One of the biggest challenges of working in crypto and around onchain apps is the constant propulsion to find the next new thing. Fads come and go as the swarm of attention moves elsewhere.
For a long time, I kept memecoins at armâs length. I was dismissive â a common reaction to not understanding something.
But as weâve been discussing unique ways we could help writers build relationships with their readers and make money on Paragraph, it's been hard to totally ignore memecoins. Then, I finally got around to watching Murad's presentation on memecoins from TOKEN2049.
Murad's insights into why memecoins outperformed in 2024 are super compelling. But what struck me most were his frameworks for understanding why the motivations behind why people were investing in memecoins. We saw these same types of motivations in more âtraditionalâ media, across Hulu, Crunchyroll, HBO, and Substack â those same basic motivations are what drove people to become fans of brands, shows, writers / creators, and so on.
One of the key points Murad makes is that retain investors don't care about the software behind blockchains, onchain apps and products, or any crypto project. They mostly care about making money, but also having fun and wanting to be a part of something.
I love how Murad breaks these motivations down into specific percentages (e.g., 70% of their motivation is driven by wanting to make money). Peopleâs decisions are driven by a mix of motivations. People make decisions for a mix of reasons. If you're building a product â a SaaS / enterprise product, a consumer app, a newsletter, paintings â one of the most important things to do is develop a deep understanding of why people are buying your product, which is often a mix of various reasons.
Hyper-speculation and the desire to make money are undeniably powerful forces in crypto. But as someone building products in this space, I get nervous when financial gain is the only motivator. It feels too zero-sum, like a house of cards waiting to collapse.
That's why I found it especially compelling that Murad introduces motivations beyond purely seeking financial gain: fun & community.
Taking this a step further, Murad offers several ways memecoins provide utility. This is where things really click for me â these are all the reasons why people fall in love with anime shows or the Crunchyroll brand, writers or pieces of writing on Substack, and IP universes like Game of Thrones, Marvel, or Star Wars.
These elements of value helped me understand why people would invest in (buy? participate in?) memecoins. It's a helpful framing for clearly separating out the more software-driven altcoins vs. media- / community-driven memecoins. To be successful, memecoins don't need intrinsic cash flow or revenue share to satisfy investors â they're providing "services", like buying a ticket to a movie.
Now, you could easily make the argument that people aren't driven by the desire to make money when they buy tickets to movies, subscriptions to streaming services & Substacks, and so on. Yes, true, but I think introducing the desire for fans to make money could actually lead to some really interesting creative projects, works of art, and new worlds & forms of media.
And perhaps just a larger economy for creative work â wouldn't that be cool?
This is ultimately why I think that percentage allocation across motivations is important. If people invest in memecoins purely for financial gain, many will lose interest quickly; but if they see memecoins as a way to make friends, express themselves, or support ideas they care about, the memecoin cycle / trend becomes more durable â and far more intriguing.
A quick aside: I've been thinking about how memecoins might be part of a broader shift in how younger generations approach "investing".
My parents & other boomers were all about buying a house, the 60/40 portfolio split, and were pretty skeptical of businesses that didn't generate nearly-immediate profits. My generation was among the first to deeply embrace growth stocks, cryptocurrencies, and other riskier alternative investments. Now, younger generations seem to be leaning even harder into asymmetric bets.
With inflation driving up costs and affordability declining, the difference between a $1,000 and $2,000 net worth feels negligible. But the possibility of turning $1,000 into $100,000? Thatâs deeply compelling.
This is one of Murad's central points in why memecoins have outperformed altcoins: memecoins enable poor HODLâs to get rich, turning them into unpaid evangelists; altcoins only allow a small group of insiders to make money at the expense of "retail" investors.
Don't get me wrong â I still think chasing 100x returns investing in memecoins is incredibly risky and, echoing from above, on of my main concerns is that those purely seeking financial gain are building a house of cards.
What do you think? Are memecoins here to stay? Where do you see product opportunities, if any, to support the continued growth of memecoins (? What do you think of Fred Wilson's "provocation" below?
TikTok turns all videos into memecoins that can be traded on decentralized exchanges all over the world.
For anyone skeptical of memecoins, but open-minded, I highly recommend checking out Murad's presentation. It introduced me to a new way of thinking about memecoins and ultimately made me much more optimistic about their durability â maybe it'll do the same for you.
Talk soon,
Reid
Reid DeRamus
yet to read a convincing case for memecoin utility and it's been a while now since memecoin mania resumed afresh. are we all just lying to ourselves to pump the bags?
What about the original write up for higher?
oh i must have missed that. point me in the right direction?
I think it was @lght.eth https://paragraph.xyz/api/metrics/email-track/click?id=jIQ1awgaIIzBVSp11sM7&linkId=07c79370-7a25-46d5-a8cd-34d90a535d56&url=https%3A%2F%2Fparagraph.xyz%2F%40thenetworkcompany%2Fmatrix but on mirror (canât find it now. Need to check my notion)
I'm still in your camp, but I tried to convince myself otherwise: https://paragraph.xyz/@reidtandy/on-memecoins-from-a-skeptic I really do think Murad's presentation is top notch. Don't agree with everything in there, but helped me better understand why some folks (lots of my friends!) have gotten swept up w/ memecoins.
Semi-regular Paragraph annoyances thread: If you could change one thing about Paragraph, what would it be?
As a reader I will head to paragraph website to find a publication. eg /thefalsenine I can never seem to find it unless I login. Can you make that a featured publication on home page. Would be super helpful. đ Seriously. I canât easily find stuff to read when I know what I want & when I donât know. Keep going. Big fan of @paragraph more of a reader than a writer.
Thank you for the feedback! /thefalsenine is a featured publication on Paragraph, so you should see them under "Featured Publications" on https://paragraph.xyz/home. You do need to be logged in â we could think about how to make the discovery feed open to non-logged-in folks. But I actually think a better way to go about this may be to find ways to keep people logged in more easily. If you're logged in, you should see posts from /thefalsenine & tons of other amazing writers on Paragraph on the feed: https://paragraph.xyz/home. We're always thinking about how we can drive better in-product discovery & have a lot of room for improvement â any specific ideas or suggestions would be much appreciated!
You are correct. I stand corrected. 19 clicks to find itâïž
Why did you guys discontinue the article token-gating feature?
Low usage, high maintenance, not a 10X better improvement than existing solutions. It wasnât how we were going to find product market fit
makes sense what are your top priorities now?
Better search functions of past blog posts
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I already reported some issues that have not been addressed yet. * Scheduling a new post in the new UI has no feedback upon click and it still might happen that I click "Post Now" after scheduling because the interface tricks me into behaving iratic. * On Android Chrome with a dark background in the blog, the phones control buttons have a white background. * Disabling collectables globally does not disable collectables when creating new posts ever since the new UI. Every week I have to manually disable collectables in my new posts.
I miss token gating. Tbh I don't really get how Paragraph is different from substack et all on the web3 dimension other than pieces getting parked on ARweave in perpetuity
What do you miss about token-gating? We loved token-gating as a way to carve out differentiation, but it got very little usage (by readers *and* writers), and generated a large wave of consistent maintenance & issues. Still trying to figure out why & what we could have done differently... very possible we re-introduce it down the road.
I didn't get to the point where I was actually ready to use it tbh . I had an aspiration to use it as a way to have an inner circle for meetups and the like. Big daydream was a sort of revolutionary era tavern of sorts. So perhaps not the most helpful feedback since it was more an inchoate idea I was excited to run a few experiments down the road with rather than something super clear that I knew what to do with or was actively using.
Already had a reply from this but looking forward to updates! https://warpcast.com/samanthaeharvey/0x5cb2eb75 https://warpcast.com/reidtandy/0x434ef159
After clicking into an article (or while looking at an author's publications), there does not appear to be a quick way to get back to @paragraph "Home." One can get there via "Dashboard" and another click but wondering if there's a simpler way · đ đ”
This is already solved on the new blog/post pages. Iâll DM you to try it out
If you donât like the âmake moneyâ consumer value prop for Farcasterâwhat do you think is better? Reply with a suggestion and rationale. Like replies that resonate.
i prefer the earlier messaging, something closer to farcaster is an economy... etc. which is closer to what @horsefacts.eth casted, make money..with a lot of nuance as to how b/c the current messaging implies solely trading alpha or rewards
Intellectually, I agree. But consumers arenât looking for a new economyâŠ
đ yeah, i understand why you are running the current experiment!
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best tech is price go upđ
Agree with the rationale. But how do you boil this down to a simple enough message? "With a lot of nuance as to how" does not paint a clear picture in my mind the way "make money" does, even though that picture is trading alpha / rewards.
i like these replies https://warpcast.com/whimsi.eth/0x69f33722 https://warpcast.com/links/0x9d26aee1 https://warpcast.com/kdaniels.eth/0xdfe57578
Your posts. Your friends. Your network. Finally social for users. By users. Be your network.
I like the aesthetic. What if your friends arenât on it yet?
Tie in channels as way to build up communities. Get groups of common interests to join. Maybe target fb groups unhappy with recent changes there. Build of dissatisfaction of ZuckMusk.
I like this also đ
Best one âïž
Cool phrasing
I know it's still early for channels but that's where all my thinking goes. "Communities with ownership" "Cooperative communities" Something about having your own governance, your own moderation, your own audience that can't get taken away.
I think thereâs a difference between âmake moneyâ and âget richâ Iâm referencing Chip Wars - the book - where thereâs a difference where people are trying to make a living vs make a life changing sums of money by doing xyz and it changes the behavior and urgency
make money with friends
community for seeking crypto alpha
I'm not sure what "most people" like. For me it was the sense that this thing here is hackable, that I can make it do things it was not "designed for".
BTW, every one or nine in 1/9/90 uses more than one social apps, because they have more than one social networks (personal, professional, interest-based, etc.). How do you pitch a new restaurant? A new bar? https://blog.vrypan.net/2013/07/11/they-are-social-places-not-networks/ For me Farcaster is the only crypto-friendly network. Maybe this should be the pitch.
I like the take rate messaging. Facebook earns 198 billion and creators that make the network earn 2 billion. YouTube 170 and 30. We can do better. Imagine a world where those numbers are flipped. Where the creators earn. What could they do? What would such a world look like? Thereâs a lot of work to synthesize that idea down to bite sized deliverables and prob a fun thing to do with ChatGPT when I wake up but yeah. Here is to me where Farcaster can make its mark.
agree
Some ideas: Make money with friends. Profitable connecting. Get rich AND find your niche. FC = Network + Net worth. Build your Audience, Wealth, & Network. The future of social and crypto, now.
Re: why no other FC apps: My take is that folks are/were reluctant to spam their social media app feed (aka Warpcast) with casts for another app that might only make sense that for that app (eg something extremely noisy like a chat room or game). Clout building in WC hindered creativity for what to make with casts.
I've been trying to better understand memecoins and why people are drawn to them, and how that could become a durable, rising wave over time. I still don't quite get it & still foggy on how some of this manifests into "products" (at least beyond making it super easy to launch a memecoin and exchanges to buy / sell memecoins), so I'd love to hear feedback! https://paragraph.xyz/@reidtandy/on-memecoins-from-a-skeptic
https://warpcast.com/kyletut/0x75509da7
It's true & kinda hilarious.
If we jump forward 10 years will any meme coin outperform btc or eth? And what Iâve been wondering for years. Will Doge one day go to zero / majorly collapse? Or is it here to stay indefinitely?
I think there's a very reasonable chance a few memecoins outperform BTC & ETH over the next decade. BUT, the vast majority of memecoins won't take off or will flame out back toward 0. I'm thinking it'll be kind of like other pockets of media: there are only a few musicians / bands, TV shows / movies, gaming franchises that truly breakout and become enormous.
I donât mean a coin valued at 1 today thatâs so cheap that it can obviously grow more percentage wise. But letâs say doge or any of the top 10 meme coins today. Can they really self sustain long term?
Yeah Iâm in this camp, and think your âclosing ramblingsâ on generational shifts in investing are probably more relevant than the idea that memecoins offer some sort of social utility Still feel like itâs a technology thatâs waiting for its breakout use case
For sure... like if you go up one level from the "memecoin supercycle", understanding that a primary motivator is for people to make money, it's interesting to think about the broader wave that can build around a younger generation's unique approach to investing, using money, etc.
I too was (and maybe still am) optimistically skeptical about memecoins, but I think they have the potential to totally change how we think about community building. If you view them beyond pure financial speculation, they become something entirely new: tools for community-driven funding and social-first financial experiences that feel more like joining a movement than using a financial product.
Totally - that's the part I'd like to spend some time brainstorming / imagining how this comes to fruition. Like how does this show up in products we use, IRL, etc. I remember a few years ago there was a lot of hype around "creator tokens". The memecoin waves feels more powerful and sustainable that that, so curious to see where it goes...
I wrote a full-throated defense of memecoins that you might find interesting. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-memecoins-matter-213328434.html I tried to sketch out where I think itâs all headed. Goes beyond Muradâs presentation and introduces some new concepts like PolicyFi.
This is excellent stuff - thanks for sharing. Another recent example of the positive impacts of memecoins: https://x.com/blader/status/1872302462629286220?s=46
Memecoins are a powerful tool for aggregating viral capital. How we direct that superpower is entirely up to us.