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Like many Farcaster users, I was swept up in the Degen frenzy earlier this year. Amid the excitement, I kept thinking there was an opportunity for a Farcaster-native token that offered branding and ideas not steeped in degenerate crypto culture, and could appeal more to people attracted to Farcaster specifically for its potential to improve social media.
This was the initial idea behind Farther. I branded as a Farcaster evangelist token, launched by airdropping it to power users, and didn't set an initial price. I explicitly said it had no intrinsic value and let airdrop recipients decide what it was worth.
While I was reluctant to follow Degen's path by launching tipping, the Farther evangelist program (tweet for token rewards) wasn't very effective. It was clear tipping was at the top of the list of things Farcaster users were excited about, so I built a tipping system for Farther. I now believe this was a mistake.
What I'm about to write will likely be obvious to some, blasphemous to others:
In my view, most (all?) Farcaster tipping tokens aren't sustainable. They require massive inflation and create constant sell pressure that can only be temporarily countered during a perfect speculative storm like Degen experienced. Eventually the music stops.
Farther has recently been allocating out about 5 million tokens per day in tip allowances. That's ~150 million per month, which is 15% of the total supply. That might work if the number of holders is quickly growing and nobody is selling, but the majority of these tokens are allocated to existing $farther holders, and the majority of the tokens get swapped for more stable assets as soon as they're claimed.
It doesn't help that there are many similar tipping tokens and Farcaster's active users has declined since Farther launched. Many tippers have been getting marked as spam accounts, which leads them into tip trading echo chambers. This is all the opposite of what I was trying to build with Farther.
All these realizations led to Farther V2, which essentially turns each tip into a bet in a prediction market on the social capital of the recipient. The hope behind this was if tips could be imbued with more tangible value, it could provide a path to fixing the economic model. This was a long shot, but the combination of Farcaster and OpenRank seemed like a fresh design space where tips could be used to boost engagement for underrated users and potentially reduce user churn. If enough of the Farther community bought into this vision, I thought it buy some time to transition to bringing more of the system onchain and make tips paid directly by tippers.
The V2 design has mostly been a success. While not perfect, it has shown good results in only a few weeks. Veteran tippers earnestly giving the most to underrated users outside of the Farther community have risen to the top of the leaderboard.
But I unfortunately overestimated the community's appreciation of the need to fix the economic model. Most tippers simply want to trade tips with each other so they can cash out at the end of each month. All attempts to restrain this behavior has been met with frustration and large amounts of selling (see replies here).
Despite the trajectory so far, I still think Farther has potential. The community is active, the token still has some value, most of the supply isn't in circulation yet, and the V2 scoring system seems to be working.
But given my increasing feeling of misalignment with the community, not to mention the large amount of time and money I've already spent on the project, I think the most ethical path is to turn it over to the community through a DAO.
This is the plan:
I've already burned the Uniswap LP tokens so liquidity stays permanently locked.
Tip allowances will pause indefinitely after the current cycle, ending tomorrow at 9am PDT.
Liquidity bonus rewards will also stop. The onchain incentive program will continue until its scheduled end (Oct 27, 2024).
Snapshots for August claims will be made within the next two days and claims will go live shortly after. As announced last week, claims will use Sablier airstreams that linearly vest over 30 days.
FartherDAO has been deployed. I encourage developers to review its code (tests here). It uses Governor.sol with minimal changes. It was deployed with a 1-day voting delay, 1-week voting period, and 100k $farther proposal threshold. If I don't receive any messages alerting me to bugs or concerns about the initial parameters, I will send all the treasury funds (except the founder allocation) to it one week from today.
The founder allocation is also being streamed by Sablier, linearly vesting until August 2026.
In the event that the community decides to burn the treasury tokens to remove them from future circulation and wants the same done with the founder allocation, I will do so.
Anyone who knows me knows I'm obsessed with Farcaster and want to do everything possible to help make it succeed. I'm hoping Farther can still be a part of that.
Huge thank you to everyone who believed in this project, especially those of you who have given positive feedback and encouragement along the way.
If not, the founder allocation can remain available for someone interested in taking over the project. I'm open to purchase offers that would include all the assets (github repo, database, domain, @farther account, etc).
In the meantime, I can help orchestrate any proposals & votes on how to move forward. I can also post token-gated polls in the channel.
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Its very interesting how large factions of both optimists and skeptics continue to believe AI is "just a tool" and can't/won't replace us. Its literally making advanced discoveries. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01523-z
AI is without contest the biggest technology shit of all of our lives. Everything is going to change. Much more than everyone thinks
what is something you think will change bc of AI that most people are not thinking?
Relationships, education
Hey Giga! You wrote an article about farther before, which included experiences and reasons for failure. I can't find the link to it, if you still have it, can u please share it with me. Thanks!
This one? https://warpcast.com/farther/0x3bbe8fc9
I think that's it! but the frame doesn't work. Can you give a direct link on paragraph?
https://x.com/tokteacher/status/1923729961946579252?s=46 The way I understand it is that it’s using gradient descent to optimize the process or said in another way.
"It's fascinating to observe how AI's capabilities are evolving. While many still view it as merely a tool, its role in making advanced discoveries suggests a shift towards a more autonomous contributor in various fields.
August claims are now live on Sablier. As mentioned earlier, they vest for 30 days. The stream must be initiated by you, which you can access by following the link from your profile page.
So I actually really like this stream thing. This is the first I’ve ever seen it. Thanks for showing me something new and cool.
My pleasure! Its really underrated.
ma'am is it safe?
Is it fully safe ma'am ?
It is safe?
Never any guarantees when it comes to smart contracts, but the team is very respected and the protocol has been audited by multiple firms: https://github.com/sablier-labs/audits
bros asking the real questions
What happens after the 30 days? Do I need to go back on Sablier to claim them? Or how does it work? Thanks!
You can withdraw at any time, but since it streams/vests at a continuous rate you will only be able to withdraw whatever has vested when you withdraw. It will reach the full amount by the 30th day after you initiate it.
Ah ok, thanks!
Sorry, but I am super disoriented on the Sablier interface. What button would we need to click to withdraw when the time comes? Thanks!
Vesting had to be done immediately, although it should have been taken over a shorter period of time, within a month or two
my previous wallet got compromised and drained, then i had it changed on warpcast, the address i used for eligibility in tipping was this same one but now i’m being told i can’t access the rewards, that i have to use the compromised one to do so. how can i fix this please?
I'm not sure how the process works exactly, but the stream can be transferred to a different wallet. You will likely need to initiate it with the compromised wallet, then transfer. Stream links: https://app.sablier.com/airstream/0x9cbfe66ef22702cb213c49af4ec633f898689c2a-8453 https://app.sablier.com/airstream/0xde016f22177914979b49cbae00c5c1849ddb0ec0-8453 If you need help, the sablier team is really responsive in discord: https://discord.gg/MjVdMtz2
wasted my time and money to claim only $3 noice!
Such a scam
Is there a demo how to do it?
When you go to the page, connect your wallet & click this 'check eligibility' purple box. I can post a video if needed.
Thanks @farther Do we disconnect after streaming starts?
bull shit It's not safe
Scam?
The stream claim was very smooth.
I'll try it!!
Anyone dares to explain why I have to wait for 30 days to claim my 2 dollars?... ain't punishment enough? I just want to claim the full amount and move on ... Its like waiting for a slow death.
I think the idea was to keep the price a little bit more "stable". But it just keeps sinking
No one got time for this BS stability .. all these coins are going to new lows and there is no stopping
I committed to doing this when I was still holding on to hope that I could fix/replace the economic model of tipping allowances. But then when I tried to restrict tip trading, many people freaked out and sold. That resulted in even less time to better system. Explained it all here: https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/the-next-chapter?referrer=0x97e3b75b2eebcc722b504851416e1410b32180a3
I was one of the very few who still held it down but the fact that YOU didn't listen to anyone and kept on bulldozing and micromanaging how people do things and slowly changing the rules of engagement. By throwing all kinds of curveballs in one season was the straw that broke the camel's back. You might have the best ideas but they were extremely rushed with no consent.. don't blame anyone for selling as we even suggested lock in tokens for allowance to prevent the bleed but of course you ignored that too as you said it is not efficient. The project is dead so it's time to move on and instead of holding tokens hostage with this stream thing just let people claim it right away... I don't get why we all have to wait for the full amount in a month. And yes I read that " The next chapter " and I sold immediately... You just don't listen to anyone and to me that's not leadership. Best of luck on any future project you got down the pipeline.
And my streak is in farther channel 💩😅
Yes trueeeee, and we don't know sablier safe or not safe , price hard down and he make rules hard again. I'm confused 😂
so sorry Chalie. Farther is shit.
dailyart dailydrawing #3727 . geometric blood drawn
🍖 x 500
5000 $FARTHER
thank you . unfortunately farther shut down today . https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/the-next-chapter?referrer=0x97e3b75b2eebcc722b504851416e1410b32180a3
O, I guess they paused them already
yes . 😅 . but i do appreciate the gesture . 🙏🏼
🍖x300
Oops
i guess we’re done here 😅 https://paragraph.xyz/@farther/the-next-chapter