Speaking of interviews, it's actually more like a discussion with friends. In this issue, they talked about how Mark entered Web3 from a musician. They talked about the onboarding of DAO, the social and technical layers of DAO, and how people work in DAO Build trust in DAO and how to resolve conflicts in DAO. The host Jess speaks 52% of the time, while the guest only has 48%. Considering Jess's speaking speed, this buddy is equivalent to outputting two-thirds of the host's speech. Content. But never mind, we all love Jess.

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Mark Redito: Youth was spent in DIY circles, underground music circles and punk circles. He did albums, releases, tours. After the pandemic began to explore new directions, which led him to the Web3 space, first to FWB , and finally devoted himself to Songcamp. As a musician, he considers himself a creator, and in a space suitable for creators like Web3, he is deeply integrated into it.

DAO onboarding

Mark: The onboarding system of each company is not so clear, especially all kinds of DAOs are now attracting a large number of people from non-encryption circles. It is even more problematic for these people. Because everyone has different backgrounds, and each DAO has a different culture, The goals are also different. And everyone is not used to such a flat and free organization.

As a new person myself, I have gone through a lot of learning process, learning terminology, learning technology. And as the organizer of DAO, it should be simple enough, accessible enough, understandable enough. It also needs someone to be able to establish the context, Let people understand how these things work. But even then, many newcomers get confused. This time it involves patience and humility, telling people, "It's okay, sit first. It's normal to not understand, we ourselves It didn't make much sense either. The important thing was that we were together. We figured it out together".

Social Layer and Tech Layer

Mark: We can't ignore the social layer when we talk about permissionless, interoperability, etc.

Jess: DAO organizations are a mix of tools, technology, and humans. Tools can enhance trust and increase transparency. But most of the obstacles and friction points in DAO development right now are not because of technology, and the solutions to these obstacles may be solved by technological tools , but these issues should be driven and generated by humans and organizations first.

The current ideologically driven structures and decisions may have supported us early on to get things done, but we are now entering the next phase, one that is more practical, more realistic, more progressive, with a clear business model, which is too complex , and there are countless nuances. How these differences should be handled, and what results they will lead to, we don't know. So we need more DAOs, more people involved in such work and learning, and more experiments. , step on more pits. Eventually we can build more suitable tools and structures.

Mark: Yes yes, it's a bit about centralization and decentralization. It may not be absolute, and at some point, if our goal is efficiency, some degree of centralization may be unavoidable. Like when you build When it comes to a product, concentrate a little faster. If we're talking about broader governance, where decisions will affect the entire community, it's better to be decentralized. Like you said, like there are nuances here, I'm careful to say, is decentralization the only way? Probably not.

How to stay efficient and evolve

Mark : The most important thing is to stay humble. Accept that you can't get everything right. Accept the fact that someone will be smarter than you and that you should learn from them. I will not know how to adjust and challenge myself, how I can deconstruct my pride, and how I can truly embrace other people's ideas.

Adaptability is another core value I've learned as part of a collective and distributed network. Because if things are unknown, if things are uncertain, how do you stay aware and look forward? Because there are so many unknowns, all you can do is really adapt and stay flexible. That's what I've learned from gardening as well.

DAO Landscaper

Jess: Haha, when it comes to gardening, there is a common language. I used to be a professional gardener.

Mark: I'm going, you're too aggressive. I'm a hobbyist, but not a professional. In my opinion, DAO is very similar to gardening. You do the seeds, turn the ground, fertilize, and water. The rest It's up to them. In the end you find that some grow well and some don't. Then next season you know, maybe this one needs to be sown earlier, that one needs to be watered more. You need to be adaptable and flexible sex.

How to build trust

Mark: Trust is primarily built through human interaction. Either one-on-one interactions, or repetitive group interactions like townhall. The more we talk to each other, the easier it is for us to open up to each other The more we rely on each other. Then how can we have more interaction, how can we care about each other, how can we be honest with each other, how can we ensure the smooth flow of information. With the development of DAO, this will become a challenge.

Jess: The biggest friction for trust, progress, or collaboration is information asymmetry, and it's a huge challenge that we have to fight.

give community space

Mark: At the core, it's easy for people to depend on me, and when people depend on me for something, I'll do my best to take those responsibilities and take them seriously in the most honest way possible. It's not easy to maintain a community. But I also need to Making room for people to be creative requires a lot of emotional and cognitive energy. It's also making room for yourself, don't forget that you're an individual, you have a need for space, and take care of yourself.

Jess: I once had a two-week break, and when I found out that I wasn't there, the work wasn't affected, even better than when I was there. The goal shouldn't be to make a decision or to complete a task, it should be It's about creating the environment where the community can make these decisions (back to gardening). When these things are done, we can come together and bring this growing collective together to work on the same thing.

Mark: Exactly, I had the same experience. It's such a wonderful thing when teams really come together and really make their own decisions. Of course it also challenged my heart, I thought I was needed, I needed to be there. But it wasn't, they didn't need me, they didn't do anything bad.

Jess: Yes, yes, sometimes it's better not to show up.

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