Edward Carpenter
On its surface, the suggestion that builders of Web3 platforms, protocols, tokens and tools should start their efforts from behind a "veil of ignorance" doubtless sounds a little, well... strange.
But the term comes from John Rawls, widely considered one of the greatest philosphers of the modern era. Bob Davies, an Oxford scholar writes:
Rawls’ "Veil of Ignorance" is probably one of the most influential philosophical ideas of the 20th century... a way of working out the basic institutions and structures of a just society. According to Rawls, working out what justice requires that we think as if we are building society from the ground up, in a way that everyone who is reasonable can accept. (Emphasis mine.)
I emphasized the bold text in that sentence because that is what we are currently doing in Web3 - in the Farcaster ecosystem, on WarpCast, and elsewhere. We are building a new sort of society - replete with economic and social opportunities unheard of in previous times. Make a micropayment to a person half-way around the world instantly and at almost no marginal cost? Find an audience of like-minded people interested in nearly any niche? Integrate human and artificial intelligences to create art and spread ideas?
Truly, this is an amazing time to be alive and early.
And it gives us a unique opportunity to implement Rawls' vision for how to create a society that is fair and equitable for all of its citizens - a vision which can be implemented by groups, but whose principles can be just as easily implemented by a single programmer preparing to deploy a smart contract or a bot - any visionary sitting down to draft their project's white paper.
In short, Rawls' holds that any person or persons who were empowered to create a society - or element thereof - is naturally predisposed to weighting the scales in their own favor, in that of their family, their friends, their religious or ethnic group, their circle of "OGs".
That is the way human social organizations - be they political, military, economic, or academic have always been created and iterated - and it is the reason why the world as we know it - both online and IRL - remains one with vast inequities that drive endemic conflict, and which create (or ignore) vast numbers of hungry, desperate, and dispossesed.
Rawls believed that the only way to solve that problem was to create our template for what a "just society" looked like from behind a "Veil of Ignorance."
Suppose you were tasked with creating such a template - but that you did not know how you yourself would be "born into" the society you created.
If you did not know what race, what gender, or what income bracket you would be born into, would you be likely to create the world as we know it? A world where women, by and large, are still deprecated vis-a-vis their male peers in terms of income and opportunity? Where some races are imprisoned at rates far in excess of others? Where 1 percent of the population controls 45% of the world's wealth, while a billion of their fellow humans live in poverty?
If you didn't know whether you'd end up as a Power Badge holder or a member of the "unbadged masses" - whether you'd be granted a large tip allowance, or whether you'd be too poor to hodl the minimum $DEGEN required for any allowance at all. If you didn't know whether you'd be a human labeled as a bot, or a bot labeled as a human?
From behind such a "Veil of Ignorance," Rawls believes that ANY intelligent person (I would say, 'any intelligence') would, out of self-interest, create a system that:
Grants each person equal access to basic liberties, and
While acknowledging that some social and economic equalities are bound to exist (and may be important*) would build a system to ensure equality of opportunity, and afford the greatest benefit to the least advantaged.
* An example of where/when a degree of inequality might be important is in some degree of wealth or status insofar as we want entrepreneurs, innovators, and leaders to be incentivized to work towards improvements that benefit society - that said, it should be noted that many people (i.e. scientists and amateur athletes) do great work that is not motivated by economic incentives. More on this below...
Professor Davies puts it like this:
If you had to design a good life for yourself, you’d go for the specific things you care about. But behind the Veil you don’t know those specifics; you only know things that generally make people’s lives go well... things like money and other resources; basic rights and freedoms; and finally... the things you need to feel like an equal member of society (i.e. to feel valued/respected)
In Rawls’ view, a central challenge behind the Veil is the lack of probabilities available. If you knew that your society was 90% Catholic, you could set things up so that the rewards associated with being Catholic were much higher. That would be personally rational, since you are very likely to end up in the better off group. The Veil prevents this type of reasoning because it hides the information. In the complete absence of probabilities, Rawls thinks you should play it safe and maximise the minimum you could get... (the maximin principle) Translated into a society, that means that we should ensure that the worst-off people in society do as well as possible. (Again, emphasis mine.)
Regarding how the maximin principle would apply to dealing with levels of useful forms of inequality, a simple example would be a choice of systems for distributing benefits.
Imagine a media ecosystem of 10 people where 100 dollars in benefits was available for distribution. The system will requires at least 2 writers and 10 readers to function well - and assumes that (a) whoever is a writer is also a reader, and (b) it takes the same time to write an article as to read it - so how should the money be distributed?
We could say "equally" (10 dollars per person) but then the writers would then put twice the effort for equal reward, and that would be unfair/unjust - exactly what Rawls hoped to avoid. We would not ourselves wish to be a writer in such a system.
The system most beneficial to the writers would have each reader receive 1 dollar and the writers each receive 45 dollars for their writing - on top of the 1 dollar for their own reading. A slightly-less unbalanced system would have each reader receive 2 dollars and the writers receive and extra 35 dollars. But we would not want to be the reader in those systems.
We could continue iterating the math until we hit upon the model which maximizes the benefit to the readers without being unfair to the writers - which would be one where each reader receives 8 dollars (they do spend their priceless time reading, after all) and where the writers receive an additional 10 dollars for the extra effort they put into writing.
In that system, each of our two writers comes out 4 dollars ahead of a "purely equal" system, and each reader comes out better than they would in any system that was not inherently unfair to the writers.
You might note that equilibrium between valuing time reading and writing is actually attained at 8.5 dollars per reader - but then there would be no economic incentive to write as well as read, and without writers, the ecosystem would fail.
What is interesting is that the math scales as more people in the ecosystem become writers. Whether there are 2 writers or 9 writers, they can always make more than those who simply readers, but the readers always enjoy their best possible share - and if it gets to the point where ALL people in the ecosystem are reading and writing, the shares actually do become equal - and that is as it should be.
The takeaway for Web3 in general and the Farcaster ecosystem in particular?
Everyone building - or influencing - should be framing their targets from the perspective of ensuring equality of opportunity and maximizing the "minimum outcome."
For example, a system where are 400,000 Warpcast users, but only the "Top 1000" (by any chosen metric) are awarded the majority of $DEGEN tip allowances - and where many users are given no tip allowance simply because they lack the personal capital to acquire 10,000 $DEGEN fails to meet either of Rawls' principles for the design of a "just society." Not everyone has equal opportunity to tip at all (because not everyone can afford 10,000 $DEGEN) and for those who have any tip allowance, the minimum tip amount is not calculated in accordance with the maximin principle. And if those at the bottom don't feel "valued and respected" (hint: we do not) - and find themselves limited in the extent to which they can engage in positive social behaviors such as tipping for good content (hint: we do) they will at worst leave the ecosystem, or at best, fail to evangelize for it.
Thus, as builders and influencers, let's take a moment as we prepare to create or iterate to ask ourselves if the systems we are creating or advocating for are ones in which any person, from anywhere around the world, rich or poor, old or young, of this race/gender/religion or that, will find themselves with equality of opportunity and their "minimum viable start position" maximized - or whether they will find themselves (yet again) in a system stacked against those who arrive a little later, a little poorer, or a little less socially connected, a little less tech-savvy than others in their timelines.
As always, just my $6 DEGEN, and I look forward to hearing YOUR thoughts in the comments here, on WarpCast, or (if you're reading this, Banksy) spraypainted on a public edifice where I can see it.
You can’t build a crypto product without pandering to speculators And Speculation is incompatible with a crypto product’s long term success
Interesting observation. I feel there is a corollary problem where many projects do not take into consideration the real-world differentials of value around the globe and different "levels of privilege" in their Web3 ecosystem - they have expectations based on how rich elites are likely to behave, and act surprised when many others behave differently. Default reaction seems to be attempts to rewrite rules, exclude masses - but such actions are detrimental to widespread adoption/long-term success.
Every crypto project I have ever given a shit about has been built by philosophers and ruined by farmers and speculators.
I'm saddened but not surprised to hear that, and am curious what philosophical base those ruined projects had - I wrote a piece not long ago about why I think John Rawls' "veil of ignorance" should be the basis for constructing Web3 projects - I'd be happy to share the link if you're interested.
Popped into ChatGPT to have it update the "psychoanalysis" of Farcaster for me so I can revise my strategy now that Moxie has been here for a couple weeks. Might be interesting to consider your own strategies accordingly ;)
It's considering Farcaster as a "sentient entity?" That seems kind of creepy. 😂 Why would it compare it to a human brain? Interesting. I like what it had to say though and agree with a lot of it. I'm assuming this is the paid version? I'm going to sign up for that today. Free version is too limited.
I asked it to! I was just playing around with it one day towards the end of last year, and decided to see if adjusting my content strategies accordingly would do anything. I went from less than 100,000 impressions on Facebook to 2 million, then did it again scaling from 300,000 to 4.4 million after my accident. Applied the same technique here - it goes beyond that initial prompt where I do a Needs Gap Analysis and see how my particular niche can fill some needs in the network in a way that's mutually beneficial.
I really love the third paragraph
Me, too! When I first framed the question to ChatGPT months ago with Facebook, the idea was that all the intentions and casts of the founders, devs, and users are like the "thoughts" of this "entity", so what sort of "thoughts" do I want to put into the void that can best benefit both me *and* the network? I tried it with Facebook and boosted my growth there by like 600%, so when I came here, I tried it again. Finding what the network needs and how that aligns with what I can give for mutual benefit.
Interesting to see that ChatGPT and I are aligned on WHAT the FC ecosystem needs more of... reflection on values and the solutions to the problem of exploitation... But it will be interesting to see if /founders are more receptive to that message when it comes from AI vs human authors. HOW to encourage the integration of values that curb exploitative approaches? I wrote a bit about that here: https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders?referrer=0xd5f45430f18f31FcB4b5129b618e24A9bafaC1e3 - I'd be curious to see what your ChatGPT client would think about using Rawlsian ethics (or something else) in the context of its responses to your previous queries... ...and a 3785 $farther 🎁 to help care for the 🐈s!
Some of that ChatGPT alignment is because I've had a LOT of conversations with it about my own philosophies and visions for my life and the world, and it's now got persistent memory features, so it "knows" me :D I started playing with this idea of a "sentient social media platform" late last year with Facebook as an experiment to see what it would do with my follower stats if I started curating content according to that analysis. What does the Facebook entity need to become "healthier" and then feed it that. The results were I went from less than 100,000 impressions to 2 million impressions between January and May, had a dip to 300,000 after my accident, and in a month, brought it up to 4.4 million impressions. I applied the same theory to Farcaster. Have ChatGPT analyze it for me, do a needs analysis, determine how my content could fill that gap. Farcaster needs community, it needs interesting content, and I'm really good at both of those.
Every time I log on, I seem to come across another example of "features" which unbalance the user experience. The latest? I'm trying to help curate a Round in @inceptionally 's "I Took a Photo" contest. But when I search by the hashtag, the default is to show me only the photos which already HAVE a lot of votes. Other (some really great) photos are "hidden" in Recent. This kind of stuff is frustrating - I always have to be looking for the catch - which is hard when I have very limited time and am trying to fairly assess a lot of art in a short span of time.
I hear you! I’ve tried various strategies. One good strategy is to look at the photos on the Rounds site. But you will need to scroll down to see the less popular one. Right click and open a new tab on the time stamp under the username of the caster https://rounds.wtf/itookaphoto/itap-round-4-tip-victors-1
Hmmm... I also wonder what algorithm determines whose posts go into "Main" vs "Recent" - which is another discriminatory feature. I see there are a lot of pictures in "Recent" that don't appear elsewhere - and thus it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that they will receive fewer views and fewer chances. The game seems rigged, IMO, in favor of a subset of already-popular casters. Had I known that in advance, I'd have been a lot less likely to have participated.
Yeah. The algo is definitely biased towards power badge holders. I’ve been evaluating various moderation options - but the balance between high quality content and spam is challenging to maintain with current tools. I have left the default algo in place as the high quality content does make it into the feed often.
Can confirm this is true. I’ve had a lot of rounds content go unnoticed in other channels even with a power badge and following the rules. I think it depends on how the channel is set up and moderated. Not sure if rounds favors pbs and social graphs, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
Twitter does the same thing? Most people are searching for the most engaged content most of the time. But we offer Recent as one additional click.
Dan, if I wanted the Twitter experience, I'd stay on Twitter. Starting a response to a customer concern with "our competition does it too" is really NOT the flex many folks around here seem to think it is. Two thoughts: 1. I'd rather have the option to set my own default UI mode, and if there's a requirement to make "one additional click" in any part of the interface, make it so the user has to click to select the content stream that is inherently biased. 2. Can you please share the dataset on which you are basing your assertion that "most people" are searching for "the most engaged content most of the time"? Thanks in advance, Edward
1. Customization isn't a priority for us right now. 2. Intuition. 3. Twitter has 17+ years of iteration, so it's actually quite good for the default functionality.
Trying to apply Hegel to the big questions of Farcaster like...
Das ist mir zu hoch 😉
maybe @tldr can give us a explain hegel like i'm five.
“Once upon a time, everything that human beings did for all of history seemed like chaos and a wild swing between opposite ways. But actually, they were all a perfect and predictable story. That’s because they have been guided by a big, friendly, wise man in the sky called Mr. Reason. And now that Mr. Reason has finished his work with his masterpiece, 19th Century Europe, there will be no more chaos or even wild swings but we will all live reasonably ever after.”
I tried applying Rawls... would be interested in hearing your thoughts! https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
Looking at how $DEGEN Season 6 has wiped out many well-established, kind, & generous folks unable to "buy in" at the allowance level which their months of generosity & valuable content had brought them - or were unwilling to participate in a system that privileges excess capital over any other factor, I'm more convinced than ever that we need philosopher-builders in Web3. https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
Trying to collect to add this to my gallery. Paragraph is always weird on the first mint.
Thanks for the effort! Let me know if you're getting an error that looks like something I can address by taking admin action in my Paragraph account!
It's a bug on /paragraph. I tried and idk where my $2 went lol @mkkstacks might be able to explain it better
Wowzers. Great points in your article. There's such great conversation about this season. I hope we're in the jostling phase for a just ecosystem. What if everyone's discourse and protest leads to more iterating, and new and better protocols. We can decide what stays and goes with collective action. 500 $kat
Yeah. Buying the 10k degen so I could tip and having the power user badge and being given a tipping allowance of 10 that dropped to 6 really soured me. Especially as the 10k dropped in value too.
Heh... you should see some of the memes I've posted the last few days... https://warpcast.com/ehcarpenter/0x1b97a784
Then again, @vagobond I never expected to be proved so right so quickly! 😅
Thanks for writing this, Edward. I did not know of John Rawls until today! Web3 (or whatever, I can't get into that label no matter how much I try haha) as a means to value/reward writers and readers and writer-readers is what fascinates me. The "indie" world of self-publishing was a liberating step in the right direction. But the chains still bind and older expectations still sting.
Thanks, Mark... Rawls, along with the 18th Century English philosopher David Hume have been great and positive influences on my own critical thinking. Agree with your thoughts re: labels on the Web, the importance of valuing both readers and writers, and the currently disappointing state of traditional/W2/W3 approaches to the latter are among the things I hope to address in greater detail once I get through my current workload associated with my latest book project! 😅
Imagine you post this and worked the whole last season to work your way genuinely up from 900 allowance to almost 4k with 10k Degen in your wallet. And now to receive 4k allowance you need a whopping 250-300k Degen staked. :) Nonetheless, it is what it is. As I've said before, some day we will have a SoFi experience that's not run based on how much liquidity or social score you have built. Happy New Season and Claim Day, frens!
Ashwini, I've just seen a great friend @danicaswanson lose the large allowance which she used kindly and wisely - it's yet another shock to see how poorly thought-out some of these seasonal changes are. It's great to give another OPTION for people like me who have a bit of spare ETH and want to use it to increase our ability to gift to others to "buy in" to allowances - but to penalize people who have worked long and hard and "played by the rules" - literally taking away with one hand as they give (the opportunity to pay) with the other is really quite distressing. Will write a long article about this in a week or so - I'd do it right now (yes, I know rage-writing is the opposite of empathy but I'm a work in progress) but sadly I'm way behind on a looming deadline IRL so must put most of my time and energy toward that.
We can only adapt, learn and find our own ways to do the best. <3
Wanted to take a moment to briefly acknowledge your kind words and principled stance. I plan to respond in depth to the points you touched on here (and elsewhere) when my attention is freed up enough for what I want to say. In the meantime, good luck with your deadline. We'll revisit this convo in time. 💜
It's all a work in progress, and certainly not a given. I am grateful for all who have given generously (and I have tried to be among those). But what is more, and that is something I really think we should not forget: I am extremely grateful for the impact this creation of @jacek has had on the entire community. The tipping principle (which has inspired many alternatives) has proven to be an game changer. I have struggled in the past 3 years since I joined Web3 (on the way down from the last cycle's top) to support the artists I appreciate. I've done as much as I can, but this tipping thing has allowed me to do many times more than I could before. I like to believe that I have put actual earnings into the wallets of quite a few artists. I was not able to do that on this scale before. That, plus some other facets I have written about in my newsletter before, have entirely shifted the paradigm that art (and other content) is free to a paradigm that art/content is valuable and should be rewarded.
Great insight and perspective as always, Arjan - deserves more time and a longer response than I can give now, but I agree with many of your points... it's a journey which we're just starting, but there are lots of forks in the road, and to choose the best ones and make the road less bumpy, I think actively employing a simple philosophical framework would help. Wrote about it in more depth here last week before this copy-editing deadline started to eat up most of my time and attention! Would be curious to hear your thoughts. https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
I finally managed to claim my first 10k degen. How do I find out what my tipping allowance will be?
It really is what it is I guess. Nevertheless, imma keep showing up. This season will be hard especially for those who still haven't made the cut in getting solid degen points, to stake, engage and get tipped. Initially thought they'd reduce the stake to atleast 5K so I could have staked too but I'm in a bit of a bind. I may not have degen to tip but I'm fosho tipping grnd. Happy claim day, Ashu!❤️
It's about damn time! Hopefully their ability to engage with generosity (instead of embarrassment at their tiny 5 $DEGEN allowances) will encourage the activity to earn their badges... that would be a "virtuous cycle," IMO... What do you think?
Exactly <3 I haven't been doing it because most of them have left bc of last szn, but I'm gonna do it again.
Thanks for your great example, and a 50 $DEGEN 🎁 for embodying the kind of philosophy we need more of... I wrote about it last week - would love to hear your thoughts if you're interested (but no worries if it's not you jam!) https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
thank you i will read <3 50 $degen
It seems to be encouraging farming, or at least that’s what I’ve been seeing the last few days. It’s easy to have money to hand out for likes and engagement. It’s HARD to have nothing and receive money from creating good content.
Agree 💯... Yes, and... My experience from the last month as a small, new account with no PB and 5-DEGEN-a-day allowance was that I could earn $$ from simply creating good content and interacting with some great accounts with whom I shared interests and worldviews... BUT... What I made in 🎩s (~30K DEGEN) would have put me under the poverty line according to the World Bank even in the "lower-middle-income" countries listed here.
That’s about what I made. I staked enough to give back to my supporters. 25 $degen 100 $WILD 1000 KAT
This is the type of sentiment us, little badge-less guys, need to keep us engaged here! Thanks for signal boosting this 🫶🏽
When the rules explicitly say "no farming" but PB accounts with big $DEGEN bags literally cast "F@%k you, we farming" Makes me look at my 7 $DEGEN daily allowance and wonder, "where is the justice?" What do you say, @jacek ?? https://warpcast.com/gig/0x8e66e306
Yeah it’s a problem
Indeed. The question is, will anything be done about it? This is one element of the 2-tier power structure that currently exists on WC which rewards bad behavior by some at the top, while punishing legiti engagement by many on the bottom. But it could be solved in a future distribution model - and I wrote about the philosophy that could guide devs in their thinking around such iterations here on WC & elsewhere in Web3. Would be curious to know what you think if it's a topic of interest for you! https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
I think the lockup’s will make it worse, tbh. I do my best to tip my supporters, but I’ve never felt the need to literally write “like.reply.tag.recast.” on every cast. That attracts bots and farmers. I have my own token that people earn through engagement already, and keeping bots out is a priority. 5 $degen 10 $00 🎭🎭🎭 100 $kat
Awesome! So impressed that you have your own token! I told myself I was going to stop with $degen and $farther, but now I am going to have to see how I can add $kat to my wallet! 😅 500 $farther 🎉
Thank you so much! My token is on Polygon. The ticker is $kat. They might be hidden since I haven’t updated the Polygon contract. You likely have a few in your wallet from following and engagement. Minting this gives you an airdrop of 500 $kat 💜 airdropped weekly through summer, early access to tipping on wc and lens, and a free month of my Hypersub. More info can be found in the /starfire channel. 5 $degen 🎭 10 $00 https://warpcast.com/katwolfie.eth/0xb8e89b3d
Welcome, Michael (@popegrutch) - Web3 is definitely in need of more librarians! I've been gifted a couple of resources for understanding how to succeed in this iteration of the platform 1. https://paragraph.xyz/@herocast/the-farcaster-power-badge-bible?referrer=0xd5f45430f18f31FcB4b5129b618e24A9bafaC1e3 2. https://paragraph.xyz/@arfonzo/power-badge-guide?referrer=0xd5f45430f18f31FcB4b5129b618e24A9bafaC1e3 I administer a channel for Web3 writers /writeonchain and you can search the channels to find niche groups for pretty much any interest you have, or start your own. Let me know if you need some Warps gifted to start your channel. There are also some "in-house currencies" which people use to tip / gift others for great content or just out of kindness - here's a bit of both the ones that I have! 6 $DEGEN 500 $farther One question for you - do you still take any freelance indexing jobs?
Edward, thanks for writing such a kind and thoughtful response, and for recasting into the /welcome channel (which I had forgotten about). I'll bookmark those articles for the next time I see questions about how to get the Power Badge. I agree that web3 could use more librarians. Sooner or later I hope we'll have a much more robust literary culture in web3. 3333 $DEGEN
Thanks, Danica! I've written a new piece about the philosophy which I think should underpin our evolving Web3 social culture, to include the literary aspect - I'd be very interested in your thoughts on it! And I'll be doing another post on what I think is the biggest unheralded aspect of the written word in Web3 soon! https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders
Bookmarked for my reading queue and will dive in soon.
"We are building a new sort of society - replete with economic and social opportunities unheard of in previous times." "...we should ensure that the worst-off people in society do as well as possible." Agreed. This is a major reason why I got into crypto. I have a long history as a rabble-rouser that way. I also think it's good to keep in mind that these are notoriously hard systemic challenges of the sort that have stumped many brilliant and well-meaning people for generations. Crypto gives us exciting and unprecedented ways to begin to address them, but implementation details are still very difficult to get right, and of course there are major cultural, social, and political challenges involved too. In any case, I'm with you on the importance of the quest! I really like your emphasis on the value that readers bring to literary scenes, BTW. That's frequently overlooked.
2222 $DEGEN
So into this. Thank you for letting me know 1069 $degen
Hello Edward, Just figured out how to see the entirety of your post and noticed the question at the bottom. My last and I think final indexing job, at least until I retire, was completed in 2014. If I took it up again, it would have to be a project I was pretty excited about and during some sort of lull in regular employment - doing it while working full time as a librarian is a grind!
What are you building on Base? Post to /base-builds from Friday to Monday to be eligible for 2 ETH in weekly rewards from @rounds https://rounds.wtf/base-builds/base-builds-by-roundswtf-4
I’m building /treeplanting https://warpcast.com/esss/0x49b1e286
I'm building awareness of the importance of leveraging philosophy to build inclusive Web3 social ecosystems: https://paragraph.xyz/@degenaissancedigest/philosophy-for-web3-builders and building an IRL book on reforming UN peacekeeping!