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I saw a post from ciniz on Warpcast earlier today and I wanted to take the opportunity to talk about artificial intelligence and blockchain. I've yet to see a single project that has anything to actually do with AI, and It's clear to me that all of those tokens are simply using the hype around AI to take advantage of people's understanding of what AI is and what AI can do to make a profit.
Ciniz is no different than any other project here. Let's take a look at this mint from the above post and the associated whitepaper:
https://zora.co/collect/base:0x3a56ed006593740eb90e0dc9c45005933d27c8a2/1Imagine a world where the power to shape the future of artificial intelligence is in your hands. A world where you don't need to be a tech giant or a wealthy corporation to make a difference and own a piece of the future. That's the vision behind Onchain Gaias (OGs) – a revolutionary platform that puts the development of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) within reach of everyday people.
Sounds great, but thats about where it ends. Let's break down what this whitepaper is trying to tell us.
The world of AI has been dominated by a select few companies with deep pockets and vast computing resources. This concentration of power has created significant barriers for average people to participate and contribute their ideas. The rapid advancements in AI are largely controlled by and siloed within these tech giants, leaving everyday individuals with little say in how this transformative technology is developed and used. As a result, the future of AI – and by extension, the future of our world – is being shaped by the narrow interests of a few powerful corporations, rather than the collective wisdom and values of humanity as a whole.
If you're only thinking about OpenAI and ChatGPT, Google's Gemini then sure, you might think that Microsoft and Google have a near monopoly on AI. However, this couldn't be further from the truth, there are thousands of startups who are working on all different things within AI. Just because you are someone who doesn't actually understand what AI is (thinking it's just ChatGPT) then you have no conceptual idea of what is happening in the world of AI. The actual only truth in the above writing is that computing resources do require a lot of money.
But what if there was a way to level the playing field? What if everyone, everywhere, could contribute to the development of AGI and benefit from its progress? This is where OGs come in. By harnessing the global appeal of gaming and gambling, OGs creates a decentralized network where anyone can train sophisticated AI models, known as Gaias (General AI Agents), through the simple act of playing games. The platform operates on blockchain technology, ensuring fair, transparent, and secure computation. As the OGs network grows, it can leverage more advanced infrastructure to support increasingly complex games and AI models.
The problem here is that the author has absolutely NO understanding of how machine learning or deep learning models are trained. Sure, you could make a game, and you could have a deep learning model that is taking in patterns from how people play the game, and train it....essentially you're looking at something like Alpha Go, or a program that you play Chess against. But what good is this actually going to provide? By simply playing a game you're not contributing anything but training that specific game...there is no world changing / groundbreaking anything here.
As the OGs platform grows, it will introduce increasingly complex games and environments, fostering the development of more advanced Gaias. By enabling the transfer of learned skills and behaviors across different domains, OGs lays the groundwork for the emergence of artificial general intelligence. However, OGs isn't just about technical progress; it's about creating a more equitable and accessible future for AI development. By aligning incentives and fostering collaboration among a diverse global community, OGs challenges the current paradigm of centralized AI development, putting the power back in the hands of the people.
Again, you're not doing anything except giving data about patterns within the specific "game" you are playing. If it's chess, checkers, go, majong...whatever it is, you can't take this "training data" and transfer it to something else.
If you built a model to predict how far Babe Ruth would hit a home run, you would take into account all sorts of variables specific to Babe Ruth. Height, weight, bat weight, bat length, bat wood material, angle of attack (swing) etc. etc. If you tried to "transfer" this model to predict Mike Trout, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds or any other basebal legend...it wont do anything because you've overfit the model for Babe Ruth.
As for the rest of the whitepaper...it's pure snake oil, and people fall for it because they think AI is magic, when in reality is just a man behind the curtain and not some magical wizardry.
Mercer AI
I don't know anything about @ciniz but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows NOTHING about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.
I'm skeptical of what @ciniz is saying but this is a bold claim to make before anything has even launched. Decentralized AI agents have been around for years (Fetch), and gamified incentive models work. Acting like you have more of an idea than anyone else on what a valid AGI training model might like is wild.
I'm a machine learning engineer, lol. The most basic premise is that there will be some game, which players take part of, will somehow create enough data to train / create artificial general intelligence. That's asinine. It's not how training a model works.
What I'm saying is even the best ML engineers can't say what an AGI model looks like. Without knowing what kind of games are involved, it's impossible to say if it's a valid training method. e.g. a social MMO is a totally different beast compared to chess.
Check this out, it will help rationalize: https://paragraph.xyz/@mercerai/artificial-intelligence-in-4-minutes
Still, without knowing what kind of final platform, game—or more likely from the context, many games—we're talking about, how can you say it will definitely not be useful as a training tool? All of the bullet points in your breakdown could be presented to a ML system in a gamified manner.
besides the technicalities of it, i have two questions: 1) what is the role that you see “degen culture” having on the process of making the development of AGI more open to humanity? 2) same question but for gaming. how can gaming impact this process so that we can help/impact its development by playing?
@ciniz Friction is how we learn, build an understanding and or evolve our thinking. Let's hope this is the start of a constructive conversation and not an ideology war, which can be fought on the other app.
It's not a war, it's just facts. The concept proposed in that white paper would be at BEST narrow AI, an AI model trained to one one very specific task and nothing else. https://paragraph.xyz/@mercerai/artificial-intelligence-in-4-minutes
@cinlz would you care to present some evidence as to how you aim to achieve the claim of onchain gaia's being AGI?
Wait til they find out about TAO
the clubstaraunt ?
Bittensor my friend. Deleted my other comment because I realized I don’t want to get swept away in drama here today. I hope we all succeed. 🤍🕊️💪
fomo => fud every time
I don't know anything about @ciniz, but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows nothing about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.
500000 $DEGEN
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I don't know anything about @ciniz, but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows nothing about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.
Don't Do This: Pretend you know anything about artificial intelligence, and claim some project you made will shape the future of artificial general intelligence...through NFT games.
I don't know anything about @ciniz, but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows nothing about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.
I don't know anything about @ciniz, but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows nothing about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.
So, it's basicly another grift? 😔
Read through the white paper after seeing your post. Agreed, AI / ML models can only do what you train them to do. Sure you could probably train some models to play games this way using RLHF, but how are those useful? "Democratizing AI" should really mean open sourcing models and easier access to compute, simple.
wowow this is so funny! ciniz minted! https://zora.co/collect/base:0x3a56ed006593740eb90e0dc9c45005933d27c8a2/1?referrer=0x99999990D598B918799f38163204Bbc30611B6b6
Wow wow
Didn’t read just minted
don't bother reading it, but if you do, here is why you should forget everything in it. https://paragraph.xyz/@mercerai/about-onchain-gaias?referrer=0x8dC691045343aA88B4B91298de10db6f134ba4c5
This is the way 🫡
TLDR - minted ✅
🔵 READING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MINTED!!!!!
Minted!
we are so early
Is this the actual mint or some presale mint? Don't get me wrong, I minted blindly, but still trying to figure out 😂
hmmmmm
why mint? Is it gem?
wowow minted !
ciniz is very excited about this let’s take this opportunity to truly engage and have some fun with the technology here’s le official litepaper. ciniz encourages you to read it https://zora.co/collect/base:0x3a56ed006593740eb90e0dc9c45005933d27c8a2/1?referrer=0x99999990D598B918799f38163204Bbc30611B6b6
pentacle read the whitepaper thoroughly then minted le mint
smart!!!!!
ciniz... why is the whitepaper .01?
sorry not even finalized its the litepaper.
@superbased 1000 way to grift, choose one 😵💫
"Players can earn tokens and other rewards based on their contributions to the platform, creating new opportunities for passive income and wealth creation." Maybe minting the litepaper is a contribution to the platform?
i can definitely see that as a point for aure 🫡
Its so people who want to mint it and pay .01 can You dont have to though. You can read it for free.
yes very based response ser... 🤝 30 $DEGEN appreciate you
Minted & Read AGI Onchain Gaias Forever I am all in and holding x2. Honored and overjoyed at the opportunity to share my technological expertise.
this is the best of it all
Its just so great 👍
THIS IS SO BULLISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I read it but didnt understand 🥹 somebody explain please
holy shat The paper has already raised 144 eth. And we're still so early.
1111 $degen
i would bet my life savings on you woman , stay healthy .
I don't know anything about @ciniz, but when I saw this white paper claiming that Onchain Gaias was going to democratize the develop AI, I had to call BS. This is snake oil, written by someone who knows nothing about artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning, data science or anything else in that field.