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If you're following me on Farcaster you may have noticed that I've been less active there lately. I have been quite busy with my day job, but more importantly, I have been a bit burnt out by all the attention farming that has come with the $DEGEN airdrop 2. Originally I didn't want to write about it, as I think it's blatantly obvious what is happening and maybe set up this way by design, but now I'm no longer so certain so I'll put my thoughts into a post.
What prompted me to write this post is I just listened to the GM Farcaster interview with Jacek and attention farming didn't come up once, even though there were extensive conversations about other types of farming, about spam, about increasing the quality of tipping, and so on. So maybe people are not fully aware of the dynamic that has been playing out on Farcaster for the last couple of weeks. Therefore, let me describe what I mean by attention farming, why I think it's bad, and what can be done to reduce the incentive to engage in it.
I define attention farming as the behavior of deliberately using your $DEGEN tip allocation to increase interactions with your casts with the goal of increasing your $DEGEN tip allocation. This is different from regular $DEGEN farming as the primary goal here is not to receive more $DEGEN tips (though this may happen as a side-effect) but rather to receive more attention and a larger tip allocation. Almost everybody who has or has had a meaningful $DEGEN allocation has engaged in it, including myself.
These farming casts generally have the form of asking for a specific behavior in return for $DEGEN. A common example is a contest: "Reply with your best meme about coffee. 5000 $DEGEN for the tree top responses." Another common example is a cast that rewards all responses: "Reply with your current works in progress. 200 $DEGEN for all on-topic responses." It seems obvious to me that many people have figured out that these casts generate so much engagement that they meaningfully raise one's ranking and thus $DEGEN allocations, and therefore spending the $DEGEN allocation on this type of cast is the most rational thing anybody can do. Moreover, and this is particularly insidious, for somebody with a large daily allocation it can be difficult to give away the entire allocation every day. Therefore, farming casts may seem like the most fair or most constructive way of dealing with this situation.
Now you may wonder how attention farming differs from regular marketing. What's the difference if I run a contest and reward the best responses with, for example, USDC or ETH? I see at least two differences. First, marketing expenses come with a real opportunity cost. I have to decide whether I want to spend my USDC on marketing or on something else. Such opportunity costs make marketing efforts self-limiting. People are not going to give away thousands of dollars left and right for a few likes. Second, marketing expenses don't directly increase revenue unless there's an actual product in the middle that people want to buy and spend money on. I can't spend money to buy attention and immediately make more money on that attention. The real economy doesn't work this way. But in the context of an airdrop, where the tokens are made up and somebody else foots the bill, I can use my token allocation to generate attention to increase my token allocation and round and round it goes.
Attention farming is not airdrop farming in the traditional sense. It is also not typically spam. Some of it presents as desirable content for the platform, increasing overal platform engagement. Nevertheless, I believe it's not desirable when a large fraction of Farcaster traffic turns into attention farming fueled by $DEGEN.
What are the problems? First, it fills up the feed with tons of "do XYZ for $DEGEN" posts. I don't mind those in principle, but I would want to see them only occasionally. When they take over the feed then the site becomes useless for anybody who is not primarily interested in maximizing their $DEGEN tips. Second, in the same vein, the farming posts usually get the most attention in any channel in which they are posted, so it's difficult for other content to rise to the top. This makes Farcaster less attractive for other users to post their content. Why should I put effort into carefully crafting art or blogposts or videos or whatever it is I'm doing when I know my posts won't be visible against the backdrop of attention-farming posts? Third, sufficiently many accounts engage in farming that if you want to have a meaningful $DEGEN allocation for tipping you have to engage in the behavior as well. So again, this is a self-reinforcing mechanism that increases the amount of farming at the expense of other interesting content.
I like the $DEGEN tipping mechanism and I would like to see it continue for some time, but without turning all of Farcaster into a useless morass of attention farming. So let me make two suggestions that are easy to implement and that I believe will lead to a meaningful improvement in tipping culture.
First, the tip allocation curve that determines who receives what allocation should be much flatter. People who are active members of the Farcaster community should not be given a strong incentive to use their $DEGEN tip allocation specifically to farm attention to get a larger allocation. For example, all accounts with the power badge could receive the same allocation. I know this suggestion will get push-back from the accounts that currently benefit the most from high $DEGEN allocations, but I am strongly convinced it's the best way to incentivize interesting content over attention farming.
Second, I think the time window for allocations should be longer. Instead of turning over allocations every day, make them turn over only once week. (Everybody is given their tip allocation at the beginning of the week and then has the full week to give it out.) In part, this would counter-act one issue from my first point which is that nobody would have very large allocations. People who wanted to make larger tips could do so maybe once a week, rather than every day. I think this would be good for many reasons, including the previously mentioned difficulty of having to give away large amounts of $DEGEN on a daily basis. Doing this once a week is much more manageable and can still be very meaningful.
I'm sure this post will be contentious, and people will find all sorts of reasons why what I'm suggesting is bad and a strong culture of attention farming is good. Some may argue that channels can forbid this behavior. (This is correct, and /art does, for example.) I'm happy to listen to these arguments, and I'll keep an open mind, but I find it doubtful that I'll change my perspective. I would much rather see less incentive for farming overall than the majority of channels having to implement specific moderation policies. And I'd also rather see the occasional give away or contest than forbidding these types of posts outright.
Claus Wilke
I have read the entire paper and I wholeheartedly agree. Here's my experience! I recently started a channel with a friend on the theme of cats (a topic we are legit for, I should add), and one of the methods we launched today is precisely the method criticized in the article. We don't employ this method because we're evil, but because the system encourages this kind of behavior, and I feel like I have no choice if we want to gain visibility, as those who farm extensively hog attention illegitimately. Furthermore, they then use this attention to sell hundreds of editions of works, which, allow me to judge, are sometime poor artistic and/or technical quality. For artists like my friend and me who work hard to produce good quality art, it's very difficult to live alongside these people who profit from people's gullibility at stratospheric levels. We must stop this as soon as possible, I implore you, because deeply, I assure you that I would prefer not to have to do that, so yes !!! Flattened that god damn curve !
The Degen tip allowance is proportionally scaled across all users. So yes, the bigger accounts will receive a bigger proportion, and can use it to get more the next day. Also, as Degen holders increase, that means less allowance proportionally for everybody.
You seem to get it right, Ryan It was already my concern a few days ago. 100 $degen https://warpcast.com/theonlycakeone/0xe8cf8a7e
I'm not a big fan. I think the cap is a good idea, but: should be 3 or 4x higher, and accounts that don't tip regularly should receive less (there's lots of popular people getting allowances they don't use)
I agree I would also suggest banning any kind of Money Gun. But that's probably an unpopular opinion.
It became pvp when allo got slashed 20x. If there was enough to go around, the rat race to the top wouldn't be as important. They reduced them too much imho.
Thanks for the insight! I think maybe the additional users per day is something I wasn’t thinking about enough. 20 $degen 🍖 x 50
Welp it's only people with 10k Degen , I wonder how many of those there are given that tipping is dying off... I should check
Anecdotally, I looked at imthedude and ace (big tippers) just now, and their allowances appear to be trending down (based on jacek’s Dune query). So maybe my hypothesis is disproven.
There were calls to "flatten the curve" and reduce the disparity but seems plans to do so were shelved? I still think it would be a great idea. https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming
Interested to hear where the discussion regarding possibly flattening and expanding the allocation window is for next season. I think changing up the game will be fun and interesting! from @clauswilke https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming?referrer=0xab3627317c43d394eb171170f818153b976d28a3
Nice one 🙌 69 $degen
interested in how the right most allocation curve would play out
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and changing what??
read the article?
yes tnx
The 40% cut in DEGEN daily allowance is overall a net positive. It's very difficult to meaningfully distribute as many tips as what was being allocated to top accounts. The reduction challenges me to evolve my strategy and makes me more intentional about what I'm tipping. One step back for two steps forward.
But does it make sense for the smaller accounts too?
Yup. The people who take to the challenge will do great and do great things. People who can't adapt are gonna have a bad time. It will keep changing; none of us have ever done this before.
of course 🫶🏻🌟
yes its totaly disapointed
I like the positive energy sir and agreed 🤝
100% agree. Furthermore we all knew this was coming, all part of the plan.
Right 💯
Good idea
Pretty simple imo, either we fix the system so that everyone benefits as much as possible, or the system fails and none of us benefit Doesn’t seem like a tough choice tbh
400 $degen
which system are we talking about?
Was wondering this same thing
Well, when you put it that way! On the other hand, some people would rather watch the world (the purple app) burn rather than implement those kinda changes. Sighh
https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming?referrer=0xab3627317c43d394eb171170f818153b976d28a3
the road is hard but we must show the right ways here.
Nah bro I’m with you. Everyone or nobody
Maybe we should address this issue with extra quality metrics. I'm fine with people receiving more if they consistently produce great content, but I'm not okay with seeing click farmers with low enforcement or giveaway spammers getting a large share just to dump it on the next claim It’s hard to accomplish but worth
We do what crypto people and break that mfer down!!
Facts. But you'll see a lot of people complaining with that change 🤔 🤔
They will complain either way
I hope we all move to vote towards the purple app's longevity. See you around my friend, GN!
Having the responsibility to distribute tips should also help show others the light in terms of engaging with quality content. It’s always different when you experience the other side 🤝
Top $degen allo accounts coming to terms with the proposal to nuke our allocations in favor of a more equitable distribution
where is the convo?
where isthis info?
written by @clauswilke https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming?referrer=0xab3627317c43d394eb171170f818153b976d28a3
thank you so much
i will keep you warm
I know how this scene ends. I am not a top allo but I volunteer as tribute for the middle position in the sandwich. Credentials: I am not picky about bread or toppings.
I think these could be really good changes
Same tbh
😂😂😂
“No one man should have all that power” 🎤🎶
Cut it in half they said 😭😭😭
Where can I read more info about the proposal?
They didn’t have to do my 1800 like that bro 😭😂 100 $DEGEN
This is a very accurate assessment of the engagement farming on here and how to solve it, written by @clauswilke https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming?referrer=0xab3627317c43d394eb171170f818153b976d28a3
interesting point, mostly agree, thanks for share Stella😊 420 $DEGEN
thanks 😊
what's nice about the current process is that it's more democratic. If we gave less allocations then what would happen is gated communities. Important "voices" blessing only one or two peeps or only their favorite creators. So that's probably worse IMO
flatter curve means more for everyone imo
Ahhhhh...
Very interesting reading, Stella. 🖤 Thanks for sharing it! Every day I learn something new thanks to you, literally. ✊ 100 $DEGEN
Right on point, hopefully the devs will make the necessary changes.
@wake seems very interested in it
More importantly, the community is /very/ interested in it and on board with the recommendations. I'll let the convo simmer a bit, then send it up the ladder to degen daddy.
fully believe these proposed shifts will bring about a more sustainable + approachable tipping experience. remove rank, level the field, give us a week long allowance. let’s all get back to tipping great casts. https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming
https://warpcast.com/mbranson/0xfa69a81f
worth reading!
Seeing this article by @clauswilke make the rounds, even being recast by WC devs. What do you all think of these suggestions? Flattening the distribution curve and stretching the tipping period are wise tweaks imho and will make this space more sustainable. https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming
good reply from Xerox down here. im all in for the flattening, maybe a week is long, perhaps 3 days. idk. i might be addicted at this point so ill still be warping and casting 350 $degen
I like the idea of taking days off from posting in general and not have it grossly affect your tip allowances tbh, but maybe it is too long of a period.
this is what I really need. I get addicted quickly... I need to be able to just don't do stuff and don't be punished for it. That being said, 333 $degen for you 🖤
I'm so happy to be seeing a lot of this talk on WC today. Feels amazing that ppl are really interested in making the system work for everybody. FUCK THE ALGO FARMERS 😝
Yes I 💯💯 agree! It will make the app much more attractive to non-degens, which is essential if we want our degens to keep growinf
I think the fact the Degen admirations & promoting the article & asking opinions is the most positive aspect of this. Seeing this in my feed have me more confidence in the longevity of the app
Same it was hella refreshing to see this discussion and even Wake’s response to the gamified aspects of WC has got me bullish
I probably won't understand the article & graphs but I lost 1/2 of my tips allowance overnight and idk why. it's ok but I feel that the psychological element of the energy & uncertainty needs to be addressed for long term success/any improvement & consideration of effect is a good idea imo✅
Everyone had a 40% tip reduction across the board due to algo changes. But in general I agree, the daily fluctuations in tips can get stressful
Bookmarked for later will see how much i can grasp ✅
good article! agree with lots of points. it's sad to need these kind of tricks to have a big allowance, heh.
very interesting!
looking forward to reading this. thanks 150 $degen
How are you not an FC/WC + $degen maxi after years of creating value on social media and having no share in the value you are making? We are at a historic crossroads; let's not fuck this up! @clauswilke wrote this gem on "attention farming" that deserves a read. https://paragraph.xyz/@clauswilke/attention-farming
Yep! He nailed it when he said we all do it to an extent, but there needs to be a balance. Folks won't police themselves so changes like @clauswilke recommends are necessary. I'd add maybe a max tip per cast (can't put more than 2.5k) I shared ideas in the past... https://warpcast.com/inceptionally/0xea99c453
my followup suggestion for "better content" was probably the hardest but coolest innovation... https://warpcast.com/inceptionally/0xaa981737
Nice read! Agree on this we have to avoid attention farming, otherwise here will turn into X!
Yup, read this yesterday and it’s a great discussion of engagement farming and possible solutions. Let’s hope we move forward in the best way for everyone