there to make connections. People go there to get something out of having invested that pretty, pretty significant amount of time, money, resources, effort, preparation.

Like all the builder teams, the big ones that had a huge presence there. They have this FarCon on their calendar for months. To make sure thei products were ready, right? Cause here's a chance to get attention.

Yeah, I think you're over indexing on the values that were expressed at Farcon. The self selected population that was there, because we do have almost 100 followers on our brand account, we have, almost, like that's bigger than my family.

More like, nearly 100 people and all of them are real. They're not bots, very quiet people, but we have, yeah, we have like at least an, almost a hundred people that were not at FarCon, I think. Out of our followers, what, 10 were at?

BeavChris

We're well, did some of you go to the Far(Away)Con.

BArt-Head

I'm yeah, maybe 15.

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I thought there's way more to Farcaster than the OG community. 

And whenever I see the OG community like closing up, I get really uncomfortable and anxious, and I think it's problematic, although it might be a choice for the builders to be kings right now. The builder community on Farcaster is the competitive advantage, if you compare Farcaster to Lens.

I think the Lens devrels are way better because there are no devrels in Farcaster, for Farcaster. But the devs are not better in Lens, in my opinion, like they're they're a different quality. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I feel like I wasn't so at the Farhack side of things, but I feel like if I was a dev, I would feel really happy with the conference. 

BArt-Head

Yup, and it makes sense. And I think that the team has tried, they noticed that this was a unique strength of the ecosystem and they've tried to make the most out of it. By the way, they didn't, I don't think they started this way. I think Dan and Varun started thinking that it would be a social network of Silicon Valley big shots.

Like Balaji, like Chris Dixon, all their friends. Their personal friends and their close, their circle and they invited them all to Farcaster and some of them say, like VGR, I think he's pretty early and he's really big and connected and they, some stayed, but most of them didn't and he was like, Oh who do I have, some devs, right?

BeavChris

Yeah. Though yes, VGR is still my, one of my favorites.

BArt-Head

Yes, right? I came here, I was like, oh, VGR's here, holy crap.

BeavChris

Yeah, exactly. Actually, one of the anchor content oriented people.

BArt-Head

But, he's so big compared to me writing my little Paragraph.

BeavChris

He also was really early. I feel and he stuck to it really early. Yes. And I think that's it, right? That's the other thing I'm thinking about is in my feed, I'm starting to see other talking heads have emerged and they're talking about being really early.

BArt-Head

You wanna name names?

BeavChris

I don't, I feel bad. I don't remember their names. Do you? They're so big.

BArt-Head

You don't remember. So yes, of course people talk about being early.

BeavChris

Yes, of course.

Now there's some stuff in the chat about DevRel, and What is DevRel? Is it developer relationship? What is it? 

BArt-Head

Developer relations. And for some reason the emoji is an avocado [Ed. note: advocate = 🥑]

BeavChris

Oh.

BArt-Head

Yeah so DevRels are, like, they're programmers who are very good communicators and very friendly and accessible with extreme patience and empathy so that a community such as a blockchain that needs developers to come and build on it has a touch point who is helpful and adding value.

One thing I love about using the pinata universe of code is that they write tutorials that allow you to just like copy, paste and get at least 50 percent of the way there, if not 90 percent of where you want to go.

BeavChris

Oh, okay.

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I joke about babydevs and I joke about 

BeavChris

I have imprinted onto you like a little duckling already, by the way.

BArt-Head

Yes.

BeavChris

That's a baby duck.

BArt-Head

About script kiddies who, who just copy paste and they'll say, type this thing into your command line and you copy paste it and you go, okay, now what's next? And you have no idea what it's doing, but that's helpful because for a modern developer, you don't have to know what's going on. You just have to put the pieces together, and if the pieces are built intelligently, then

BeavChris

I feel like I admire people who can, JRF and ISpeakNerd who are, like, around and a little bit beyond this level. I feel like I admire people like that more because you made something out of nothing. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, we should study JRF and ISpeakNerd, especially when JRF live casts his learning. It's really funny. I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, we know.

BeavChris

Yeah, but it works.

BArt-Head

Yeah, and then something amazing comes out and I was like, I couldn't do that. Wow. I wouldn't be able to do what you want. So yeah, it is.

BeavChris

This is what I've been trying to edge like Art to us, right? Can The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show have more of an interactive or like a building component to it? Like for selfish reasons of me wanting to learn, but also that's practically helpful for a lot of people. 

BArt-Head

You do remember I said DevRels have a lot of patience and empathy and they're welcoming characters.

BeavChris

Yeah. Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. Talk, talk to the guys at Pinata. They're great. Talk to the, Varun is a really great communicator, so I don't like, personally, I don't find that Warpcast has needed dev rels. Even though, and I think they probably feel they don't need it either because they've got 2000 devs building stuff, even not participating in the feed, not shitposting, but actually building stuff to have people that are doing kind of this along the same lines, that big argument they had with Ben Roy about not needing a CMO. Oh, I think on the tech side, they would say we don't need a dev rel yet.

BeavChris

Sohey, saying that we're building here too, we're learning so much about the ecosystem. And I feel like it's like that can we do it in a way that integrates our observations of middle class culture? You know what I mean?

And build something that like, for example, the Powerlift folks, right? Like they, they managed to make something useful to help. People who are like, having trouble with power badges, etc. And then there's like these like ecosystems around building that I think are really useful to solve middle class problems.

So for example, one thing that I think needs to exist, it's like a dynamic PFP, like little indicator to indicate when someone's live on Unlonely. Cause if you're a new creator, no one knows that you're live and I could, I thought about manually doing it, right? You just need to switch your PFP right when you go on live.

But if this can be like automated or made easier then that so that we can not only raise an issue, but also provide a solution, then I would feel that it's like time really well spent. And of course, this can be like, yeah, done with the community of folks who are in the chat.

You all are really good builders. So if we put our heads together, then that can solve a lot of problems.

BArt-Head

/someone-build an auto PFP rotator that you can schedule. 

BeavChris

what? Okay.

BArt-Head

Yeah. I'm going to stream. So we'll use this one. I've for the longest time, I've wanted a status indicator, just like an AIM,

BeavChris

Yeah, or you don't even have to go that far back. There's something called Black Magic for Twitter, built by Tony Dinh, who essentially made like a live PFP thing.

BArt-Head

And if it's like at the extreme, you can have your webcam trained on you and update every five minutes. And just rotate your PFP. It's like a

BeavChris

So then when I'm grumpy, you can see live. It's bleh. Like this face. I think we should have that. 

BArt-Head

Five minutes ago, with the network lag. It is a, it's stochastic. It's quantum. It's like Schrodinger's cat, is Christin grumpy. 

BeavChris

Exactly. It's also really stupid, which I really love. 

BArt-Head

When you go to observe, if you interact with her, you will find out whether she is actually grumpy or not. And the very act of interacting with her might even change that measurement.

But yes, I've wanted a status indicator, but along those lines, whether you are streaming or not, is a subset of that. Where Twitter with Spaces were able to make a feature, right?

And it was neat and for us, it's all decentralized and permissionless. If the Unlonely devs built us a little simple UI that, we use your site, they take our signer. And manage some timing to, to automatically put a little dot or Brian's face over, if you have my PFP turn into Brian, going TUNE IN, and then it comes back to me, going What has happened? That would be, I think that would be hilarious. It'd be even funny if we did it and not him.

BeavChris

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I know we love the Unlonely team. I feel like they're trying so hard to find PMF with tokenization that, these silly little ideas, I feel like it's this feeling of we're gonna take matters into our own hands and just make it work

BArt-Head

Why did I want to stream but not record the podcast? One is I, our exercise last episode made me value the Unlonely team so much more, like without Unlonely there's this huge hurdle to start. With Unlonely, we were just like, Hey, We're going to get three people to watch us. That's amazing.

BeavChris

I don't say for sure. We've had definitely had streams where there's almost nobody.

BArt-Head

And we're also going to get. Do you remember we, we scheduled our stream at the exact same time as was it one of the EIP reveals?

BeavChris

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, who is this other person taking up screen space?

BArt-Head

I thought that was amazing. Okay. You were worried that we had messed up with our scheduling. I thought it was perfect. Why shouldn't they see two Asian faces wearing strange wigs. 

BeavChris

Yeah, even as they were trying to click to the right stream, they're like, what the heck is that?

BArt-Head

Yeah, what's wrong with this UI? There are BArt-Head and BeavChris [Ed note: I see what you did there] on here, I just want to learn about EIP 4844. 

BeavChris

Which is cool, I think the fact that Unlonely gets these like really big streams to be on here. 

BArt-Head

And I'm sure it doesn't come easily, but we, cuz oh yeah, that's cool. That's awesome. So I wanted to stay on Unlonely, I wanted to have our fans, like the chat to me is more valuable than me putting out the transcripts or the mints.

BeavChris

Yeah, because I feel like the ideation and all of that can only happen in a live format like right now.

BArt-Head

Yep.

BeavChris

Oh, frens not fans. Exactly yeah. So i'm again i'm trying to like move away from the whole like audience and creator that whole dynamic is super weird to me.

BArt-Head

You think so?

So web3 enables, I do think it enables more authenticity. Like you said, in web2, you have to be very careful about what you reveal partly because of the toxicity as soon as someone gets drunk somewhere and slips up, everyone's going to pile on, whereas so far we don't have the big pileon, that's one piece of it but also like we have we have this portability across platforms, which is pretty natural and built in. So we took our social graph from Farcaster and we're able to continue it on Unlonely and enhance it and integrate it with our group chat, different things.

We asked Grace and Brian to help us with our, with Unlonely chat so we could copy it more easily and they did.

BeavChris

Oh, they did? 

BArt-Head

Yeah.

BeavChris

I'm glad they fixed that. There was an issue where we couldn't copy and paste the chat to for our at everybody later. We had to do it page by page. It was really time consuming. Yeah and I feel like there's this opportunity here for this show to have more builder integration too. Again, I feel if we want to reach more people and everyone is really busy building it would be great if we can share what we share in a way that's more integrated into what you are all spending your time doing, which, you all need to do. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, so far we have tried to share our journey. I think in season one, we're very focused on our creator journey.

BeavChris

Yes.

BArt-Head

How to set up a brand account. How to get our videos onto Drakula. How to do and observing as we went. Maybe season two should be building Christin.town and The BCBH Show client. Like we can do very focused content on. Yeah. If you want to watch live coding with me and. Comment on it, make Mystery Science Theater comments on it. 

BeavChris

And we also like, I'm thinking about featuring what you are all building. Cause you all, many of you in the chat have your own various projects. So that's another thing that we can think about. 

BArt-Head

One thing that I thought about is if someone goes and builds something really cool and then we go and we do a video saying, Hey, here's how everyone, anyone can do it. That's icky, right? I think it works for me because I'm really happy to share how I built the farts cast action, and the thinking that went behind. I think most builders are happy to share the thinking. 

BeavChris

Yeah. Not the secret sauce. We don't want to give that away.

BArt-Head

And then there is secret sauce. For me, my secret sauce is I use other people's code. 

BeavChris

Yeah, you make it sound so easy, but I was talking to, I remember talking to Jacob a while back, and it's you can show me the boiler, the template, whatever. My problem is I'm like, how do I set server? It's like all these back end things. I don't understand it. It's not the code itself. It's how to make the pieces work together.

BArt-Head

And then frog gives you a framework. We talked about batteries included frameworks. So like you just copy the frog framework, you get going and then you add the pieces.

BeavChris

Okay. Yeah, I see even folks in the chat mentioned frog very often. So sometimes I'll be like, yeah, frog, but I still have no idea what it actually is. 

But yeah, I think ultimately, though, it's every week so however, okay, the original reason why we wanted to stream is that you were also a little bummed out, right? In your Preparing for your boxing fights and getting weaved and dodged by Mayweather type people.

BArt-Head

Yeah, let me mention this because we're about one hour in. Yeah. Yeah, so privately, I had messaged Geoff Golberg saying, Hey you think your reach is being limited unfairly by someone in the Warpcast team who has taken away your ability to DC people who don't follow you, even if they've set it to allow everyone to follow you.

You think someone has come in and put a special personal limitation on your account's reach. And I DC'd him privately and I said, I have never seen the Warpcast team do that. If this turns out to be the case, this will be the first. The first time that they have gone in and tried to shut down criticism.

And I am 99.9 percent convinced now that is exactly what happened. That his account was singled out because we have done, we don't get to see what's inside, but we have done, exhaustive A/B tests that other, other people ask did you even consider this? And the answer is yes we have.

BeavChris

Are you sure? My hypothesis which I also have shared with Geoff is that because, you have taken a more antagonistic stance and like at mentioned people, et cetera, that caused your account to be reported as, reported or abusive or inappropriate or something. And there is a special layer of privilege removal.

Because you would want that, right? If someone is like spamming, CP or something. Like not saying that you're spamming CP, but just an extreme example. Then you would want to be able to take away that person's DC privilege. And it's there is some trigger for that. I don't know.

BArt-Head

Hell no.

BeavChris

Why?

BArt-Head

If someone is abusing the rules of the platform, you take them off the platform.

If someone is sharing CP, you nerf the account. You don't leave the account, make them think that the rules apply to them, but then add a special layer of secret rule that you never admit or reveal because you're so thin-skinned that you can't take this kind of criticism. No one is abusing. You take, you follow the rules that you wrote down and say this is what we do for abusers. You don't say, actually we're not going to tell him. We're just gonna

BeavChris

Not to Geoff's up branding right now, but isn't this exactly what shadow banning is about?

You obfuscate the banning mechanism because you don't want that person to be able to react to it to game it. So you just. 

BArt-Head

So there's no such thing as a shadow ban. There's, according to DWR, there's never been a shadow ban. Shadow ban was just a meme that people made up according to DWR.

BeavChris

But I feel like that's six and a half dozen. This is the political thing that I was talking about. 

BArt-Head

This is a shadow ban. And I'm 99.9 percent sure, because I have done my own research, somebody, at the Warpcast level, chose to apply an undisclosed set of restrictions to Geoff's account, and there's nothing that I can think of to justify it, because I have read the terms and conditions really carefully.

I have read about what it takes to get to the state of abusive messages, and we've had examples of abusive messages.

BeavChris

Absolutely. Okay. 

BArt-Head

And you and I, we see the one woman running around with huge followers and huge tips who was abusive and maybe punished or put in a sin bin for a while. She's back. So this is ridiculous.

This is a ridiculous thing to be building in crypto. And I'm 99.9 percent sure. So there's one piece of me because I watched the Farcon panel very carefully with DWR and V, with our friends, the GM Farcaster ladies. And there's something in the back of my mind that says, wow, they're not just politicians.

They're either total psychopaths or completely innocent. It could be. It could be someone, on the team, someone else, not Dan and Varun, who went in and said, ah, this guy's annoying. I don't believe he should be here and I'm going to go and shut him down for the good of the network without checking with Dan and V. 

And so Dan and V can sit up there in the panel and say hey, like we, we have these crypto values. You guys have to trust us. We've been doing this. And it's possible that someone in the team has special privileges. This is like how at Uber, they had God mode and the God mode was abused by human beings. 

Now, the Warpcast team is tiny. It's not Uber. It's like tiny. And so it's insane that at this level, it's even possible to do this, but we have pretty damning evidence. I won't say proof because proof is a legal term, but we have damning evidence that his account is being treated differently than the BCBH Show account, which also does not have a power badge.

BeavChris

Sure. But again, I feel like because we don't know how currently, actually abusive people are treated. That's never really, we do know, do they get a warning of you have been banned or something? 

Because we don't know any of it, I'm like, we have no evidence.

BArt-Head

Their accounts get nerfed, there is a concept of a nerf, so their accounts get nerfed. Basically completely turned off. There's no middle ground. 

BeavChris

And they're notified. 

BArt-Head

No, not necessarily. I don't think they are.

BeavChris

Yeah so isn't Geoff's account in this nerf land? 

BArt-Head

No so we're saying he's in another undisclosed shadow land. Think Bias called it the Shadow Dan. 

BeavChris

Yes, which you can see that Geoff has adopted. That's a very clever branding.

BArt-Head 

No Bias called it. I don't know how to invent that term. It's a great term. Yeah, this is, this is completely 180 degrees opposite of what an open, permissionless, transparent crypto social network should have the values to express.

I believe 15 percent of our network shares this view. I think the vast majority don't care. They would, they actually probably would prefer a cozy space with some, some authority on it. Some people, I've said this before. Some people like living in Singapore. Some people like living in Germany where people tend to follow rules. 

And then in Japan, where most people follow rules, the artists have a really hard time because everybody around them is following rules. And Japanese artists go to New York City and they're like, Oh, this is a different way of living. Some people like having a a predictable environment.

BeavChris

And so the thing that the true reveal of the show, is that you are very idealistic to crypto. Values and principles, whereas I'm the really pragmatic one going this is someone else's show and game it's never, you're participating in someone else's. And it's always like that

BArt-Head

Like those, the astronauts, like this belongs to someone else. This belongs to someone else.

BeavChris

Exactly. It's always has been.

BArt-Head

I'm just like Vitalik, when I came to Farcaster, it was because Vitalik was here. And 

BeavChris

Right. 

BArt-Head

There have been many times when I've thought, if Vitalik knows this is happening, how could he continue to boost and support Warpcast at all?

Like it seems so counter to his values. And I've thought really hard about him. He's living rent free in my head. Yeah. And he's, he's pragmatic. He's, he wants to improve the world.

BeavChris

Absolutely.

BArt-Head

And sometimes the way to improve the world is not by bringing things down, but to pick the best horse and try to steer it. 

BeavChris

That's one thing there's 

BArt-Head

I think it's totally valid to burn it down in history. A lot of times you make progress by bringing things down, especially when the people who are in charge don't want it to change, right? They chopped off heads in the Reign of Terror.

BeavChris

Yeah I get all horrified when people say, Wait, no, we don't want that. Anyway, that's

BArt-Head

I'm deeply concerned.

BeavChris

But yeah, you're still gonna build here, right? Natalie Portman meme.

BArt-Head

Doubling down on things that enhance decentralization, that enhance, that reduce the Gini coefficient. Like I, I built the Aircast action. To shine light not, 

BeavChris

Yeah. And then now say 

BArt-Head

Not say to everyone, this is great.

BeavChris

Okay. That is very unclear when you post that, but Yeah, sure. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. It's so early. Like the social capital score is really early. Now people get to see what's going on. So I had a question, like a leading question in the Airstack channel, Hey do the people in the Spanish channel or the Japanese channel have SCSs as high as people in other channels? 

Because what I suspect is the social capital score looks very much like the power badge. I

BeavChris

And then like 

BArt-Head

there's no other way to judge quality.

BeavChris

Sure. And then you were hypothesizing that number has a bias to it.

BArt-Head

And once we shine light on it, we get to choose. Do we want to, do we want to counteract the bias? Or not. Some people will say, look Japanese content has nothing to do with me. 

One of the people I admire the most on Farcaster, he's in Asia and he says, look, this content in non English, I don't care about. So why should I care about it? He said, why should I care about it? I go back to him and say I care about it. Because it is not English. And, he doesn't have to agree with me.

BeavChris

So do you think each language should have its own nodes of you know what I mean? I normalize it to be like, Okay, these are the most popular casts in Japanese. So that's more fair.

BArt-Head

So it absolutely is a relative metric. It's already, you. Because it's a number, you can rank subsets. That's totally fair. So already you could say, what are the most, which casts in Japanese have the most social capital? You can say that, but if that Social Capital Score metric is based on a flawed underpinning of which accounts interacting with it have value, then it's going to, it's not going to work as well in non English terms.

You hear this with every AI based thing. Oh, it's been trained on English. It doesn't work as well for English, for non English. It's been, the image recognition has been trained on white people. It doesn't work as well for Brown people. Like it happens. It's a bias. People, we know this.

And if the people building choose to deprioritize it, that's their choice. And people who are Brown have choices. They can build their own, they can go and build their own client. They can build their own community. They can do whatever. And the people who are in between or straddling multiple environments, they can do their best.

Like you said, if the power badge holders don't want to be a cool kids club, they can do their best to make it not a cool kids club. But at some point that there are. Incentives to make it work really well for the influential or the, the non-, or for the elite, right? Airstack is VC funded.

If they get a lot of adoption in the US from rich Americans, and a lot of complaints from India, they're probably going to, okay, that's probably better for their survival than trying to make sure they can handle all the Indian languages.

BeavChris

So I think we should wrap this stream up because it's been a while, but what are you going to build next that will solve all social problems in Farcaster and make sure that we live in a benevolent utopian society? 

BArt-Head

I have an idea. It's 20 hours of dev work. I'm looking for, I'm looking for someone who can do some technical lift with me. Cause all in, it's about 20 hours. I want someone, I'm looking for someone who can do some smart contract work, has maybe built a frame once. That's about all that I need. I reached out to some friends and most of the people who can do this are busy. 

BeavChris

Oh, that's a slight problem.

BArt-Head

And this would work for the whole ecosystem of non-Warpcast clients. And it even can fit in with Warpcast because it's a, it's a feature that is not integral to Warpcast at all.

BeavChris

Okay. That, that sounds great. No idea what this is. 

BArt-Head

If anyone can has deployed more than five smart contracts and can make a frame, I could use some, another set of eyeballs. 

And, by the way, it would be totally free, open source, the idea's for the community, so there's no money.

BeavChris

You're not gonna put out a bountycaster, at least?

BArt-Head

Not for this, no.

BeavChris

Oh, gee. So out of the goodness of your heart, there are people interested in said project.

BArt-Head

Okay, that sounds good. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and then I think for me, I am working on this project with Cameron that may have some mints coming up as a preview. So I'm trying to like, also take my work into more of a builder artist direction. I'm learning from the artists. So I'm gonna, I'm in collaboration, potential collaboration with an artist without some work related to this show.

And also related to a different project. So again, I feel like my own personal neuroses and awkwardness is like figuring out how to like, make this a financially viable enterprise. And I feel like charging for our like, I always pay for art, right? So I'm thinking, okay, that's more comfortable for me.

Whereas charging to see, spend exclusive time with me is something I'm very uncomfortable with and probably my biggest downfall in crypto because this whole alpha friend type stuff.

BArt-Head

Yeah.

BeavChris

And I just don't, I don't feel comfortable with that approach. And there's someone who's ran like a paid community before, so before I had made sure if you can't afford it, you can always get in for free. But then that became a burden for me in the opposite direction. So I'm trying to find this like sweet spot of what I feel comfortable like charging for other people to be able to enjoy. So season two is still on. 

BArt-Head

We have narrowed it down a bit and we'll stay in this interregnum for. At least one more week.

BeavChris

Really? As usual, I don't know.

BArt-Head

Until we agree to change our minds. 

BeavChris

Yeah. But yeah, I feel like, especially the chat today has been really helpful in shaping what this next phase of BCBH Show is going to be.

BArt-Head

Yeah, everyone has been extremely helpful except Fufu. Popped in last minute.

BeavChris

No, of course.

BArt-Head

That's what, is that called? The people who show up really late to the party? 

BeavChris

The cool people.

BArt-Head

Yeah, it's totally a cool move.

BeavChris

Yeah. But also, because I was actually doing the math. Okay, so FuFu, specifically for you, I actually looked at the time zone difference the other day, and just to see what time it is when when we are on for the show for you, and I was like, Oh my gosh, I feel so happy, and I'm also so bad, because it's so late where you are. 

BArt-Head

So thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate all of our, we appreciate all of our chatters and especially FuFu.

BeavChris

Yes, exactly.

BArt-Head

Oh, by the way, he has a higher social capital score than me.

BeavChris

Oh, really? Oh, I like how you checked. I like how he's gone from 0.78 percent on fun’s, like very short lived calculations.

BArt-Head

Oh yeah, 0.78%, that was amazing. Here's another thing, study fun, whatever fun does. Comes back, I guess as a thing.

BeavChris

I feel like yes, he's

BArt-Head

in slightly different form.

BeavChris

Yes. He is very fast 

BArt-Head

added paywall to, he added the paywall to farcasteruserstats.

BeavChris

Yeah, that's early.

BArt-Head

I know. Early thing. 'Cause bot-or-not added it. And then @sayangel gave free memberships for everyone who minted his NFT, like a retroactive thing, which everybody applauded as class. Did you see this?

BeavChris

I did not know that. And, oh, is that why I have access? I didn't realize this.

BArt-Head

You can, absolutely, you can pay. But back in the day, he had minted when he dropped his free mint. He gave out some, like a limited free access to the action. There's lots of really interesting monetization streams coming up.

BeavChris

Yeah.And yeah I think fun is, he added like a live follow counter it's almost like an exaggeration of all the vices, Farcaster, immediately available.

BArt-Head

Accelerates everything.

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. 

BArt-Head

Did you see Woj's new thing? He's accelerating. 

BeavChris

Oh, yeah. So Woj launched the 

BeavChris

you can maybe pay someone with influence to boost your cast, which I actually, my gut reaction was like, that does not seem good. But on the other hand, it's just revealing the issues, right?

BArt-Head

People do it already. We just don't know. And he's democratizing opportunities.

BeavChris

Exactly. That's great. Respond however they want. If you are a supercast subscriber, you may be able to get access to his boost. 

BArt-Head

So not to , 

BeavChris

I don't think people will like it.

BArt-Head

Yeah. And he, he did something I really dislike.

BeavChris

Oh, 

BArt-Head

he limited it to only the OGs. So all of his subscribers who came after.

BeavChris

Oh, you're not gonna get anymore.

BArt-Head

They won’t get it at the first pass. So first 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. 

BArt-Head

Is rolling it out to the OGs.

BeavChris

Oh that makes sense.

BArt-Head

So I think it gives you the wrong learning.

BeavChris

Oh, 

BArt-Head

you optimize for the behavior of the OGs. Then you're like, okay, now we're ready. And then it's going to be like, Wild West. You don't learn, you build your muscles very slowly. 

BeavChris

Oh he is, 

BArt-Head

he's already accelerating. So yes

BeavChris

He's very nice in person.

BArt-Head

Oh right. 

BeavChris

We met in person.

BArt-Head

Yes. 

BeavChris

Briefly. 

BArt-Head

Okay. Yeah. 

BeavChris

So Fufu, to recap, we talked about our areas, and encountering and like all the usual creator problems we're thinking about integrating more builder approaches and actually try to solve these problems that we've raised aka me just pushing Art to build things for me.

BArt-Head

Yeah, thank you everyone for joining. Let's let's wrap up and we'll 

BeavChris

oh, yeah, will the video be mintable later? Fufu asks

BArt-Head

so there was no because I wanted not to work. I thought that was important for our break. Why don't we drop him a one of one?

BeavChris

 You mean just directly give Fufu the video?

BeavChris

No, give him an NFT.

BeavChris

Yeah, of this video, right? Oh, a one of one. 

BArt-Head

Don't send him the video, but yeah, make a one of one instead of a mint. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. I would need to talk to you about how to actually technically do that, but yes, you will get a special.

BArt-Head

Here, let me ask the chat. Do you prefer a video or a transcript or both or? Yeah, nice tip this. 

BeavChris

Oh, whatever is easiest. Yeah.

BArt-Head

So let's figure that out.

BeavChris

Okay.

BArt-Head

Yeah, we'll figure it out. All right.

BeavChris

Okay.

BArt-Head

Thank you all so much for joining the stream. Thanks everybody. Bye.

BeavChris

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BeavChris

 Clearly I am back from FarCon and decked out. 

BArt-Head

Hello, BeavChris! You look different. 

BeavChris

Yes, I'm finally one of the cool kids. Imagine me as Steve Buscemi, me with a skateboard. How do you do, fellow kids? 

BArt-Head

Hello, fellow Farcastooors. 

BeavChris

Let's start our show. So we're streaming on Unlonely, minting on Zora on Base, blogging on Paragraph, which has now merged with Mirror, with the help from Descript and ChatGPT, we're sharing clips on Drakula, and our presence is managed by @cameron at Seemore.tv. 

BArt-Head

Welcome, everybody, to The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show. 

BeavChris

Welcome. Art, you did not go to FarCon, so I want to know, what trouble did you get into while we were all busy frolicking? 

BArt-Head

Yeah, thank you so much for bringing me to FarCon in spirit, in paper, on a stick. I am jealous that you got to meet so many people in person, IRL, including people who traveled so far from South America, from Spain, from Japan. What was the farthest that someone had traveled? 

BeavChris

Oh, I don't know. There were quite a few people from Poland, Singapore. I would say Chile is pretty dang far to me as well. All over the place. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. And thank you to our Canadian friends for braving that border transfer. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I was at home. I streamed some of the FarCon events. Like the live events that was really cool to see Unlonely on a phone streaming live to the entire internet. I watched the feed, which definitely felt different. I was very excited to see some of the Farhack results and things that people had created and on a meta level, it's also interesting to observe what builders choose to work on within some constraints of a short period of time, but also with an opportunity to carve out some time from their day jobs to add to the Farcaster ecosystem. 

It's quite exciting to see this dev community, this builder community, this creator community come together and identify in a decentralized way what is needed. 

BeavChris

So you were participating in Farhack remotely essentially? 

BArt-Head

No! I was just watching. 

BeavChris

Oh, but you also built something this week though. Coincidentally? 

BArt-Head

Yes, I got a little FOMO. I built a small cast action. I'll mention it, it's the Airstack Social Capital Value Metric.

BeavChris

Yet another way to judge ourselves. Great. 

BArt-Head

Yes. It's an un gamable metric, so that's really fascinating. The higher the score, the better you are as a human being. The more worth you have for your individual cast. And as well, they are paying, I believe, one to one, their Airstack Not A Token. 

BeavChris

So yeah, tell me more about your building process, like why did you decide to build this particular action frame? Okay, so I like, made fun of you by deleting your fart action and replacing it with this new social whatever token thing.

BArt-Head

It's called SCV, Social Capital Value.

BeavChris

And immediately used it on your cast where you announced this new frame and it gave me like 0.5 or something , and I was like, aha, your cast is shitty. But then later I came back and it went up to 56 or something like that. I think the question I have is to me a number with no range and no metric is really confusing. So if you can tell us a bit more about how to even use this action and how to judge ourselves in this new way. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So this comes from the AirStack team. They've been thinking about feed discoverability for a very long time. And one way is to say for each cast that goes out, for there to be a score on it, which is generated by community engagement. So if you have more likes, more recasts, more replies, those are good things for your social capital. And if you have positive interactions with other people in the community, who generally have pro social positive contributions, your cast has added to the community's social capital.

So this score should move over time. Ideally, it goes up. If it turns out that the cast has really negative content that destroys social capital, that should somehow be reflected in the metric as well. So there's no cap in 

BeavChris

It already has comments in the chat. And as usual, very much like Art, I'm like, I can't tell whether these are sincere or sarcastic.

So let me read them out to you. Geoff says they are 1000 percent ungameable, LOL and positive contributions sure sounds like a science to me lmeow. So wait, I can't tell just is this trolling comments or is it like sincere comments? 

BArt-Head

I think it's both and we can get into 

BeavChris

but he also says artlu gets me so you are correct 

BArt-Head

The meta challenge for decentralized social is how do you differentiate between good content and bad content.

If you are in communist China, it's pretty easy. It's the Chinese Communist Party that determines. If you are in a free society it's really hard. One attempt is the power badge concept, which is a way to leverage relationships and say that a person who has established a reputation for being someone that other people want to engage with, things that they happen to put out should be elevated. 

The SCV tries to make it more granular based on the content of the cast itself, not just the personality that said it, and it depends on the community's reactions.

BeavChris

Yeah, the thing is right now, if someone already has a lot of followers and all that, says something, and then if another person who is newbie says the same exact same thing, they would not receive the same score. 

BArt-Head

That's correct. And the reason I built the cast action is so that it becomes very easy to see the individual level scores, and to follow and observe them over time, so that people can have it at their fingertips and propose improvements or observe ways that it's going. So that there's a positive feedback loop on the design of the metric.

One UX element that I tried to include is there's a frame that goes with the cast action. So the frame has links to the description of the algorithm as well as links to different things. And the action just gives you a very targeted view of the calculation. And there's actually a whole ecosystem built around this concept of Not A Token, which helps ideally with discovery. 

You can imagine, and there exists, a leaderboard of SCV receiving casts. So then the whole community can see that if you had a feed that was ordered by high SCV, how does that look compared with a trending feed based on likes, recasts, engagement in other ways? 

Right around the same time that AirGraph [Ed. Note: Airstack!] released SCV, Nook introduced their own attempt at a trending feed, where they use metrics generated by OpenRank.

OpenRank is another different attempt, which, as I understand it, It's based on Google PageRank.

BeavChris

Okay. And what I know about it so far is that Cameron is 8 or something ridiculously high on OpenRank. So I'm like, okay I like Cameron and his number is high, is like low, which is high. So therefore it is not a bad metric, but I have not checked myself yet. So I have, I'm not, I have not been mad yet. 

BArt-Head

So I have checked mine. I believe my number is in the 150s. 

BeavChris

Oh, that's really good! Right? 

BArt-Head

Thank you...I don't know if this is a troll or not. 

BeavChris

Yeah. The audience, Geoff, you did the top 60 for FarCon, and yes, I was sad. I was like, oh, I didn't even make it on the list. So I think that's how these metrics go. I only like it if I'm somehow on it and really high. And I'm like, meh, it sucks if I'm like really low. But like the idea of using this to have a better trending feed is interesting to me because right now it's Trending just I'm just like, this just sucks. This is all gamed. Oh, Geoff wants to clarify that I don't want to be on that list. It's a negative signal. Oh thank you. I think.

BArt-Head

There are things that are signals and there are things that are anti signals. But one of the meta things is that I think cast actions allow for virtuous feedback cycles as well as transparency which we will not get in other centralized social networks. 

And in other decentralized social networks, we may or may not get as much permissionless, decentralized innovation. And the acceptance of these innovations will depend on the community. But the permission for coming up with it is absolutely free and open.

BeavChris

And the more metrics we have, In a way, it makes them more nuanced. And you don't feel as shitty if you're low in one of them. 

BArt-Head

Because we all contain multitudes. Our value is not one number. 

BeavChris

Who knew? 

BArt-Head

So if decentralized social teaches us this, That's great.

Also think if we end up in a world where there are a hundred competing metrics, that tells me there is no metric. There should be a handful of winning metrics at the end of the day, not hundreds of them. 

BeavChris

And I feel like the true metric, which of course it depends on what you're going for, but the one that appeals to me the most that I've seen happen to friends is like new business opportunities.

And it's not related to follower numbers or even likes and those kinds of things. It has to do with whether you're making a visible impact on the community. And I think like that to me is a much truer metric than any of the numbers that we can come up with. 

BArt-Head

Yes. So maybe there's another different metric, which is connections made at FarCon that lead to valuable contributions to the ecosystem. That's something interesting. 

Now, the last thing I'll say about the SCV cast action is that I could do it permissionlessly. Ignas from Airstack said publicly, I couldn't figure out how you did it because the APIs are not released yet. 

BeavChris

What? How did you do it? 

BArt-Head

So I said, I looked into your GraphQL schema and found it and was able to extract it with a lower level API, which they have made public. And to me, that is an absolutely great use of public, transparent, permissionless data.

BeavChris

So did you like use a browser and right click and inspect and then follow the URLs? Is that how it worked?

BArt-Head

Unsolicited advertisement, but the Airstack Data Explorer is quite well thought out. You don't need a browser, but you use their Explorer. It even includes an AI assistant. Raising my hand to confess I cheated and asked the AI how to do it.

BeavChris

No way! 

BArt-Head

It gave me a good clue, and then I was able to put it into the cast action. 

BeavChris

Wow! This is like freaking amazing. You are like the power user of AirStack. Oh, man. 

BArt-Head

They did not even know this. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I did not even know this. This is my first time playing with the AirStack APIs. And I found it great. Now we have two cast actions. There's the official one from the team that shows you how much Not a Token each cast has earned.

And then my cast action shows what is the raw SCV metric? And right now the payout ratio is one for one. So the numbers should be exactly the same. So we have an independent verification, that what they show in their APIs is consistent with their accounting elsewhere.

BeavChris

So why do they call the token, Not A Token. 

BArt-Head

That's a different question. Maybe we need to get the AirStack team on here to describe it. All I know is it's called Not A Token. 

BeavChris

Okay yeah, so everyone, now you can earn, Not A Token, maybe it's just to troll everyone by having us say it that way, by having good Social Capital Value casts. Yet another way you can be judged. 

BArt-Head

And the pitch is, it's not gameable. For the people in the chat,

BeavChris

Yes, it's not gameable. 

BArt-Head

Let's go game it. The transparency lets us improve it, figure it out, make it really useful. 

BeavChris

Okay. There was another 

BArt-Head

BeavChris, what did you get up to? 

BeavChris

I think I was up to meeting all sorts of people at FarCon. And in fact, one of my lovely memories is meeting Gudmund and Kyle, who's @banta at FarCon separately, and then they were both mentioning that. Oh, we want to build something at Farhack, but I don't know what. 

And by the time I saw them again, they built Powerlift, which is a way for folks to discover those, or for people who are on the edge of getting a power badge, figure out how to do so in a way that contributes to the ecosystem. I haven't had time to play around with it yet, but I thought that branding would look really good. So it was really nice to see. Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Powerlift! 

BeavChris

Which as an ex powerlifter, I was like, Oh, I like the name. 

So it was really nice to see how fast people made friendships and then are able to build together. And actually over here in the notes. You mentioned there's an artistic tension between content to help newbies and content to make a change. When building, it's way easier to merge the two. And I was wondering what you meant by that. It sounds really deep. 

BArt-Head

Okay. So I wrote this down. I'm very good at writing blurbs that sound deep. 

BeavChris

Are they deep? 

BArt-Head

Maybe they're not as deep. So this is not trouble. It's not even interesting, but as everybody should know by now, this is Episode Six of Season One of The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show. We planned for six episodes in season one, and we are actively planning for season two. One of the things we have to answer is a tension of what kind of content do we have to put out there?

And one thing that is clearly needed is content to help newbies, people who are new to Farcaster. Because we see a lot of value in the Farcaster ecosystem. It is designed to pull out that value and it is more layered and textured than other social networks that we are used to. And we continually run into those challenges. 

For example, you have a signer and when you delete your signer, everything that you have signed with it in the past becomes invalidated. That's different from many other things. And there are technical reasons as well as design reasons for why that happens. 

And so that's a little tricky thing, which we have learned in layers over time. And they just make sense to us, but for people who are newer or maybe have a different background, where these technical things don't nerd snipe them, they're still important and relevant to their Farcaster experience at some level. So one thing that's very useful is to go deeper into content to help newbies.

Another thing that we've done in season one is content to make a change. Where it's some kind of social commentary. And as a recap, we've spent a significant portion of our time talking about shadow bans. I feel we were not the only ones, but we emphasized talking about it. And just now we talked about the power badge and lifting up people with power, using power to expand the cool kids club and to help people navigate the rules that are there in a way that's organic, natural, and expresses the community's values. 

And that fits in the lines of content to make a change. Neither you nor I want Farcaster to be a cool kids club. But if nobody acts to make it not a cool kids club, it may trend towards that because of decisions that are made to counteract worse outcomes, like being overrun with spam and noise and bad actors, scammy actors.

So we have to decide. Whether we lean in to the left, to the right, both, or try to thread the needle somehow. 

BeavChris

This is why we need to have different seasons because we need a bit of time to noodle. 

BArt-Head

Yes! And we will decide a theme for season two, or an approach for Season 2. 

BeavChris

Right, right. And then Fufu asked, What factors made the decision to arrive at 6 episodes?

Actually at FarCon, I got to chat with Humpty who's like a pretty famous onchain artist creator person. And he was like, Yeah, I always work in 6 week sprints for all my projects. And then I said, Yeah, I think we've accidentally also arrived at a six week sprint. So it's more like we should call it like sprint one instead of season one. And then we'll do sprint two because we're accidentally so agile in our approach.

So so yeah and I see that 0xwizard.eth who's @know also said like some structure going to season two sounds cool. Yeah, I think that's exactly what we're trying to aim for. It's like we, With every season we're trying to iterate. 

BArt-Head

We do want to take this episode to share some interesting information. And I was trying to think, what do people care the most about? And the answer, of course, is How much do other people make?

BeavChris

Oh yeah! We're getting into the meat of the episode half an hour in.

Oh man, so when Art proposed this, the joke slash serious part is always that I am actually the bad at math Asian. So the moment Art proposed this as an episode, I was like, you do all the numbers, I don't want to do any math. So a lot of this work landed on Art. And oh man, like seriously, I think someone needs to make a tool for tracking tips because we're so grateful for all of your tips and that is the hardest number to chase down.

However, we have solved this and Art will now tell you our costs and breakdown. Are you going to share your screen? 

BArt-Head

So I am extremely good at spreadsheets. If there was a contest for who on Farcaster is best at spreadsheets, I would like to be at the top of that leaderboard. 

I am awful at screen sharing. So I need to ask you to share the screen. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. Do I have it? Oh, I see. It's in the is it the one linked in our Google doc? 

BArt-Head

Yep. There's a link to a Google sheet and let me say for the stream, an overview. We set up this as a brand account so that we could help with our accounting and make it very clear. 

That may or may not have been the best idea. And we can go into that, what we've learned in the last six episodes, but it does help for accounting for sure. And so one of our costs was setting up @bcbhshow. One of our learnings was that we started off calling it BC underscore and underscore BH underscore show.

Or did we actually call it BeavChris and BArt-Head show? There was a really long name. 

BeavChris

Yes our name continues to be judged. 

BArt-Head

So we spent 500 warps to buy an account. We spent 2,500 warps to buy a channel.

BeavChris

Oh do you want me to, I can share the screen now if that helps.

BArt-Head

Yep, that's fine. We spent some ETH, about $40 worth, to buy the ENS.

The largest expense was the ENS. The second largest expense was the channel. The cheapest was the show. We decided to make a webpage, bcbhshow.com. And that was quite cheap. And we decided to pay Seemore.tv to aggregate our content across all the Farcaster adjacent platforms. And Seemore.tv would have worked for us very well with YouTube, Spotify, many different creator platforms. But these costs, I think, looking at them now, line up pretty well. The most valuable thing to us was the channel. The least valuable was the account. The ENS 

BeavChris

By valuable, you mean the fact that our account doesn't have a power badge and we're just like struggle bus with the account all the time. 

BArt-Head

Yes. 

BeavChris

Yeah.

BArt-Head

That got us no distribution.

BeavChris

Yes. 

BArt-Head

No, nothing useful. 

BeavChris

I need to

BArt-Head

really except for 

BeavChris

I'm judging this by adding a little sad face. 

BArt-Head

Yeah 

BeavChris

And oh, but the other thing is like I didn't point this out and I didn't add it. Remember we made an arthur channel because someone Didn't want to pay warps for a channel on principle. But then we were trying to decide what to do and at the time we didn't think to make a brand channel. So then we made an arthur channel but I think we didn't do very much with that. So we just like x that out of this especially all together 

BArt-Head

Oh, my idea is I paid for the arthur channel. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. 

BArt-Head

And BeavChris, you don't know this, but yesterday @dwr took some shots across the bow to say there's no name squatting in channels, and they're going to clean them up soon.

BeavChris

Yeah, but even /arthur? 

BArt-Head

So I removed you as a co host, and I changed the channel. It is now a channel for The Arthur Show on PBS. 

BeavChris

What? 

BArt-Head

Copyright, Public Broadcasting System, and WBGH in Boston. 

BeavChris

I didn't even know this. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, so you have nothing to do with this. This has nothing to do with the BCBH show. 

BeavChris

Okay, fine whatever, okay, go on.

BArt-Head

Yeah, the account hasn't done much for us, but we didn't pay much for it. 

BeavChris

Okay. I feel like this is unintentional comedy. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So I think, I think these lined up pretty well. We have spent for infrastructure, basically zero by using our permissionless partners Unlonely, Paragraph, Drakula, we've gotten so much distribution, service, platforms for free. We haven't really paid for it by watching ads. We haven't done much of anything. And in fact, we'll see in our income that using these Web3 platforms has actually paid us. 

It's allowed the community to send value to us. Directly, without a middleman of advertising and corporate structure taking its big cut.

What we did have to spend money on was Descript, StreamYard, which I think was well worth the money that we spent. We did an experiment with a video editor. So it was something like Fiverr, but even more loose. And I'm quite happy with that experiment. We can go more into that with anybody on the stream that is interested or in our group chat that's interested to find out.

BeavChris

Mm-Hmm. 

BArt-Head

Including our editor who is on Farcaster. We did an experiment to learn about video editing and see what else could be done. And in reality, Descript is an extremely powerful platform, streamYard is an extremely powerful platform. And the last big line item on our costs is we spent some money for a giveaway at FarCon through FCNY, who are our friends, to try to get eyeballs on our show and to make it interesting. 

BeavChris

Yeah, for this one, I want to speak a little bit about the giveaway experience.

BArt-Head

Sure. 

BeavChris

So one tweak, I will make next time is I think you were trying to accommodate me being like everywhere. And we didn't have a POAP device which is the NFC thing. So we were doing like a password frame.

But that ended up being a bit complicated for people because that required them to like know the password, find the place to enter it, and actually enter it. Whereas those who were doing POAP giveaways, it was just like a one scan, and then like people, You know, just have to enter their wallet. And that was that.

I think in the future, and also these POAPs were really well designed both in terms of art and also like Evan from POAP and Isabel were literally everywhere all at once. It was almost like kind of creepy because they were like little POAP angels who were at every single event. So I think that's what I would change next time is to use a POAP-based system for giveaways, just because it's so much easier for both the organizer and the receiver.

So I'll give myself a mild happy face for that one. 

BArt-Head

But to recap, we chose to go with a frame native experience over a POAP native experience. And I think even over 

BeavChris

It's pronounced PO-AP, I've confirmed. 

BArt-Head

There is, even like this morning, an active debate on what it is. How does Isabel say it?

BeavChris

Oh, I don't remember her exact pitch. But my impression as a user is that it is a little bit like Girl Scout badges. It's like a, it's like a memory. I think the way she pitches like, it's like a, it's like a memory that you can keep almost. Because like for her, if you meet Isabel, like every quarter, there was a different designed POAP that you can collect from her.

It's almost like an NFT with the way it's designed. So then you get to refresh that experience of meeting Isabel in person. 

BArt-Head

I have several POAPs from Isabel. I value them. They're really cool. 

BeavChris

Yeah. And their designer is really good. 

BArt-Head

One other thing that's very close to us on Farcaster is Icebreaker. And they have a really cool metal card that can be used for tapping. 

BeavChris

Yeah. And returning credentials back and forth. 

BArt-Head

So there, there are many shots on goal, trying to do this sort of thing. And the frames are the earliest, like my understanding is they finalized the code either the day of or the day before.

BeavChris

And then also even like whether I had an icebreaker badge was like really touch and go because I had a Vibes Pass and they didn't print the custom badges in time for the dozen of us that had a Vibes Pass. Yeah, so it was like a password frame was like a sure bet. Whereas the POAPs was a little bit scrambly. [Ed. Note: youknowwhaddamean] However, I think for next time, definitely I want to get into this NFC world.

BArt-Head

The NFC world overlaps with the NFT world and it is overlapping with the onchain world of your social graph. It's really fascinating. But these are basically our expenses. I'd say out of all the visible assets of The BCBH Show, most of them are either free or nearly free.

BeavChris

And even for example, StreamYard and Descript, I feel by using them, I actually got a few referrals, including know who's on the stream. So actually, our costs are even lower, at least for the first few months.

BArt-Head

That's cool. I like that even these Web2 platforms include some referral rewards, which remind us of Web3 mechanisms. Maybe it goes the other way around. But yeah, the fact that Web3 exists means that these platforms that hope to service us have to meet us where we are and give back some value, bootstrap their communities, etc. 

BeavChris

Okay, so how much do we make it? Oh, go ahead.

BArt-Head

Have I missed anything in terms of discussing our business cost? 

BeavChris

Let's check the chat. Is anything that oh, okay. In the chat Fufu says spreadsheet hacking is a life hack. Didn't expect that brand accounts, accounting numbers crunch on the season finale. 

BArt-Head

Thank you for joining our season finale.

BeavChris

Yeah. And Geoff said but where's the cost for artlu's makeup artists prior to each show? 

BArt-Head

We forgot the cost of our wigs! That's going to change the numbers. 

BeavChris

All right. Okay. So that is very effectively zero. Cause I printed this out myself. I forgot how much your wig was. 

BArt-Head

I spent real US dollars. 

BeavChris

Yes. For the freaking wigs. 

BArt-Head

My Ryan Gosling makeover. 

BeavChris

Yeah how much was your wig approximately? 

BArt-Head

$20.

BeavChris

Okay, alright, $20. I don't know 

BArt-Head

Everybody watch my face as Christin breaks my spreadsheet. Live. 

BeavChris

Oh, surely this autocomplete will fix everything. 

BArt-Head

Hopefully, yes. 

BeavChris

I don't know. Hey, if your spreadsheet doesn't account for someone futzing with it, then it's not a good spreadsheet. 

BArt-Head

Very good point. 

BeavChris

Okay. So I just added it here in row 16 and then I autocompleted it.

I don't know whether this fixes or breaks it, but come on. Like what is this negative one thingy? Oh, I guess it's the, is it the profit loss situation? Okay. Anyway, it's 20. So if it's off by 20 we'll, we're doing this live.

BArt-Head

So we've gone through our costs. And the real cost is our time or opportunity costs.

But for anybody considering making content, your barriers in web three are extremely low. We didn't have to spend money to try to get our name out. We have the Farcaster social graph. We have leveraged our existing followers and friends and made new friends. 

BeavChris

I think actually, when Adrienne and NounishProf were interviewing nonlinear on stage, Adrienne did boldly point out, because Jonny Mac was saying that, oh, look, how much money we've, I've made with Hypersub, anyone can do it. And Adrienne was like, yeah, but you're also frickin huge on Farcaster, right? And so is Ted. So I think there is also the implicit, the grind of getting a little bit of connections on a social graph first that really helps with starting a show.

BArt-Head

So you and I, we may appear to be huge to some people. I think we would appear to be quite small to others.

BeavChris

Exactly. Like Fufu says, we are squarely middle class.

BArt-Head

Wherever you are, there's room to go up. There's room to go down. And the cost should not be the limiting factor for most people. 

BeavChris

For sure. Yeah, I think the actual cost of making a show these days is pretty low and I think if anyone is gonna do this from scratch I really think the easiest way is to make friends with one person with really good reach on Farcaster and ask them to help quote cast you etc. Just to get that initial ball rolling. 

BArt-Head

That person could be us. 

BeavChris

Yes, that person could totally be us.

BArt-Head

Can we take 90 seconds out and do an ad read? 

BeavChris

Oh, sure, sure.

I'm looking at the, are you going to do the ad read? Oh, I should do the ad read. Apparently. 

BArt-Head

Yes, first, a comment. With Episode 6, our Season Finale, I aimed high. I know we think the world of our last sponsor, that he is perhaps one of the biggest gets that we could possibly get on Farcaster. And for episode six, I aimed even higher and did not get it. 

So everybody, thank you for listening to our show. Our sponsor this week is Farchiver. 

BeavChris

All right. I'll. 

Yeah Farchiver, the easiest way to save your Farcaster activity. As you may know, everyone's account is tied to storage, which pays each year for the network to preserve a fixed number of casts, reactions, and follows.

When storage runs out, those casts, reactions, and followers are pruned. But Farcaster is permissionless. Read, Write, and Own all your interactions. Oh, I guess this is a quote from Chris Dixon. You may right click, save everything and anything and own it forever on your own computer or in the cloud, or even pinned via Pinata IPFS.

Farchiver saves not only just your own casts, but everyone else's likes, recasts and replies to all your brilliant thoughts. You get a download link with a file you can browse forever on your own computer. Check it out at farchiver.xyz. Tell 'em BeavChris and BArt-Head sent you. 

BArt-Head

Thank you for listening to our advertisement. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I don't even know what Art was trying to get. So this will be my after show discussion with him.

BArt-Head

Maybe for episode one of season two. 

BeavChris

Okay. All right. All right. We'll give it another shot. But yeah, speaking of sponsors, so that's the start of our profit section, right? The green section. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, it turns out that sponsorship is a very important part of paying for the cost of a show. And so we try to do 90 seconds or three minutes. We price it at 0.1 ETH for the three minute segment. We are very grateful to beecurious, proxystudio, and Farcasteradmin for very graciously choosing to partner with us, to sponsor our show and to have us read for them or not for them in the case of Proxy Studio.

And these contributions go a very long way in the revenues of our show. If you hear a podcast with no advertising, then their revenues are coming in other formats. And some of the other formats for us, we're sharing now, but overall the advertising revenue is a significant part. Another choice we made was to go through Zora, which contains mint fees and referral rewards, including to our early minters.

So we put each of our episodes on Zora. I went through yesterday. It's very easy to do the accounting and see the creator rewards. 

BeavChris

You didn't even have to, technically anyone can see all these numbers. 

BArt-Head

Exactly. I opened six webpages. So these ETH amounts are here. Do you remember BeavChris, how much we thought would come from this before starting?

BeavChris

The Zora?

BArt-Head

Right, the mint fees. 

BeavChris

Nothing. I wasn't expecting very much at all.

BArt-Head

Yeah, can you do it just a quick selection of the mint fees? And read out how much we made.

BeavChris

Okay, I need to a little something. This is again very horrifying for Art to watch.

BArt-Head

I can do it without a mouse. 

BeavChris

Okay, so Zora is like $108. And then Paragraph is $4. And I really want to contrast this to web2 creation, because if we had put this all out onto YouTube, for instance you would make $0, because you really don't make a cent until you hit 1,000 subscribers and hit thousands of hours of watch time.

BArt-Head

But then you make millions of dollars! 

BeavChris

Mhm. Yeah, exactly. The tail is like super, super long there, so we think it's very surprising. 

BArt-Head

We think the Zora tail, we will make millions of dollars eventually when we have that scale, but we are getting compensated way, way earlier. I think I would have been happy going in if we made $50 on all of our mints across everything. That would have been a great outcome, feeling extremely rewarded. And so I am very grateful to episodes, and I'm quite happy that our fans have as their own assets these mints . 

BeavChris

With YouTube, if YouTube were to de-platform you, like your viewers would lose access to that episode forever. This idea of ownership is actually really important especially as we get into more of these, as the world's getting more and more centralized in some ways.

BArt-Head

I would never say anything to de-platform my content.

BeavChris

But you don't have to, right? Right now, I watch lots of YouTube. People get demonetized all the time, and they're not showing anything that's even bad. It's either algorithmically determined, just like a stray bullet, or there are like nefarious parties who would use all sorts of copyright strike tricks to pull the episodes, for instance.

BArt-Head

But, I'm not a terrorist. I don't do anything illegal, say anything that would piss off anyone. 

BeavChris

And you don't have to. I'm not watching that kind of content. I'm watching very cozy, cute content, and they still get pulled sometimes. It's really sad.

BArt-Head

So we really are happy with this choice that we made. We're open to hearing from our collectors how to make it, even more rewarding, more valuable, more interesting, but that was a very nice experiment for us. We'll probably continue it. 

BeavChris

Yeah and I'm actually surprised that someone minted a Paragraph. So that's super, super nice. Do you want to talk about the Drakula tokens? I feel a little confused about that one because I thought I saw some transactions, but maybe not. And also didn't we earn like $BLOOD or something? Is that worth anything? 

BArt-Head

So the next segment is Drakula. When we started the show, Drakula did not exist.

BeavChris

But the day it launched, I posted a clip from our show on Drakula and, we were talking about it, sharing critiques, also using it and finding the experience for a creator. I haven't used it very much as a consumer, but I have used it as a creator. So my thoughts are coming from that side.

There's three revenue streams from Drakula. The first is creator rewards. The second is creator tokens. And the third is $BLOOD.

And creator rewards are a very significant pot of money and value that gets distributed to creators. We applied for it and we were not selected to receive it. And it appears that they are distributing widely, that is, every week the people who receive it are not overlapping.

BeavChris

And then it's also related to our account issue, right? So we had created this brand new account to post under so that it's a separate thing from what me and Art usually post, but that impacted our ability to gain the creator award because this account has like no followers.

And it was a, with a whole like, Art did a lot of back and forth behind the scenes, but I think that if we had started off with one of our accounts, it wouldn't have been so not straightforward to get that award. 

BArt-Head

I want to share this because I think the Drakula team did a really great job around it.

So BeavChris says we have no followers on our brand account. 

BeavChris

Or, very few.

BArt-Head

BArt-Head values every single one of you! You guys are all individually valuable and extremely important, to BArt-Head.

BeavChris

I feel like this is gonna be the one part that's gonna get clipped for the Drakula episode. 

It's gonna be like, you're gonna title it like, BeavChris shits on all her followers or something like that. I can already sense the troll. 

BArt-Head

BeavChris has 20,000 plus followers. The BCBHShow account has fewer. And anybody who's been on Drakula has seen the big accounts get shown in the feed. 

BCBH Show had a very hard time being shown to people. It was on us to drive viewership. So we tried and we did the efforts that we did.

I reached out in the background to the team and said to them, look @christin has many followers. People like her content. Can you help us out? Can you link our accounts? And they said, sorry, we don't have that capability. But we have given The BCBH Show a boost in the algo.

So they did their best to show our account and our clips to people browsing and to generate views. I did see that the view counts popped up after the change that they made. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. 

BArt-Head

We have gotten an unfair help because I reached out to the team. I would encourage other creators to engage with the Drakula team and raise concerns because they seem to be interested in making the creator experience better.

BeavChris

Okay. 

BArt-Head

Now we didn't get a reward, but that's a big zero. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

We created some creator tokens, and I bought some, it's showing up in the accounting here as zero, but I think a portion of that value is probably going to my wallet. And so that's going to be between five and $30. It's like the total number of collectors of the creator token is so low, that there's not much value. 

BeavChris

So I recall that there were a few more people who bought us like earlier and then maybe they sold us or something, which is totally fine. But I'm guessing that transactionally, like if someone makes a transaction based on our token, we don't get anything, right? 

BArt-Head

If there's a transaction, we get some money. 

BeavChris

Oh, okay. 

BArt-Head

And if the token you hold goes up in value, you may sell it to crystallize some of that value. 

BeavChris

Yeah.

BArt-Head

I remember I did buy fairly high relative to where we are. So hopefully my purchases rewarded our early collectors. And this is a way to get some value to your brand if you focus on it and work on pumping your token price.

BeavChris

Yeah I can see how if you're able to concertedly change the token value, then that rewards early people. But it seems a little bit tricky as well.

BArt-Head

It's not easy to make value appear out of nowhere. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and then what about the $BLOOD? Is the $BLOOD worth anything? 

BArt-Head

Blood only is worthless. 

BeavChris

Oh. 

BArt-Head

They're points. 

BeavChris

What.

BArt-Head

They may become worth more later, but they're points. 

BeavChris

Oh, darn it. I thought they were exchangeable for something. 

BArt-Head

I may be wrong. If I'm wrong. Okay, we'll be happy. 

Let's do $enjoy tips next. 

BeavChris

Okay. Thank you all so much. I really appreciate that the tips that you know, we have all received as though because of the show and I know that it's many of you watching are the ones who are tipping us. So thank you. 

BArt-Head

By the way, tipping is a very significant portion of the revenues of the show. And what it does is it supplements and replaces some of the sponsorship. In many cases, it comes from money that's kind of, sort of yours, but kind of, sort of not, which is an interesting dynamic. And tipping is evolving.

It's a very interesting space. My understanding of the background, is that @jacek built tipping in $DEGEN as maybe feature number five or six on his list of things that he wanted to include in DEGEN, but he built it because it was easy to build and it would have a very high return on possibly getting attention to the meme coin and adding value to the ecosystem.

More recently, they have reduced the tip allocations. 

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

Which, of course, everybody knows, and they've chosen to do so rather than try to solve very difficult problems of anti sybil, anti farmer, making sure the money goes to the people that have contributed the most to the ecosystem. If you recall, the degen tipping mechanism is extremely laissez-faire. A lot of things are allowed. And on the other side. It's extremely opaque. There is a list of disqualified wallets.

BeavChris

Yeah. 

BArt-Head

The list grows whenever it grows. And wallets come off of that list whenever they come off of that list. 

BeavChris

I feel like 

BArt-Head

different communities. Oh, go ahead. 

BeavChris

It was since ever since that ban hammer of the wallets, like the price drop, because a lot of these farmers are like, screw this, and then they sold and left. And then now I look at my wallet and be sad. 

BArt-Head

I think that's what happened. People bought $DEGEN in order to participate in some extractive or positive sum activity. They see that extractive or positive sum activity is no longer available to them. And so they leave. I don't think that is irrational. And I don't think that's unexpected. 

BeavChris

Your love of rationality. 

BArt-Head

I actually love self determination. I think they choose to sell an asset that they no longer believe in. And that's the true free market.

But my point here is that $DEGEN does not appear interested in solving tipping. If they reduce the allocations, then they can afford to have tipping the way it is with low level leakage of value while still benefiting from allowing $DEGEN community members to tip each other and allowing the community to direct the airdrop in ways that the community feels is appropriate.

Those are all values that they hold. And at the same time, there are other communities who are very eager to explore tipping mechanisms. And so there are different experiments going out there. One of which is Enjoy. Another one is $NOGS, which is skin in the game. You have to tip something that you have. Whereas $enjoy, you tip something you don't yet have. And so there's different incentives embedded in there. 

We received 9,000 $enjoy in the last airdrop. I believe we have more, but I'm not sure. 

BeavChris

No, it's not, it's not um, airdrop. It's, this is tips received. 

BArt-Head

We're sorry, in the last collection. 

BeavChris

Right, exactly.

BArt-Head

Where the tips went into our wallet. By the way, everybody, our wallet is public, bcbhshow.eth. All these numbers should be consistent. 

BeavChris

Well, the enjoy tips went into my wallet because the Zora account is tied to me. 

BArt-Head

[silent scream] I see! Okay. 

BeavChris

Well, what did you think I was showing you in the screenshot? Again, the joy of creator, like, administration. Yeah. 

BArt-Head

I suspect we have more, because I feel like I've seen more. 

BeavChris

Me too, something is not quite adding up so, so let's, let's go back and check that. 

BArt-Head

And how much, BeavChris, is that worth, that 9,000 $enjoy?

BeavChris

According to you, it's worth $2. And it's very funny, because I think you had the math wrong, and you were all excited for a hot second. 

BArt-Head

Yes, we were excited, because we had put the 9,000 In the $DEGEN column. So if you type 9,000 in the $DEGEN column, that's a lot more money. 

BeavChris

Yeah. It's very nice though. I can't complain about free money. The fact that I have so much $enjoy in my wallet right now, it's already very enjoyable. 

BArt-Head

Let's go quickly and just sum up the $DEGEN. How much $DEGEN did we get according to our accounting? 

BeavChris

Oh, did you do that? Is it at the top? Is this what it is? 

BArt-Head

No right above the enjoy, there's three rows. There's one for our brand account. There's one for your wallet and there's one for my wallet. 

BeavChris

Yeah. But you didn't do the total yourself. I have to do it manually now. 

BArt-Head

Yes. Yeah. Column K, add it up in dollars in column K. 

BeavChris

I would not have laid out the spreadsheet this way, but mumble, mumble. 

This much. 

BArt-Head

Is that more or less than our sponsorship? 

BeavChris

Depending on how much $DEGEN is worth on any day, it's about very similar. 

BArt-Head

And if we say that my Farchiver sponsorship gets discounted because it's me paying, not someone else in the community. The community has paid us more in $DEGEN than 

BeavChris

for sure 

BArt-Head

anybody else right? Our fans are in fact the ones supporting the show. By way of $DEGEN tipping. 

BeavChris

Mm-Hmm. 

BArt-Head

So for me, some people are saying that the allocations were too high to start. And I disagree with that. I think by being high, they gave an opportunity for people to express their values. And send value in directions that are consistent with the community's will. 

BeavChris

Yeah, it's a vote. 

BArt-Head

And were some of that money misdirected or misspent? I would also say absolutely yes, but for creators, the fact that the value was some huge multiple of the value of enjoy is an absolutely great thing. And in some ways it makes the difference between content existing. And not existing. 

BeavChris

Exactly. And are these top numbers the totals? 

BArt-Head

Yes. 

BeavChris

Oh, you sure? You didn't do any math wrong? Okay, cool. So are these numbers, are they meeting your expectations? Are they meeting our, I don't want to say similar shows, similar category of creation? Like how are we shaping up?

BArt-Head

You don't want to say this, but I'll say it. There was an interesting cast from @ted looking for a producer to join their Farcaster podcast, and she shared how much money their podcast was making. Everybody listening to this should know that we have pursued a slightly different strategy to monetize our podcast.

BeavChris

We don't have Hypersub, for example, and the economics and the upside downside of Hypersub are very different from our revenue streams. My understanding is they do not have advertising.

BArt-Head

And so by sitting through advertising, you have to tip less for the same outcome, or you have to subscribe less for the same economic outcome. I think in reality, in both cases, you get content for free paid for by some mix of the creator and their avid fans. And I think in general, the avid fans are happy to pay because they truly believe This content should exist.

And then there's different tiers of how much people believe the content needs to be in this world. And that's a true part of every artistic endeavor.

But this is our, these are our numbers. You may review these numbers by minting our NFT for this episode. 

BeavChris

Yes.

BArt-Head

Or right click saving. 

BeavChris

Yeah. Can I make this, I'm trying to make this so you can even take a nicer screenshot. Let's see here. 

BArt-Head

Oh, I was intentionally not making it screenshottable. 

BeavChris

Oh, you did? Oh, never mind. See, blame Art. I'm like, I'm trying to do you a service. Okay I feel like I can't decide whether this is like more or less than what I expected because , I was really shocked that we were able to even get the first sponsor.

BArt-Head

That's right. 

BeavChris

Yeah, because we're a completely new show and this is very unprecedented in like the normal web2 creator world to be able to make any money at all so early on. So really deeply appreciate you all for watching and 

BArt-Head

we really truly appreciate all the support. We're not sure if we could find a sponsor and we were able to find three.

BeavChris

I'm pretty confident we could have found two for this week, except I chose to go after one really big sponsor. 

BArt-Head

And we did write down before we started our expectations or our goals and our dreams, so we can review that offline. 

BeavChris

There's so many Google Docs. I think like Google Docs is really the MVP of this entire enterprise. 

BArt-Head

Also free. 

BeavChris

Yeah, it's awesome. 

BArt-Head

In return for your private data. 

BeavChris

Oh man, this is so funny. 

BArt-Head

We have done about an hour of accounting. Thank you all for listening. We appreciate you all. 

BeavChris

Yeah, and of course, I feel like, even on the GMFarcaster panel, when I was asked why do we do things only in Web3 onchain and not use the other tools, my first answer was, like, Because I want to suffer the pain so that others wouldn't have to. And of course ToadyHawk gave a much better answer of so that people can own the episodes, etc.

BArt-Head

Thank you ToadyHawk!

BeavChris

Yeah, Yeah. But I think like, that's it, right? We want to help you make a show as well. So let us know if you're interested in creating anything. We would definitely boost you the ways that we can and also show you or help you with some of the trials and tribulations. Because if we list them all, this is going to be like a three hour episode of all the things that went wrong.

BArt-Head

Yeah. The point of us sharing all this information is hopefully to help people make informed decisions. Also to help builders identify pain points as well as opportunities for making the world have more content that we think should exist. 

BeavChris

Exactly. Okay. Should we wrap it up? This is our finale. 

BArt-Head

Let's see if there's anything else in the chat. 

BeavChris

Thank you so much, Grace, for clipping. I don't even know if that's which part you had clipped, but I'm sure it's funny. 

Yes, we're encouraged to launch Unlonely tokens. 

BArt-Head

Actually, we, so we did not explore Unlonely. We did not explore Hypersub. We did not explore several other revenue streams. And that's, an exercise left for the reader. It's also a possibility for season two. 

BeavChris

Yeah, I think for season two, we have, or I have thrown lots of ideas at Art. What we can do to make things more interesting and to continue to try new tools and new strategies for creating content, for bringing up social commentary, etc. So please, although this show may not be on next week, we will still be onchain. In some format.

BArt-Head

Thank you all for listening. We appreciate you. The best way to support us is onchain by minting our episodes and Drakula clips. Please tip us $DEGEN and $enjoy. 

To wrap up Season 1, BArt-Head and BeavChris have chosen very short pieces to leave you with. I'd like to read a passage from the Book of Acts, Chapter 20, Verse 35. 

In everything I did, I showed you that by his kind of hard work, we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said. It is more blessed to give than to receive.

[BArt-Head crosses himself] 

BeavChris

I bet you weren't expecting that. And so, I want to share a little Zen koan story. Actually I can't find it right now on my page, but essentially a student went to the Zen master and was like, Hey, how do I realize emptiness? And the Zen master then reached over and pinched the guy's nose and tweaked it really hard and the guy was screaming in pain. When I shared the story with Art I said that, you know, a lot of these like Zen masters are the biggest trolls in the world and a lot of my contemporary teachers are also like Dad jokes, trolling type people.

And it's because oftentimes trolling and at least like when people are in on the joke, it is a really a way for us to see the truth. And so that is the ethos of BeavChris and BArt-Head in short. 

BArt-Head

Thank you everybody. See you next time. 

BeavChris

Take care. 

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BeavChris

Hello, we are live, theoretically.

BArt-Head

GM, hello, BeavChris, how are you? 

BeavChris

I am good, I do see that we're live. Yeah it's been a fun week. I feel like I was scrambling to put together a build for a one week sprint while you were gone, and it was really fun. How about you? 

BArt-Head

Yes! I've been away for a week. It was, it's still spring break actually for part of this week.

And we went to Europe. I shared lots of photos. I met a fellow Farcaster unplanned, but we found out we were actually in the same city at the same time. And we met up for drinks. That was fun. And then I casted about being in Europe as an American. 

BeavChris

Oh yeah, I love that series. 

BArt-Head

Banned me.

What's that?

BeavChris

What? They banned you? 

BArt-Head

Yeah! Tim said nope, I had to silence @artlu. Because he's annoying, and so I am no longer welcome in /europoor, which is okay, because I am not a Europoor. 

BeavChris

Wait, what was, okay, what was offensive about what you cast, or did I miss some offensive casts? 

BArt-Head

I think the tipping point was, I said, somebody is rolling over in his grave, maybe Keynes or some economist, because timdaub who created /europoooooor I don't know how to say it, Europoo-oo-oo-oor, 

has a very fun channel, much more, I'm sorry, but it's much more fun than the /europe channel.

BeavChris

Oh, for sure. 

BArt-Head

And Tim is a pretty masterful troll of Americans. And so I was responding to him half in good faith, half in fun about one of his comments about the US dollar being inflated and how that's actually really. In my mind, it's really poor use of economics and numbers. And he, I think got tired of me, continuing to point out that I think he's wrong. Which is fine. And then he said, Oh, and I had to mute @artlu from the channel. Because I continued to challenge him. And so I am no longer having fun in /europoooooor. 

BeavChris

Aww, so that means you can't even reply, right? 

BArt-Head

I don't know! I can reply, and other people can see me in different clients, because the mute functionality only applies to people reading in Warpcast. 

BeavChris

Oh, that to me is the weirdest design! It's there is no door, you just think there's a door, but it's more like a little curtain situation. 

BArt-Head

Yeah, that's the difference between a protocol and a client. So the client can enforce rules on top of the protocol. Warpcast is experimenting with different rules for channels to help them work better.

And eventually those rules will make it into the protocol. And I assume that certain layers of rules will be optional or choices to be respected in the client because the casts always exist at the protocol level. So the client can choose to hide the cast or not. And I assume most clients will follow the protocol and maybe there'll be a pro user opt out to be able to see the pure feed.

I also assume as soon as you flip the switch, you will just be overwhelmed with noise. And so people will rarely do that. 

BeavChris

Right.

BArt-Head

That will effectively silence, or enable that gate and enforce the freedom of reach concept.

BeavChris

Have you ever read the Library of Babel by Borges? Do you know the short story?

BArt-Head

Is it in /Spanish?

BeavChris

Originally? Yes, but of course I read the translated version. 

BArt-Head

Okay. Tell me about it.

The idea is that sometime in the future or something like there's a library where every single combination of letters have been written down and produced, and it's like a Library of Alexandria in theory, but in actuality, because every single letter juxtaposed with every single letter has been produced, it ends up being like 99.999% noise. And so then there are these like different groups of people, some people are like desperately flipping through every single page to find some signal of something that will help them out. There are people who are like just burning books that are irrelevant to them because they're just like, oh, this is noise. We got to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

And essentially it drives the attitude of people towards Farcaster, the different camps , of the curator type. 

BArt-Head

That's the first time I've heard this. 

BeavChris

Hmm? 

BArt-Head

That's the first time I've heard this applied to modern social media. That's fascinating. 

What's your takeaway? Or sorry, what was Borges' takeaway in the book? 

BeavChris

I feel like he left it really ambiguous. I don't remember the plot being like, and these people were the correct people all along or something like that. I think it was showing like the various desperate ways in which we try to like make sense of the world, is my takeaway.

But yeah, I need to reread it cause I want to make this like cast where I make the analogy. Different types of people have been like, have you read this wonderful short story I was forced to read in college? 

BArt-Head

Forced to read. Yes. 

BArt-Head

Yes. For some reason I don't know, did you go to a college that made you take like Common Core type classes, like liberal arts classes?

BeavChris

Absolutely. 

BArt-Head

Yeah. So so at USC, I took this class about modernity. What I thought it was about modern stuff, turns out it was about the Age of Enlightenment and its various literature. 

BArt-Head

You got rugged by USC liberal arts. 

BeavChris

I did. I think it's good. I think I learned a lot even though I'm still, I was forced to read Frankenstein and learn about the women's suffrage movement. It was really good, actually. But the grading was really hard.

So that was my like, you know, as you know, the gaming the grades, that was not an easy class. 

BArt-Head

And so what were the incentives? Were the incentives set up so that you should do the least amount of work to get by? Or were the incentives set up so that you should actually engage deeply with the text?. 

BeavChris

Uh, for the class, it was a bunch of really disaffected bored TAs deciding your fate, so I don't even know what would have been the optimum strategy there. 

BArt-Head

And so the students migrated very quickly to nihilism. 

BeavChris

Pretty much, yes. Yeah, we had a very sad, cynical TA type, which I don't blame like, grad school, it would just beat the soul, the spirit out of anybody. 

BArt-Head

So let's substitute TAs, like underpaid overworked TAs, for unpaid channel moderators. Let's substitute the grading incentive with $DEGEN tip allocation incentives. 

BeavChris

Yeah.

BArt-Head

And let's substitute the label or promise that you would take a class on modernity, and then you show up with, and you're presented with old stuff, with the promise of Web 3.

Web 3 is going to be this new thing, but Oh look, let's lift the covers and see, Oh, it's actually Web 2. Things that are claimed to be decentralized or 

BeavChris

Well, that's an obvious Scooby Doo meme there. Oh and, our audience joining us. So I think we should get back into our usual greetings and really start the show !

BArt-Head

Yeah, so welcome to The BeavChris and BArt-Head Show! Shout out to our permissionless partners Unlonely, Base on Zora where we have our onchain media mints, Paragraph where we post our blog posts, Drakula for short video clips, and Seemore.tv which wraps it all together for us.

This week, we're back after a one week break, and I wanted to give a quick shout out to all the people attending FarCon. You will get to meet our prior sponsor, Ina, in person, and maybe try some fine tea, hand delivered from Japan. Unfortunately, it appears you won't get to meet our anti ad sponsor last week, Proxy Studio.